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Tenth Anniversary Edition

This source mentions that season 20 will be a 10th anniversary edition, meaning it's probably another All-Stars edition. http://www.turnto10.com/jar/news/local/article/survivor_group_wants_hatch_for_anniversary_show/19667/ MarkMc1990 (talk) 21:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have seen several sources that also say this is a "Heros vs. Villains", but all of these stem from the same thing: a forum post from a former castaway (Coby from Survivor: Palau) who was not even asked to compete. If anyone can find a source that it more reputable, please add it. Novelwriter65 (talk) 00:28, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tsumani hit mentions Survivor 20

'Survivor' not harmed by Pacific quake, tsunami, if anyone thinks it is worth a note here. Tarc (talk) 12:27, 30 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not much to add there. The show wasn't filming at the time and wasn't affected. No new information was presented in the article. I think we can skip mention of it. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:48, 1 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

An IP decided to put mention of it in the article, so I changed the reference to this one. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:12, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If it can be sourced properly, the destruction of the ponderosa site may be notable. How does realityblurred.com stack up? Tarc (talk) 18:35, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heroes vs Villains

I just updated the article thanks to a source now referenced, but had a sudden afterthought... we should probably wait for CBS to confirm this, right? —tdltrombonator 09:04, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that we should wait before moving the article. I have no opinion on changing the text. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 17:13, 7 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with waiting, too. Need some more verification. I changed it. --User101010 (talk) 15:06, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That "Nine" reference was rather flimsy. --User101010 (talk) 15:16, 12 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Why did someone changed everything back to "Survivor 20"??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.251.55.238 (talk) 16:30, 14 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Cast Speculation

I removed the "rumored cast" category on the main article, it is all based on speculation and there has been no official word from CBS about who is participating 82.17.239.90 (talk) 15:03, 11 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Whilst I agree that most speculation without merit shouldn't be posted, the fact that during the reunion they flashed former survivors in frame by frame shots as they introduced the two sides to me is very credible. I think it can be posted as it will end up being announced anyway, in fact, the way they did it is almost a psuedo confirmation. BT14 (talk) 19:34, 21 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, the cast may meet until CBS announce it from the Survivor web site. ApprenticeFan ^{talk contribs} 00:26, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

For one, the shots used on the promo at the end of the reunion show should not be taken as fact - they always use standins there. But it is actually the case that the full cast list (and boot order) has been spoiled and is out there. Not reliably and therefore not for inclusion, but it does exist and we have to be aware of it until mid-Jan when they will be announced. --MASEM (t) 00:44, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is important to remember that variations of the cast list/boot order do exist. They can't all be true. We should wait until CBS confirms it before adding the list. --Meaghan - ^Merry _Christmas! - 01:04, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The only confirmed cast member is Russell Hantz, and thats it. (just so people who are doubting me, I went to a page on a website, I can't remeber the name, but if I find it, i will put a link to it, saying that while most of the cast is unconfirmed, one person is confirmed, which is Russel Hantz, confirmed in an interview with his brother, since he said that Russel did compete in season 20) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.117.101.29 (talk) 22:45, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, since you didn't provide any source for that, it is unconfirmed. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 23:33, 23 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gogo Dodo, I am Looking Around for the page I was talking about. when I do Find it, I Will Provide A Link to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.117.101.29 (talk) 06:11, 24 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The whole cast has been leaked online, and even the boot order and identity of the finalists of the game, it just seems there are no credible sources for it. The people who have revealed it have correctly spoiled other Survivor seasons in past, and the list is fairly easy to find online, but I think we should just wait until CBS confirms it, just incase. :) (Kyleofark (talk) 23:54, 24 December 2009 (UTC))[reply]

Spoilers

Why are there spoilers on this page? I came on here just to see if there was a cast listed and it shows two of the people who made the top 6 and has a projected winner.--Crazy4metallica (talk) 01:57, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Because some anonymous people are trying to add in unsourced, speculative "spoilers". And I put that word in quotes because it all seems to be made up. Every season, these anonymous editors show up and try to "spoil" things. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 05:33, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The spoilers were different than the one I saw a few weeks ago. I don't think they were right. In any event, I removed them. Surtarbb (talk) 02:21, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Additional show

No mention of Surviving Survivor which will air on Feb 4th and will show highlights and updates of past contestants.--Cooly123 19:56, 22 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Has it been announced by CBS, and if so, do you have a source? Also, remember to always sign your posts with four tildas (~). 69.177.115.157 (talk) 18:38, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It is officially airing this week. Also there is no mention of the Tv Guide special for Survivor or for any of their previews for previous series. They should be mentioned as well.--Cooly123 16:42, 2 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Those aren't officially done by CBS, though, and therefore not directly associated with the show. I could see putting "Surviving Survivor" on the main Survivor page, but not on here as it is not directly a part of Heroes vs. Villains. And again, sign your posts! 64.252.32.135 (talk) 17:03, 6 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cast

Here is what I think is the link to the real full cast of Heroes vs Villains:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO9A4DlTKhs&feature=related--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 23:19, 30 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, that isn't a reliable source. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 07:10, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Here we go, then. http://insidetv.aol.com/2009/12/31/survivor-heroes-vs-villains-cast-revealed/ 98.206.60.212 (talk) 21:26, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Now that is a reliable source. Finally. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 22:29, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think the people that are listed there were in tyhe source I gave you.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 21:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

As a suggestion for the article, why doesnt someone do the cast descriptions to tell them what the people did in the time they were in survivor before and tell why they were chosen for the show.--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 21:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

People can click on the links to the previous seasons to find out how these players did. But as to "why" they were picked, that's information only CBS/Mark Burnett Productions know, and thus they'd either have to say this or we'd be engaging in speculation. --MASEM (t) 14:46, 5 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But that is the actual cast right?--Antonio cruzazul (talk) 00:33, 6 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FULL LIST OF CONFIRMED SURVIVORS FOR SEASON 20 - http://www.film.com/tv/survivor-samoa/story/meet-survivors-heroes-and-villains/31727842 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.77.250.228 (talk) 11:45, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but you're a little late. The cast is already available on the CBS website. Has been for several days before you posted your message. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:40, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just to revisit the point made above, I think it would be useful to have a brief note about how this season's contestants did in the previous appearance(s) listed by their names in this article rather than expecting visitors to click through to articles for all of the previous seasons to find out how they did in the past. Headtale (talk) 04:17, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think this is necessary. However, there could be some argument made for including if they were ever a winner, as winner's are often targeted (or perceived as being targeted). Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 18:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Preview

It should be noted that a preview of the 1st episode will air tonight Jan 6th during the people's choice awards.--Cooly123 15:58, 6 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Yup, and buffs were revealed!! 121.209.33.65 (talk) 06:09, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Someone should add the tribe colour boxes. Either that, or unlock the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ross22 (talk • contribs) 06:44, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I unlocked the article. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 22:02, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Somehow it's locked again.

House of Buff has officially put S20's buffs on sale - I think we should go with the colors shown on the official design image, as we did with S19.

https://www.buffwear.com/catalog/index.php/cPath/102

Heroes:

#025BAD

Villains:

#96000C

192.83.228.119 (talk) 17:29, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Even though the season is called "Heroes Vs. Villains", can we hold off calling the tribes "Heroes" and "Villains" for now? I'm sure the tribes will have actual names that pertain to the area (Just like the tribes in Fans Vs. Favorites had actual names). MarkMc1990 (talk) 00:13, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The previews hsve shown that the tribes will actually be called 'Heroes' and 'Villians'. In a challenge shot they are using tribe coloured canoes with their tribes' names on them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ross22 (talk • contribs) 14:06, 17 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are we kidding with that dark red? I know the design on whatever buff website says it's that color, but 1) that's clearly not even a picture of the buff, just a mockup and 2) if you look at the actual show it is clearly the same red as Aitutaki/Chapera/Samburu/you name it. 76.204.122.127 (talk) 17:04, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with 76.204.122.127. If you look at Randy's (bottom right) buff in this picture, it looks much lighter. I know that lighting can affect how a buff looks, but lighting probably isn't going to affect it that much. I would recommend one of these colours for the villains:

#FF4040

#E32636

--Meaghan ^{the vanilla twilight} 23:11, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Another suggestion:

According to multiple preview videos, the color of the Villains tribe turned out to be not so bright as the cast photo made it to be. On the cast photo those buffs looked as bright as Fang's, but later in all the videos the flags, buffs, and even challenge props seem to have a deeper red.

CBS.com's official banner has the Heroes vs. Villains titles written in very solid colors of quite vivid hues of blue and red, and they seem to correspond with the videos as the colors the tribes used.

Heroes:

#00479D

Villains:

#B90013

Will it be okay for those to be used as the colors for this season?

192.83.228.119 (talk) 01:56, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Previous season standings

I have removed the previous season standings because I feel that it is unnecessary information that clutters the Contestants table. The previous standings do not appear to be relevant to this season. It is not like previous winners received special treatment or that this season's castaways were seeded (like a sports competition) based upon their previous results. Of course, it is possible something might be done related to previous standing, but until the season starts and something is confirmed, I think such information should be excluded. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 17:55, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 18:01, 7 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I put a suggestion above in the "Cast" section that this article should include Previous Season Standings. I see it would fit better here - sorry for that. Anyhow, the way I see it, this article lists the contestants' ages and hometowns which is a lot less relevant to the show than including information about how the contestants have done in the past. For example, in tonight's premiere, it was immediately evident that contestants' previous standings was going to be a big factor in the show. I didn't look in the history to see how this information was formatted before being removed but I also don't think it would clutter the article too much to just have a single number in brackets after the person's name where the season is listed - eg) Colby Donaldson 35, Christoval, TX The Australian Outback (2) & All-Stars (10) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Headtale (talk • contribs) 04:33, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cast party/reunion

This should be noted that during the weekend of Jan 8-10 there was a party with many past survivor contestants. Zap2it.com has photos of some of whose in attendance including Richards Hatch and Sue Hawk.--Cooly123 16:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Having a party isn't very notable and it is just a bunch of pictures. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 16:47, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protect?

Should we semi-protect this page for now due to the recent vandalism, like spoiling, etc.? Look at the history to find the examples. What do you all think? —Untitledmind72 (talk) 18:05, 7 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That would be a great idea. Someone963852 (talk) 02:19, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's funny that some people that tried to spoil failed at spoiling. I had to delete a whole bunch of spoilers that were completely wrong (after watching tonight's episode). FAIL.--71.179.171.101 (talk) 02:10, 19 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There are a bunch more up there nowJ2summers (talk) 17:58, 6 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Letterman Top 10

Appearance should be noted.--Cooly123 15:50, 10 February 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs)

Why? It has no relevance to the article and was solely a promotional tool 82.17.239.90 (talk) 19:12, 11 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Cooly, you need to really figure out what's relevant and what's not. You're clogging up the talk page with proposals for information that any other normal person would easily be able to figure out is irrelevant. Please cut it out. And sign your posts.Stjimmy61892 (talk) 19:27, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Summaries

There's no problem with per episode summaries, but lets keep them at that, identifying (as best we can tell) the major plot aspects that will go forward into the future. I've trimmed down the one that was about twice as long before. --MASEM (t) 22:58, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was a little wordy. Long episode that seemed to go on for too long. =P -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 23:08, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Voting history

Should the "Voting history" section be listed as a subsection in "The game"? We should at least standardize this because some of the older seasons have it like so while newer seasons have it as a new section. —Untitledmind72 (talk) 20:59, 16 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong logo

The logo currently shown on the page is NOT the actual logo, but a parody one with some of the contestants' silhouettes switched around, most likely originating from Survivor Sucks. MarkMc1990 (talk) 08:30, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is the actual logo: http://thelittlestwinslow.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/1.jpg. Compare the silhouettes. MarkMc1990 (talk) 08:42, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The current logo was not found from Survivor Sucks. Rather, it can be found on Survivor's Facebook page. —Untitledmind72 (talk) 13:07, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's still clearly the wrong one. Compare it with the one in the link I posted, which was shown at the end of the preview at the Samoa reunion. Whoever is in charge of the facebook page probably found it and uploaded it without realizing it was a fake. MarkMc1990 (talk) 23:06, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I stand corrected http://cdn.sheknows.com/realitytvmagazine/2010/01/jeff-and-mark-logo.jpg. This is odd, why are there two versions of the logo? MarkMc1990 (talk) 23:25, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think I figured it out. The one on the facebook page was made before the season began filming, before they finalized the cast and tribes, and was used during the season on the buffs/tribe flags, etc. The one shown at the end of the Samoa finale preview is the updated, official version with the finalized tribes, and is being shown in the episode previews, official CBS site, and at the end of the intro. Here is the 2D high-res version http://resources.survivorphoenix.com/S20/graphics/S20_Logo_RC.jpg. I think we should use it on the page. MarkMc1990 (talk) 00:01, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just uploaded it now. —Untitledmind72 (talk) 12:43, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you :) MarkMc1990 (talk) 23:01, 21 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tribe Color discussion

I feel the current colors are too dull and don't accurately represent the actual buff colors. The actual buff colors are more vivid than the ones portrayed on the page, at least in the case of the heroes tribe.

	Current	Suggested
Heroes	Heroes (#00479D)	Heroes (#0033FF)
Villains	Villains (#B90013)	Villains (#CC0033)

MarkMc1990 (talk) 09:29, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I have to agree with you. --Maxime9232 (talk) 20:27, 26 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I do agree that the actual buff colours are brighter than the colours we originally had, however I think that the new Heroes blue is a bit too bright and vivid. I personally think that the actual buff has a slight greenish tinge to it. I would recommend #0075DB for the Heroes:

	Original	MarkMc1990's Suggestion	My Suggestion
Heroes	Heroes (#00479D)	Heroes (#0033FF)	Heroes (#0075DB)

--Meäghân _{i can see your halo} 03:50, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Joining in on the discussion. My suggestions –

Heroes:

#0064D2

Villains:

#D70014

192.83.228.119 (talk) 23:39, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think those colours are pretty much spot-on. Cheers, --Meäghân _{i can see your halo} 00:46, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm good with those colors. Any volunteers to go through the contestant's pages and update them? MarkMc1990 (talk) 03:41, 5 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tribal Concil

There should be a discription of tribal concil in this and all the survivor season pages with a picture as well.--Cooly123 14:11, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

What kind of a description? I think it's only important to know that it's the place where people get voted off. I don't understand what whould be so useful to say about it? --Maxime9232 (talk) 00:09, 28 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::I think it's funny that some people that tried to spoil failed at spoiling. I had to delete a whole bunch of spoilers that were completely wrong (after watching tonight's episode). FAIL.--[[Special:Contributions/71.179.171.101|71.179.171.101]] ([[User talk:71.179.171.101|talk]]) 02:10, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
+There are a bunch more up there now[[User:J2summers|J2summers]] ([[User talk:J2summers|talk]]) 17:58, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 == Letterman Top 10 ==