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So... you're denying that the modern Labour party is nothing more than a bunch of neo-Thatcherist morons without that woman's charisma and ability to win a war against a third world opponent? [[Special:Contributions/135.196.169.198|135.196.169.198]] ([[User talk:135.196.169.198|talk]]) 19:40, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
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Thanks for validating what I already knew about you and what your motivations where behind the edit. --[[User:Welshsocialist|Welshsocialist]] ([[User talk:Welshsocialist#top|talk]]) 19:42, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
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==Trade unionism an ideology?==
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Hi Welshsocialist, I've reverted one of your edits on the Labour Party's ideology to remove 'trade unionism' (I've left democratic socialism and social democracy). Leaving aside the extent to which New Labour can be said to represent the trade unions in politics - in comparison with the pre-1990's Labour Party - trade unionism is not an ideology: it simply means workers binding together to defend their interests, it does necessarily lead to any ideological position beyond that. The trade unions since their inception in the nineteenth century have at various times supported Tory, Liberal, Labour and other candidates. [[User:Haldraper|Haldraper]] ([[User talk:Haldraper|talk]]) 08:35, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
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Fair enough.--[[User:Welshsocialist|Welshsocialist]] ([[User talk:Welshsocialist#top|talk]]) 13:52, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
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== Welsh Liberal Democrats ==

Hi Welshsocialist, I wasn't sure if you had my page on watch, so I copied my earlier response to you here.

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:Hi. Today is traditionally your day, I believe. So: Happy May Day. That's quite a task you've set yourself. I hope I can be of help. Step one would be to create your own sandbox. That way you can play around without disrupting the real encyclopedia. When it's finished you can copy and paste onto the real page. click on this red link [[User:Welshsocialist/Sandbox]]. It will take you to an edit page. Enter some random text (i.e. test), enter something in the edit summary and click on Save page. Once you've done that you will have created your own sandbox. [[User:Daicaregos|Daicaregos]] ([[User talk:Daicaregos#top|talk]]) 14:22, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

:The link should be blue now, as the page exists. For step 2, I recommend that you choose a political party's page that you admire (it doesn't have to be from the UK), copy the layout from "edit this page" and paste it into your sandbox. That way you get the correct formatting without having to reinvent the wheel. You could use parts of pages from various different articles, if you like. A form of continuous improvement. The most important thing in an article is that everything is referenced. You may not use your own point of view, or opinion ([[WP:POV]]), the article should be neutral and balanced politically. A tricky thing to do when writing on politics, but the finished article will be something to be proud of, if you get it right. [[User:Daicaregos|Daicaregos]] ([[User talk:Daicaregos#top|talk]]) 14:31, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

:Step 3, This is where you find your references. Do a few google searches on Welsh Liberal Democrats, Liberal Democrats, Welsh SDLP, SDLP, the Liberal Party etc etc, read them and keep a note of where each piece of information was referenced from. You can use a reference book for citations, if you have one, but it is easier for others to check your references if you use online resources. The welcome template on your talk page will be a mine of information, although I imagine it looks a bit overwhelming at the moment. The best way of finding out how things work (and how they don't) is to use it (the sandbox is perfect for this). I have some suggestions on my userpage, which you are welcome to copy, should you wish. [[User:Daicaregos|Daicaregos]] ([[User talk:Daicaregos#top|talk]]) 14:41, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

:Step 4.: References. I think it's fair to say that references are not that easy to provide in an article, even when you have them. They are, at best, bloody awkward. I have used this fairly recently: *[[Wikipedia:Citation templates]]. In reality though. I usually just copy a reference I've used before as a template. For example - a book reference:

<pre><ref name="Gwynfor">
{{cite book
|last=Evans
|first=Gwynfor
|authorlink =Gwynfor Evans
|title=The Fight for Welsh Freedom
|publisher=Y Lolfa Cyf
|year=2000
|location=Talybont
|isbn=0-86243-515-3
|pages=7}}</ref></pre>

:appears in the article like this:<ref name="Gwynfor">
{{cite book
|last=Evans
|first=Gwynfor
|authorlink =Gwynfor Evans
|title=The Fight for Welsh Freedom
|publisher=Y Lolfa Cyf
|year=2000
|location=Talybont
|isbn=0-86243-515-3
|pages=7}}</ref>
:Or a web based reference:
<pre> <ref name="Parc 1">{{cite web
|title=Parc-le-Breos
|url=http://www.parc-le-breos.co.uk/index.htm
|accessdate=2008-11-06
|publisher=Parc-le-Breos
|year=2008
|work=Parc-le-Breos website
}}</ref> </pre>

:appears in the article like this:<ref name="Parc 1">{{cite web
|title=Parc-le-Breos
|url=http://www.parc-le-breos.co.uk/index.htm
|accessdate=2008-11-06
|publisher=Parc-le-Breos
|year=2008
|work=Parc-le-Breos website
}}</ref>

:If you use a "ref name", once all the details are entered you only have to note the "ref name" for subsequent citations of the same work, you just have to remember to insert the / before the final >
<pre><ref name="Parc 1"/></pre>
:like this.<ref name="Parc 1"/>
:If you are creating a new article you'll need to format the reference section like this:

<pre>== References ==
{{reflist|colwidth=30em}}</pre>
:which will show up at the bottom of the page, after all your other text. [[User:Daicaregos|Daicaregos]] ([[User talk:Daicaregos#top|talk]]) 15:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

:Step 5. Once you are happy with the article in your sandbox, enter the name you want the page to be called i.e. [[Welsh Liberal Democrats]] into the search space (on the left). It will tell you that the page doesn't exist (we hope) and ask if you want to create the page. Say yes, and then copy and paste your sandbox page into the new article, click on save page and your done, tidy. [[User:Daicaregos|Daicaregos]] ([[User talk:Daicaregos#top|talk]]) 15:19, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

:Step 6. Sit back and watch as your new article is nominated for [[WP:DYK]], and for [[WP:FA]] (perhaps), or (more likely) as [[WP:SPA]]s edit your hard work and try to slant it in whatever direction their own political persuasions lie, or children using IP addresses vandalise it every hour, on the hour.

:Please let me know if you have any questions and I'll help if I can. Best of luck. [[User:Daicaregos|Daicaregos]] ([[User talk:Daicaregos|talk]]) 21:47, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

== Welsh socialists ==

Hi

A month or two back, I did a big cleanup of [[:Category:Welsh socialists]], removing those articles where there isn't a reference to a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] establishing the person as a socialist.

I see that you added several of those articles back to [[Category:Welsh socialists]], so I have removed them again. You may be right that some of them are indeed socialists -- though I think that's unlikely in many cases -- but please don't add people to the category unless you have a reference to show that they belong there.

Thanks! --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#996600; cursor: not-allowed;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 21:00, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

''reply below moved here from [[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|my talk]] to keep discussion in one place. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#996600; cursor: not-allowed;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 20:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

:Those people I added back are indeed socialists, 'reiable sources' are difficuolt to come by for backbenchers or Welsh Assembly members. However all that were there are socialists. --[[User:Welshsocialist|Welshsocialist]] ([[User talk:Welshsocialist|talk]]) 21:36, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

::I'm sure you acted in good faith, but [[WP:V|verifiability]] is a core principle of wikipedia, and neither you nor I are [[WP:RS|reliable sources]]. So it doesn't matter what either of us thinks or asserts: what matters is that you want to label someone as as a socialist you need a reference. If those references are difficult to come by, that doesn't justify ignoring the requirement for a reference -- the solution is to just leave it out until you have a reference. --[[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="color:#996600; cursor: not-allowed;">Brown</span>HairedGirl]] <small>[[User_talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 20:35, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== Position of the Labour party ==

With regard to your recent edit on the [[Labour party]], please refer to the following on it's talk page: <ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Labour_Party_(UK)#Centre-left.3F</ref> [[User:Sansonic|Sansonic]] ([[User talk:Sansonic|talk]]) 12:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

- The edit you have more recently made is fine. I hope it stays that way.
Thanks [[User:Sansonic|Sansonic]] ([[User talk:Sansonic|talk]]) 21:00, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

:Welshsocialist, you asked how it could be debateable to describe the current Labour Party as social democratic. I would argue that the postwar Labour government was social democratic: it introduced the welfare state, nationalised industries and public services, launched a programme of building council houses, the NHS etc. New Labour's has shifted away from this to a neoliberal agenda, privatising public services, selling off council houses, ending free higher education etc.[[User:Haldraper|Haldraper]] ([[User talk:Haldraper|talk]]) 08:10, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

== [[Rhodri Morgan]] ==

Hi Welshsocialist, I have mixed feelings about the whole "[[Welsh Labour]] or [[Labour Party (UK)]]" link debate - strong arguments on both sides IMO - but I do think that you ought to pursue [[WP:DR|dispute resolution]] before making edits like this[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rhodri_Morgan&curid=209398&diff=340765249&oldid=340602402]. Other parties could simply revert you, and edit wars aren't productive. Cheers.--[[User:Pondle|Pondle]] ([[User talk:Pondle|talk]]) 19:15, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
:There is no concensus to change [[Labour Party (UK)|The Labour Party]] to [[Welsh Labour|The Labour Party]] on Welsh politician's pages. And it is inaccurate to describe [[Carwyn Jones]] (or any Labour Party politician) as representing [[Welsh Labour]]. You are [[WP:WAR|edit warring]] - please stop. Any further edits on that theme will be considered disruptive which I will report to [[WP:AN/I]]. [[User:Daicaregos|Daicaregos]] ([[User talk:Daicaregos|talk]]) 12:23, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, under the three reverts rule [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Three_revert_rule#The_three-revert_rule three revert rule] I am perfectly entitled to revert it, and attempt to get a consensus. Which you seem intent on not doing. If you want to get a consensus then please actually engage with trying to get a solution instead of edit warring yourself. --[[User:Welshsocialist|Welshsocialist]] ([[User talk:Welshsocialist#top|talk]]) 12:32, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:Thank you for providing a link to [[WP:3RR]], although it is evident that you either haven't read it or haven't understood it. [[WP:3RR]] is not some special dispensation to edit warriors to wait untill 24 hours have expired so they can revert any number of other editors, to reinstate to their prefered choice. That would be [[WP:GAME|gaming the system]] and is still considered to be edit warring. I provided a link to [[WP:WAR|edit warring]] above (and have again). Please read it. It is ridiculous to imply that I am not engaging on [[Talk:Carwyn Jones#Welsh Labour]], when you have not addressed a single point made in my last post. I note from your "contributions" though that you are intent on pushing your [[WP:POV]] over Wikipedia. We need to gain consensus from a wider participation than just those who edit at individual article level. I have requested participation from editors at [[Wikipedia talk:Welsh Wikipedians' notice board#Labour or Labour]]. You are welcome to advertise elsewhere. [[User:Daicaregos|Daicaregos]] ([[User talk:Daicaregos|talk]]) 16:14, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

All my "contributions" have consensus, and most of the time it is never but tidying up either out of date information, or vandalism. If it is on a small number of pages, it is because I now more about those pages then anything else. I am also still relative new to Wiki, so if I have misunderstood the 3Rs rule, then I apologise. You also have no engaged in my points over the issue. Editting War, incidently, works both ways. --[[User:Welshsocialist|Welshsocialist]] ([[User talk:Welshsocialist#top|talk]]) 00:20, 1 February 2010 (UTC)
:You are mistaken, you do not have consensus on either [[Carwyn Jones]] or [[Rhodri Morgan]] articles to change [[Labour Party (UK)|The Labour Party]] to [[Welsh Labour|The Labour Party]] - look at their edit histories and talk pages. You are the only one seeking that change. Also, please re-read your last post at the [[Carwyn Jones]] talk page, which I found incomprehensible. Please specify which point(s) you have raised that I have failed to address. I would be happy to do the same. [[User:Daicaregos|Daicaregos]] ([[User talk:Daicaregos|talk]]) 15:20, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I am starting to think you are now starting to attack the editor and not the issue at point. The post is perfectly comprehensible, so I don't see why are you struggling to understand it. You also accused me in your previous post before last, that I was "imposing my POV" on wikipedia. I haven't, all my edits have consensus, and this sitution will have one too, if you are willing to engage with the point and not with petty accusitions of "forcing my POV on wiki" and of a comprehensible post not being so. To restate what was said in it, Why not have Carwyn Jones is a member of [[Labour Party UK|Labour]] ([[Welsh Labour]]). I don't see what is incomprehensible about that.--[[User:Welshsocialist|Welshsocialist]] ([[User talk:Welshsocialist#top|talk]]) 19:05, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

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