Talk:South Carolina

Foot notes needed

There are several sections in this article that need more foot notes. Some sections have only one foot note. Please fix this thanks.

And being as early as it is, I forgot to sign my comment Magnum Serpentine (talk) 12:41, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Earthquakes

Is it really necessary to detail relatively recent minor earthquakes (magnitudes of 3.x)? The 1871 Charleston quake is important. The rest can be noted by simply indicating that minor earthquakes continue to occur yearly.Doug (talk) 22:10, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

I agree. There is an article about the 1886 Charleston earthquake and this article should wikilink to that. (Did you mean 1886 and not 1871?) That earthquake add values to the article. Under the policy Wikipedia is not a collection of news reports, there is no reason to discuss a few broken windows. I will take a shot at a re-write. Please check if you would. A better reference is needed besides "(FEMA)" for the number of earthquakes per year. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 22:33, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I did mean 1886. The newly written section is much better! Thank-you.  :)Doug (talk) 12:43, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

South Carolina firsts

The "South Carolina firsts" section is decidedly unencyclopedic with out any citation of references. Many entries are ambiguous as to whether they are the first in SC or whether the significance is that SC had the first in the nation or world. Others such as "First Spoleto Festival ..." are just plain silly as the Spoleto festival itself is a unique event and apparently didn't make the cut for inclusion in this article. "First steam locomotive built in the United States to be used for regular railroad service" would be great, but it is the regularly scheduled railroad that was important and South Carolina. The locomotive was built at West Point Foundry in NY! I am going to give this a bit of time for anybody to back up any of these claims with references or raise an objection, and then start removing many of them. Thanks. -- Bdentremont (talk) 02:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Governor Stephen Colbert

Vandals! Why is Stephen Colbert listed as the governor of S.C.? Rangermike (talk) 14:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

He isn't now. He was, for a short period of time. tedder (talk) 15:16, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Cool, thx for fixing Rangermike (talk) 15:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Metro

Are CSA's generally used in state largest metros... because Columbia is the largest "metro." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.10.152.88 (talk) 20:13, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Scots and Ulster Scots Heritage

Charleston , Named after King Charles , the Scottish King , of the Stuarts .

The (Scottish) War of Independance ( fought in North American Colonies, by Scots emigrants and aristocrats of the Old Order , the Scottish Royal line , pre 1707 ) , against the english 'parliament'( the Usurpers of the Stuart Monarchical line)

1587- Beheading of Mary ( Stuart ) Queen of Scots. 30 January 1649- King Charles I (Stuart ) beheaded , by english 'parliament'( usurpation , led by Cromwell , the english 'Hitler')

1670- Charles I ( Stuart ) - Charleston , named in honour of King Charles I, the the new world colonies . 1690- Usurpation of King James I (Stuart) , by english parliamentarians ( and puppet monarch , william of orange , 'invited' to be a 'constitutional' monarch ) 1707-reinforced english parliamentarians trumping the Old Order ( Scottish Royalists) , in Act of Union with Scotland ( 1707) 1715- battle of Sherrifmuir ( Old Order - Scottish Royalists , fight against the Act of Union) 1745- battle of Culloden ( rematch of 1715 ) 1775- War of Independence , fought in the new colonies of america ( by scots supporters of the Old aristocracy in Scotland ) ie: rematch of Culloden , re-affirmation of the 'auld alliance' between scotland and france , against the english parliament 1789 - english parliament , supports usurpation of french monarchy ( to disrupt the 'auld alliance' which proved so successful , indefeating the english in the war of independence, and leading to the precious loss of the american colonies ), otherwise known as the 'french' revolution.

Historical Background/ Subtext to the American Civil War

i think the difference of opinion demonstrates that there is no clear agreement on what is the truth of the matter, and there are various different opinions . i belive the internet is a far more reliable source of information that books written over the past 300 years, which reflect a degree of bias depending on the perspective of the author . i think we have a unique opportunity now , to do research and to clarify and find out the truth of the matter . i can share from my own research so far, though i have not reached a definitive answer. Ulster Scots , as distinguished from Ulster Irish . Ulster Scots is a legitimate description of those in Ulster , originating from Scotland .

• I believe that Scots is the correct term , as it relates to Scotland , as opposed to Scotch , which relates to Whiskey . Perhaps Scotch arose , from the pronounciation of Scottish , Scottish Scotch , but i believe Scots to be the appropriate term for someone from Scotland . This is distinguished from Native Irish , from Ireland . Many people who originated from Scotland , and are therefore belonging to this class of people called Ulster Scots ( ie Scots in Ulster ) , believe themselves erroneously to be "Irish' , however , as this relates to Native Irish , this would not be factually correct . This may be for political reasons , eg Irish relates to being Catholic, so a Catholic Ulster Scots, may wish to rebrand themselves as ' Irish' .

Ulster Scots , seems to be identified with Protestants , however Not all those in Ulster are Scots ( eg Ulster Scots , Ulster Irish , and maybe Ulster English (?) , equally , not all 'Ulster Scots' are Protestant , and for Ulster Scots Catholics , to rebrand themselves as Irish , would be to deny their own identity , history and Heritage . All Ulster Scots are not Highlanders . if anything , they are more likely to be Lowlanders . Why is this important? I believe that the 'problem' began in the 1500's , ie the Scottish Reformation ( which the current 'Troubles' could be considered an extension of this ) .

• Pre-Scottish Reformation. ( Just trying to focus on known , agreed , Facts ) There was the Scottish Royal Family , the Stuarts , separate from the English Royal Family , the Tudors ( Henry VIII etc ) Historically there were wars with 'England'...between England and Scotland , which was an ongoing situation since about 1050 or so .

Opinion . I believe that the Scottish Reformation , was 'War by other means ...' by England , against Scotland , ie 'War , by means of ... Religion'. There were historic links between Scotland , and the Continent , in particular France ie known as the 'Auld Alliance' . eg Mary , Queen of Scots , was Queen of Scotland and France. Henry VIII wanted to secure Scotland , by marrying his son to Queen Mary when she was an infant . ' War , by means of ... Marriage(?)' ( as it meant he would have easily secured Scotland , as subservient to Scotland , in this manner ) .

• This led to the development of a 'Pro- England' party ( amongst the Scottish Aristocrats ) , and the 'Pro-French' Party ( the more Loyal Scottish Royalists ) . Henry VIII , in attempting to subvert the Scottish Royal Family , attempted to undermine them , by sponsoring Dissident Scottish Aristocrats , such as the Melvilles .

• The Major stumbling block to the Pro- English faction , was Cardinal Beaton ( The most Scottish of Frenchman ) , who was Regent to Queen Mary ( ie Stand in , until she reached 18 ) and was he most visible and vocal proponent of the Pro French Party . The Spark for the Wars of the Scottish Reformation occured , when Cardinal Beaton was assasinated , by members of the Pro-English Party eg Melville . This drove a wedge into Scotland , on behalf of England , as planned by Henry VIII. you now had the 2 divided sides in Scotland . The Pro- English party , ie the Presbyterians / Covenentors ( Scottish supporters of the English Royal Family , the Tudors , Henry VIII), and the Pro- French party, the Catholics , who were Scottish Royalists ( supporters of the Scottish Royal family , the Stuarts) .

• The Irony was that , despite England warring with Scotland for hundreds of years previously eg 1296 - Edward I - Ragman Rolls , ( overturned , in Bannockburn , won for Scotland , under King Robert de Brus ) , that ultimately the Scottish Royal Family ended up ruling England ( rather than vice versa) ... Mary Queen of Scots , was also Queen of England , Ireland , and France ---> was Beheaded... her son James Vi of Scotland , who was then the First King of both Scotland AND England , ( Also known as James I , of both Scotland and England ...for whom the 'Union Jac' is named after , Jac, meaning Jacob , meaning james ) ...was attempted to be blown up ( Guy Fawkes , who was supposed to have done this , as James I was Protestant , however could also have been because Guy Fawkes was English , and James I was Protestant) .. James's son , Charles I ... was Beheaded ...leading to Cromwell( English Dictator... the Original Hitler (?) Then Charles's son , Charles II, was invited back after Cromwell died ( the Restoration ) ... Then Charles's II son , James II, was usurped in a 'Puppet Monarchy' , where William 'of Orange' , was 'invited' by English 'parliamentatians' to become a 'constituational' monarch( ie no real power .. just to rubber stamp what is decided by the 'prime minister'.. which is what continues to this day .. 'by convention', the monarch ALWAYS rubber stamps what parliament decides....since otherwise , the monarchy would be abolished ... so its a Puppet Monarchy , controlled by parliament ) ... - the opposition ot this usurpation of the Legitimate Stuart Monarch line , by 'parliamentarian' commoners, led to the jacobite movement ... and attempts by the ' Old Order' under the Stuarts , to reassert themselves, leading to a rematch in 1715 ( battle of Sherrifmuir - unsuccessful attempt to reassert the Stuarts ) , and later in 1745 ( battle of culloden - which was supposed to be the ' definitive ' victory for the Pro-English supporters against the Scottish Monarchy , in quashing support ) , however the American War of Independence , was Culloden , Mark II , as a re-match by the Scottish supporters of the 'Old Order' against the English , fought on American Soil... leading to victory against the English , hence the Vociferous fighting by Scots , on the American Colonies side . Its why ' America' , have Sherrifs ( as in Old Scotland , pre 1707, ie the Act of Union , imposed upon Scotland by England , which is what led to the Battle of Sherrifmuir in 1715 , to try to fight against this ) . and also why in the AMerican senate , a yes vote , is " Aye' ( doesnt sound too English , as its Scottish ) ...

• In addition to Scots , leaving Scotland , in the 1500's ( the war of Scottish "Reformation'..( or usurpation , by Pro-English Scots , Presbyterian Covenentors , supporting English King Henry VIII eg Melville ) , some left for American Colonies, and also 'Ulster'.

There is a distinction between

• Pre-1610 , when , under King Henry VIII - Of England , that most settlers to ULster , were English , and the wars of England against Irish in Ulster ... and
• Post-1610- under King James Stuart of SCOTLAND ( and england ) , when King James gave favour to Scottish settlers, who were mostly Scottish Aristocrats , and were granted first choice of the settlements . The preference being Tyrone and Fermanagh , for their Fertile lands ( wealth in those days , measured in terms of land ... therefore the more fertile , and easily farmed land , being preferable) , in the same way that in Scotland , the lowlands , were more prized that the Highlands ( as its easier to farm land which is flat , and well irrigated with rivers, .. easier for boats , as rivers were he motorways of their day ) , rather than the Highlands, which were on a slope ...

The Early settlers, were therefore Pro-Scottish / Scottish Royalists , who were Catholic , supporters of the Stuarts ... ...later imigrants , mostly Scottish Covenentors, / Presbyterians , settled mostly in the East of Ulster .. which was densely wooded ..., and therefore not as favourable ... This explains why in the Confederate Wars of ireland , the irish catholics, were supported by the Catholic Scottish Royalists ( as explained above ) , against the Pro-English , Scottish covenentors / presbyterians ... its oversimplified to simply state that it was the irish ( read catholic ) , against the ulster-scots ( read presbyterians ) . it is made more confusing , by Ulster Scots Catholics, who rebrand themselves as 'Irish', with whom they may have been affiliated , but were nevertheless , distinctly different background and heritage , from both the Native Irish Catholics , and the Scottish Pro-English Presbyterians( with whom they fought in Scotland , and was the primary reason for the Old Order of the Scottish Aristocracy , being Catholics , left Scotland , to get away from the Scottish Presbyterians... especially after the Scottish Presbyterians allies , English Parliamentarians , had ....beheaded Mary Stuart , attempted to blow up her son james I , beheaded her grandson Charles I, ( despite the Restoration , of Charles II) , then usurped with a Puppet William of Orange ( who himself was sidelined subsequently by the English Parliament , leading to George I, II , III( Mad) , the Hanovarians ...

• 'War, by other means....Disinformation'
• 'War, by other means....Internectine Strife'( engineered by the English ) , ie after settlng the Scots against themselves ( Pro- Stuarts,VS Pro-English Parliament ) , then they set about the same thing in Ireland ( Irish Catholics , against 'Ulster Scots' , which included the 'Ulster Scots Catholics, the Scottish Royalists , supporters of Stuarts... hence the Battle of the Boyne , when the Irish Catholics , supported the Stuarts, in the form of King James I )

Later , when the Pro-English Supporters , ie the Scots, presbyterians, covenentors, were double crossed by the English Parliament , which is what led to the Scots re-uniting , Catholic and Protestant , under the guise of the ' United Irishmen', united against the English Parliament .

• The American War of Independence ( from the English Parliament ...
• 'War , by other means... Punitive Taxation.. eg exemplified by the Boston Tea Party, keep your tea... chucked in the river ) - explains why similar families , originating from Scotland , eg to Carolina , or 2 step process , Scotland --> Ulster ( Scottish Dominion, until the Stuarts were beheaded, blown up , and taken over by the English Parliament ) -->Carolina..., so to say they were mostly "Scottish Ulster ..presbyterians'..is false ( as the presbyterians , already had favour, as pro- english parliament supporters, so why would they decide to emigrate to the new world ?... it was the ulster scots catholics/ of the Old Order of Scottish Royalty , the Stuarts ( which is why the banner of the emigrated Scots to eg carolina , celebrate via the St andrews society , under the Lion rampant ( the flag of the Scottish Royal Family , the Stuarts, ) , as opposed to the flag of st andrews, ( even thought its called the sta andres society) , which is simply the national flag of scotland ( ie not the Royal flag of Scotland ) ..

This is the true subtext to the historical migration from Scotland to both Ulster .. and America. ( there may have been subsequent migration of scottish presbyterians from scotland and ulster , but perhaps later, after they were double crossed by the english parliament , eg around the same time as the scottish prebyterians were linking up with irish catholics , as 'united irishmen'against the english parliament , however in the 1600's , and 1700's ,( the ongoing rumblings , and strife , from the Scottish Reformation), most of the emigrants were Scottish Catholics , contributing the fighting force against the english parliament , in the Culloden Rematch , ie the(American) War of Independence , more accurately known as the (Scottish) War of Independence ( fought on North American Soil) ...ie what does ' American' even mean .. unless you are a Native American , everyone , has to have come from somewhere else , and that was mostly Scotland , hence the large influence of Old Order Scotland Scottish Royalists ) , on the Constitution .. also the Pro- French Link , ( the Auld Alliance, although weakened , and destroyed in Scotland itself ... the ties remained, hence the association , between Scots , and French , in forming the Constitution, and Generals fighting , and winning the War of Independence , against the punitive english parliament ...

( attacks / rematches by the english parliament , is probably the subtext to the French Revolution , the English attempt to undermine the French Monarchy , to de-stabilise this

• Auld Alliance, between France and Scotland , which proved so successful , in defeating the english parliament , in th War of Independence , in America . ( which may also explain the Civil War in America, the Northern yankees( 'New England'), attacking the South ( Scots Descent , the descendants of the Victorious liberators of the American Colonies , against the punitive taxes of the english parliament , then repeated by the Northern american states applying punitive taxes on the more agriculturally based southern states
• ' War by means of ... Punitive Taxation, by proxy...'

Fdiamond (talk) 09:48, 15 May 2010 (UTC)