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I usually reply to posted messages here, but if the message is important I'll notify you on on your talkpage as well. If I posted a message on your talkpage I will reply there, but feel free to notify me on my talk if you feel it is urgent. I'd prefer it if noone removed content here, but naturally I have no objections if it's just grammar. Please don't revert my edits on this page. Finally: no insults. I can take criticism as much as the next guy, but outright personal attacks will be reverted and reported. Socialist Republic of Croatia Hello, Director. You have new messages at Talk:Socialist Republic of Croatia#Predecessors/Successors. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. You won Ok you won: never more contribute by me in dalmatian articles ok? I'm not a sock, so thanks me for house of cerva and stop bother me or accusing me i'm not interested any more in YOUR influenced pages. Hello Hello DIREKTOR, how are you? I'm Pippo Franco.--217.201.195.210 (talk) 18:52, 27 May 2010 (UTC) Hi Pipo. :) I'm fine, just a little busy. Lots of work at school. How're you? You're the guy who hates me, right? --DIREKTOR (TALK) 21:03, 27 May 2010 (UTC) Yes I'm, are you studing at university? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.201.194.164 (talk) 10:22, 2 June 2010 (UTC) Regarding Kosovo I´m sorry to disapoint you, but I really have a particular opinion regarding that complex issue. I think that as quickly as Serbia acknolledges that Kosovo is independent, it will be better for all nations in the region. Surprised? Well, I´m not a nationalist, as you had already acknolledged, but you malevoly tryied to paint, in some other ocasions. That doesn´t mean I suport much of what was donne, in name of the independent Kosovo, but looking to the current reality, that is my position (non-oposition to independence). If you really wanna know, I only think that what was wrong was that Kosovar Albanians spend 2 billion dollars to looby in the USA, when they should gave that money to Serbia (since Kosovo was legally its land), and both the land (lol). But, what happend, happend... See also Necronudist talk page, I gave there an opinion regarding Kosovo football. Also, Serbia without Kosovo could reach economical levels to entry EU much more easily than with Kosovo. I just gave you some reasons without thinking much. I´ll be out for some days... don´t abuse too much! FkpCascais (talk) 19:43, 28 May 2010 (UTC) Its not about independence or non-independence, and I did not invite you there because I think you're a nationalist (and I do ;). Its a Serbia-related issue and I thought you might be interested. Kosovo will be recognized by the UN sooner or later, but this is issue is about neutrality of approach to a sensitive issue. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 19:52, 28 May 2010 (UTC) II know, and I thank you for the invitation, but the things I told you are the reason why I don´t participate too much regarding the Kosovo related issues. I already knew about it, and I´ll say something if it´s needed. Regards, FkpCascais (talk) 19:56, 29 May 2010 (UTC) Ma dobro je stari, dobio si krivi dojam o meni - u to budi siguran. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 21:52, 29 May 2010 (UTC) Croatisation "and then the wiki gods bestowed Wikipedia:Requests for page protection." - from the wikibible lol -- ◅PRODUCER (TALK) 15:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC) "...and the Direktor then gazed down upon the article and saw that it was good." :) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 16:52, 31 May 2010 (UTC) You remember Genesis? Book two, verse three: "And he breatheth into the nostrils of Adam on the first day and it was good." -- ◅PRODUCER (TALK) 17:21, 31 May 2010 (UTC) Breaking of 3RR Reported at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring‎. FkpCascais (talk) 03:46, 3 June 2010 (UTC) Three reverts is not an entitlement. If you game the system by performing exactly three reverts and this is a pattern of behavior, you can (and will) be blocked. Please talk it out on the talk page rather than continuing to revert. I have declined for now the AN3 request in this matter, but please know that if you continue to edit war, you will be blocked. --B (talk) 13:35, 3 June 2010 (UTC) Being careful not to break any policy is "gaming the system"? Fkp has removed information from the article without any discussion whatsoever, and has recruited buddies to help him edit-war. I'm "gaming the system", though, because he reported me instead of vice versa... :) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 13:44, 3 June 2010 (UTC) Please note this text from WP:3RR ... "Remember that an administrator may still act whenever they believe a user's behavior constitutes edit warring, and any user may report edit-warring, even if the three-revert rule has not been breached. The rule is not an entitlement to revert a page a specific number of times." --B (talk) 14:37, 3 June 2010 (UTC) Edit war Hello. You appear to be involved in an edit war on Croatisation. While the three-revert rule is hard and fast, please be aware that you can be blocked for edit warring without making 3 reverts to an article in 24 hours. You are not entitled to 3 reverts and are expected to cooperatively engage other editors on talk pages rather than reverting their edits. Note that posting your thoughts on the talk page alone is not a license to continue reverting. You must reach consensus. Continued edit warring may cause you to be blocked. In a 2007 arbitration case, administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user editing Balkans-related articles in a disruptive way. If you engage in further inappropriate behaviour in this area, you may be placed under sanctions including blocks, a revert limitation or an article/topic ban. Thank you. Toddst1 (talk) 05:49, 4 June 2010 (UTC) New draft of Draža Mihailović article You said, on the mediation talk page, that JJG isn't the only one who has been putting in effort on the mediation. I agree, and I appreciate your contribution in contributing sources. Your energy has not always been collaborative and I've had to make several comments about personalizing things. Hopefully that is behind us. Now I would like you to consider how you are going to participate from here on out. I've suggested a process for resolving remaining issues. That is my role as mediator. I encourage you to participate positively in this. That means assessing which of the three categories you are in. If you don't agree, that is fine, but the onus will be on you (and any others who choose that option) to work to propose alternatives in the wording and use of sources. Would you be willing to refactor your comment into one of the three categories and, if you disagree with JJG's draft, provide specific alternatives for us to consider? Sunray (talk) 20:02, 4 June 2010 (UTC) The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : LI (May 2010) The May 2010 issue of the Military history WikiProject newsletter has been published. You may read the newsletter, change the format in which future issues will be delivered to you, or unsubscribe from this notification by following the link. Thank you. This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 21:01, 5 June 2010 (UTC) For making phalse statements about other users ethnic prejudice Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. FkpCascais (talk) 20:39, 6 June 2010 (UTC) Just walk away Sometimes the best thing to do is keep quiet for a bit and see what happens. There's no reason to rush anything. --Nuujinn (talk) 22:56, 6 June 2010 (UTC) Right. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 23:48, 6 June 2010 (UTC) And FkpCascais, since I'm sure you're watching, I offer the same advice to you.... --Nuujinn (talk) 23:49, 6 June 2010 (UTC) Its quite simple, Fkp dislikes me intensely, has a very low threshold/short fuse in conversation with me and reports me every ten minutes - a much lower threshold than WP:NPA. Also, he may think he's running out of arguments so he's trying to get me blocked. Unfortunately all that's accomplished is an increased annoyance with this on the part of all ANI admins. The only unfair thing about this is that its "oh no - its them again...", instead of "oh no - its Fkp and his reports again...". I'm not the one pestering with this utter nonsense all the time and I'm getting thrown in the same pot. Its frustrating :) And yet I have to respond lest someone accidentally acts upon Fkp's twisted take on things... Also Sunray's pretty much convinced he's UNPROFOR and the two of us are standard-issue Battling Balkans Brutes... :) Its NOT an ethnic thing ffs, certainly not for me and for Fkp too, I think. Ethnicity just came up in the discussion about Tomasevich... --DIREKTOR (TALK) 00:06, 7 June 2010 (UTC) Well, for what it's worth, from the outside it does appear at times that there is an ethnic slant to the discussions, but I say that as a 3rd generation Ami of Scot/Irish/German/Italian descent educated in German/French languages and lit, among other things, and it's very difficult to know what people are thinking through a wiki. That being said, you do get wound up pretty quickly sometimes and let things get the better of you. Really, you don't have to respond as quickly or as often as you might think you need to--wikipedia's pretty transparent, and there are a lot of very smart people here. A few well thought out statements late in a discussion often carry much more weight than an elaborate discussion early on. But I'm rambling. I do hope that we'll all be able to reach some consensus on the article, that's the main thing, really. And I'm glad you're participating fully in the mediation. --Nuujinn (talk) 00:20, 7 June 2010 (UTC) As I said, I'm just very annoyed with this whole thing lasting six months, knowing that the sources are clear on the issue and that I listed them in the article from the very beginning - can you really blame me? It takes five months apparently to get an admin to just say: "ok, he's removing something from teh article that's been sourced with a dozen scholarly references... and he has no sources of his own... I should probably tell him to stop doing so." Its just crazy... Everything's immediately treated as a freaky Balkans fight, even something straightforward like this. Why the "diplomatic treatment"? To be blunt: Fkp's wrong and considers Mihailović a sacred cow, Georges probably thinks I'm a communist propaganda-pusher or something and is biased on ideological grounds, BoDu just talks about unrelated insignificant stuff - and we're just right, plain and simple. Not because we're so awesome, but because we've got a metric TON of expert sources that say we are. Plus its a little insulting to be treated like a POV-pushing newbie after four years and 25,000 edits... --DIREKTOR (TALK) 00:33, 7 June 2010 (UTC) Well, I think you should try to assume good faith on the part of all editors. As I've said, I think both you and JJG adhere nicely to sources, and although you have differences, you two are really not that far apart, and I'd ask that you both try to work together. I can understand your frustration, but one thing to think about is that, from one point of view, this will not have an end per se. I've worked in computer support for many years now, and a mentor of mine observed one time that there will never be a time when we are done, when there's nothing left to do. The same is true here. Wikipedia is a living document, and it will constantly change. I would suggest that you don't let perfection be the enemy of the good, and that you work for progress, not an ultimate goal. --Nuujinn (talk) 00:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC) Stop I have spoken to you several times about sticking to content and not making personal remarks to/about other participants. However, in the last several days, you have repeatedly done this. I want you to stop. If you continue down this path, there may be no other choice but to exclude you from the mediation or block you until you cease. This is the last warning I will give you. The other party is also being warned. Sunray (talk) 07:42, 8 June 2010 (UTC) Could you specify the problem posts? --DIREKTOR (TALK) 09:43, 8 June 2010 (UTC) A piece of advice from me is to stop arguing with him and start arguing sources. You are coming from an amazingly strong position. The main objection to Tomasevic is his nationality or ethnicity. No one has challenged his work with contradictory scholarly information. Ignore FkpCascais and his posts to AN/I and hammer home your strong sourcing. Any posts he makes that seem disingenuous, rather than commenting on them, rebut them with strongly sourced points. Ignore him as a person, and focus on the article. AniMate 11:06, 8 June 2010 (UTC) AniMate, I agree, everyone should stick to the sources. But I wouldn't suggest "hammering" to DIREKTOR, as I would be afraid to be in the room with him if he had a hammer in hand. (; Seriously, it would be helpful if you could tone down the rhetoric. If you get frustrated, just take a little while and keep in mind there's no burning house full of kittens that need to be rescued. There's plenty of time to sort stuff out. --Nuujinn (talk) 11:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC) By hammering I mean focusing. Hammering in this situation isn't ideal... or good... or recommended. Just try focusing on your sourcing, and with that I retreat. AniMate 11:30, 8 June 2010 (UTC) ..sticking to content and not making personal remarks to/about others.. WOW.. it seems an hard job.. =) - Theirrulez (talk) 16:02, 8 June 2010 (UTC) It also seems you never heard of that "job". Are you trolling here, User:Theirrulez? --DIREKTOR (TALK) 16:34, 8 June 2010 (UTC) Not at all sir, I was just curious seeing how many people gave you the same advice, so I was wondering if it was an hard job for real.. =) --Theirrulez (talk) 17:02, 8 June 2010 (UTC) LoL... Theirrulez, ALL you do is talk about me. :) ALL the time. Non-stop. I'm glad to see you're having fun, though, since I'm being amused as well. Your presence here has certainly lightened the mood of the discussion. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 17:34, 8 June 2010 (UTC) Guys, glad you came by (yes you too, Theirrulez :). I myself suggested on the mediation talkpage that, in addition to discussing content exclusively, only sourced statements founded in sources should be taken into consideration and responded to by involved users. As you say AniMate, I'm coming from a strong position exclusively based on professional sources - which is why I'm baffled that this dispute took six months - and now they're even discussing bothering ARBCOM over this. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 17:40, 8 June 2010 (UTC) You asked me to specify the problem posts. I am willing to do that provided that you agree to continue (as you are now) with collaborative discussion, focussing on content. I do not want to get into a whole lot more discussion about who did what when. I want you and Fkp to disengage. I also want both of you to be able to accept my judgement on things. I don't intervene unless I have to and my decisions are made with the best interests of the mediation outcome in mind (to the best of my abilities). Would you be able to simply accept my examples without argumentation and continue focussing on content? Sunray (talk) 20:00, 8 June 2010 (UTC) Frankly I'm a little confused. I'm just hoping this was not construed as a personal comment on my part. I'm fairly certain I did not make personal remarks there. Judging from the response, the post was misunderstood (Personal attack removed) by Fpk, who did respond with personal remarks. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 20:21, 8 June 2010 (UTC) You say that you are confused and I am prepared to accept that, especially when you add that little dig that I just removed. To be blunt, you sail very close to the line on personal attacks/personal comments and sometimes cross it. I am trying to get you to stop that. I need you to a) understand what I am saying, b) take it to heart, and c) move on.Sunray (talk) 20:42, 8 June 2010 (UTC) "the post was misunderstood in bad faith by Fpk"? Whoah, that's a personal attack?? Well I think I'm finally starting to see what you mean. :P Total lack of mention of any user in an even remotely non-positive context. Though I can't say I agree with such stringent restrictions (since these I cannot see any backing in WP:NPA [1]) you are the boss as far as the mediation is concerned. Just square with me for a second. "Misunderstood in bad faith". Would you say that's really a violation of WP:NPA? ;) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 21:43, 8 June 2010 (UTC) (I don't mean to butt in, so feel free to tell me to pound sand). Yes, I think so, strictly speaking, in that policy dictates that we WP:AGF, and you're attributing the misunderstanding to the bad faith of another editor. It would be better just to say that you believe editor X might have misunderstood, and let everyone draw their own conclusions. --Nuujinn (talk) 23:30, 8 June 2010 (UTC) [edit conflict] Yes, absolutely. IMO you were making a pejorative assumption about faith (or the lack thereof). You are right that I am taking a stringent interpretation of WP:NPA. I have found that it is best to do so in a mediation so that the parties can focus on content. While many personalized remarks and attacks get overlooked on talk pages in articlespace, in mediation it is important to stay with the spirit of the policy, which, in a nutshell, is: "Comment on the content, not on the contributor." Clear? Sunray (talk) 23:38, 8 June 2010 (UTC) Well all right then. You may expect the very strictest adherence to the above on my part. See you at the mediation, gentlemen. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 00:07, 9 June 2010 (UTC) It is not my opinion that this comment by Direktor constituted a personal attack, but I do concur with Sunray that Direktor has been seen to have made inappropriate comments (in the course of this mediation, at least). As Sunray is not empowered to enforce party conduct with any mechanism beyond removing any comments (or portions thereof) that he deems unhelpful to the mediation, so in future don't expect to be blocked for personal attacks made on this mediation, Direktor. But do expect to be excluded from the mediation, and thus to have your ability to contest any consensus reached therein severely restricted. This comment applies equally for every other party; it is perfectly within Sunray's power as mediator to exlude one or more parties from the mediation. Also, this comment is made strictly in my capacity as an individual and third-party observer. AGK 09:51, 9 June 2010 (UTC) Stop personal attacking me (and the other users) Accusing someone of something he/she hasn't done, assuming bad faith ("for the purpose of POV-pushing") and openly accusing him/her of the "Insertion of usourced claims, fake sources, removal of sourced info" is very problematic, considering the fact that this isn't true (and so this is a personal attack). This is even more problematic considering that i never accused you of anything nor i talked harsh towards you; besides you even don't provide demonstrations to support your statements when i asked you to tell me what do you meaned whith "fake sources" (they were sources from a princeton academic, the new york times and an historian) or "removal of sourced info" (i didn't removed anything). When i say you personal attacked me i'm referring to statements like this two: "Extreme undiscussed POV-pushing. Insertion of usourced claims, fake sources, removal of sourced info, and addition of unrelated data for the purpose of POV-pushing" and "In short, the edits inserted by Fox are a slap in the face to Wiki policy. Sources were misrepresented, text supported by them altered, fake sources were added, and laughably biased wording was introduced". You have to stop talking like this to me, because i'm not here to be insulted. You can express your opinions like any other users can do: in a civil way. AndreaFox2 (talk) 11:17, 9 June 2010 (UTC) I already told it, ..sticking to content and not making personal remarks to/about others.. ..it seemeed an hard job for Direktor.. =) - Theirrulez (talk) 12:10, 9 June 2010 (UTC) Just report me already, don't clutter my talk with these outbursts. Those were comments on content, on your edits, NOT you. Theirrulez, too much excitement of this sort can't be good for ya... :) --DIREKTOR (TALK) 14:06, 9 June 2010 (UTC) I would have expected something better than "just report me"... we aren't here to show our muscles. It's a pity that you're not able to change your way of behaving towards the others. AndreaFox2 (talk) 14:41, 9 June 2010 (UTC) AndreaFox2, your post is highly offensive in itself. I did NOT personally attack you, and that is actually evident from your own claims that I did. I suspect the goal of the above is to create a false impression about my behavior to any interested admins. Fine, knock yourself out, but I will certainly not apologize for something I did not do, to someone running a smear campaign against me. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 14:54, 9 June 2010 (UTC) "the goal of the above is to create a false impression (you keep on accusing me of something that i didn't do: i cited exactly your own words. Everyone could read them on tito's talk page and on tito's history page) about my behavior to any interested admins" (Another false accusation: if it would have been the case, i would had simply reported you. This is not the place to question your behaviour to the admins and i don't think admins are interested in our discussion. This is your user talk and i'm talking to you, so don't came up with something like that, which is simply not the case. If you felt "checked" it's your problem, not mine: so don't accuse me) and "someone running a smear campaign against me" (that's a curious accusation: last time i spoke to you was 6-7 months ago. Notherless you accuse me of something like that and you pretend you're not insulting me and that you are not presuming my bad faith?). The fact here is that i's not the first time that i and other users politely ask you to change your way of talking to the other users. you always had two choises: choosing to talk less harsly or choosing to refuse any criticism, going on accusing others of something very serious like "removal of sourced info" (i didn't removed anything), "Extreme undiscussed POV-pushing" (i simply rewrote a passage when you wrote that all the germans in Yugoslavia supported nazis -which is A POV- changing the "all" with "many"), "Insertion of usourced claims and fake sources" which is simply not the case),"for the purpose of POV-pushing" adding that "the edits inserted by Fox are a slap in the face to Wiki policy. Sources were misrepresented, text supported by them altered, fake sources were added, and laughably biased wording was introduced". There you are not questioning my edits, you are questioning me, because you didn't say that you felt (for example) this was POV, that was unsorced,... you said that i had the "purpose of POV-pushing" and that i faked sourced (a very serious statement) and removed sourced info (which isn't true) becasue of my "Extreme undiscussed POV-pushing" and because i was laughably biased. AndreaFox2 (talk) 16:15, 9 June 2010 (UTC) Andrea, I am worried, deeply worried. I am frightened beyond human comprehension that your attention to detail here on DIREKTOR's alleged misdemeanours may cause you to take your eye off the ball regarding the maintenance and upgrading of such crucial articles as the now sadly deleted Honey the cat [2], List of One Piece characters and Ryota Hama. It reiterate, I am worried. Seriously worried. Can you reassure your eager audience that such fears are misplaced? Please help. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 18:53, 9 June 2010 (UTC) This is an off-topic hironical misrepresentation which could be very offensive AlasdairGreen27. And because there's too many offenses spreading from here around, posted often on the same talk page, if I were you I'll try to be more respectful. IMHO Direktor is using personal attacks and offense too easily for leaving it aside. I hope he will offer his apologize to Andreafox2, it will be the best and most appreciable behaviour by him. - Theirrulez (talk) 21:09, 9 June 2010 (UTC) There is an odious gang mentality atound here these days intended to harass and hound DIREKTOR into submission. If you feel my comments, which were in no way related to you, nor did they mention you, but you choose to comment upon regardless, "could be very offensive", well, I will not comment upon your sensitivity. AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 21:56, 9 June 2010 (UTC) You make me smile. Do you remember this pearl by you, or this one by Direktor, or again this another one? Please be serious about where is harassment and hounding. Theirrulez (talk) 22:08, 9 June 2010 (UTC) I think it would be a good idea for everyone to take a deep breath and a pause for the cause. This is starting to sound like usenet instead of wikipedia.... --Nuujinn (talk) 23:40, 9 June 2010 (UTC) Cancelling sources and an entire paragraph from Croatisation against any reasonable consensus Regarding the Croatisation article, please note you are inexplicably fighting for cancelling a paragraph from the above mentioned article since several weeks ago (see the diff of your first cancellation) when I had never set foot on that article yet. The same paragraph still existed in the article two years ago [3], and without a proper section title even more time before (more than 3 years ago) [4]. Despite it was more than reasonable to suppose a discrete consensus about the paragraph, you, on may 18, cancelled the pagraph for the first time, asking for sources supporting it (please note the entire article is barely unsourced) when you could more simply add the tag "{{citation needed}}". I, and other users, punctually improved the section you challenged, adding sources and re-writing some lines, but you continued for days to deny my modifications despite others users espressed in the talk page their consensus to leave the section in the article. Because it seemed consensus about the paragraph was again recently confirmed by several users, despite your undiscussed cancellation, please kindly stop your edit-war as already openly adviced on the article's talk. Thanks to propose your modifications on the above mentioned talk page and to respect other users contributions. - Theirrulez (talk) 04:43, 11 June 2010 (UTC) Heh. 1) User:Theirrulez, you don't get to proclaim "consensus" or "no consensus" every day whenever you feel like it. :) Its pointless, it does not help you in any way, and I suggest you stop it. Consensus is not required to remove unsourced material. On the other hand, every single edit you've ever made on this Wikipedia has been either blatantly against real prior consensus, or done without seeking or establishing consensus. 2) There is not a single solitary source that confirms your claim that the events described in your text are, in fact, "Croatisation". All I've seen is one arguably biased Italian source describing the events in Rijeka and Rijeka exclusively as "Croatisation". Theirrulez, you have no sources. Nothing you say here can change that fact. I suggest you get used to it and either find some or let it go. You may rest assured I will not agree to you going around claiming "Croatisation" is whatever event or process you (or your buddies) personally decide it may be. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 05:10, 11 June 2010 (UTC) Reminding you were already warned for edit-warring cause your pov-pushing on Croatization, if you agree I can request a comment about the existence of consensus about the paragraph which scared you. --Theirrulez (talk) 05:41, 11 June 2010 (UTC) LoL, thank you for "reminding me". :) The rest of your post I can't really understand. "RfC about the existence of consensus"? Again, you and/or your few buddies don't get to proclaim "consensus" or "no consensus". :)--DIREKTOR (TALK) 14:16, 11 June 2010 (UTC) Copy-and-paste other user's comment from a talk page to anothher talk page without permission I'm not able to understand what's your goal. What does it mean to restore my comment (with my signature) I just cancelled, against my will? I clearly added to another talk page. So you cannot manipulate it moving it on another talk page. This goes against Wikipedia policies. Please kindly remove, as soon as you can, my comments from the talk page where Kebeta first. and you then. deliberately copied and pasted. Thanks, --Theirrulez (talk) 15:44, 14 June 2010 (UTC)