Talk:Andorra

Folklore

Is there a point in having a folklore section if it doesn't tell us what it is?

Could someone please clean up the tail-end of the article? I get only a garbled page starting from the "Andorra la Vella" header onward. Thanks. - diego001

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I get nothing from the gif at beginning of page said Vicki Rosenzweig

Vicki, by any chance do you have an advertisement-blocker on your web browser? I notice that the image is called "ad.gif", and is linked from a different hostname (meta.wikipedia.com). Brion VIBBER

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"Catalan" or "Spanish" Co-prince

The term "Catalan co-prince" of Andorra is incorrect for three reasons. First, the co-prince of Andorra does not have this title because he is Catalan, but because is a member of the Roman Catholic hierarchy. Second, prior to the use of the euro, Andorra used the peseta, the Spanish currency. Therefore, monetary issues were not dealt with Catalan government, but with the central bank of Spain (Banco de España). Any relations with Andorra would be through the central government, not the Generalitat. Third, defense of Andorra is still the responsibility of Spain and France, not Catalonia and France. Therefore, because the co-prince is a member of the Spanish Roman Catholic hierarchy, because monetary issues are controlled by Spain (along with France), and because military issues are decided by Spain (and France), the co-prince is not a co-prince because he is Catalan, he is co-prince because he is Spanish, not Catalan.

I should look into this more before suggesting it, but isn't he called the "Copríncep Episcopal"? -- User:Docu

OK. You are nationalist and you only want to introduce the word "Spanish" instead of "Catalan". But there isn't relation between what you said and these words. There is no relation between the currency (who is the co-prince of San Marino, or Monaco? What used them?). Only France (no Spain) have to defence Andorra. And the most important: the co-prince is the Bishop of Urgell now, and centuries before the creation of Spain (catholic, OK, but it doesn't point to Spain more than to Catalonia). You want to write the word Spain, OK, but the reasons that you comment are absurd, and only follows to politicize the article. Then I suggest neutral terms like Episcopal Co-pince or Urgeil Co-prince. Llull 19:03, 16 May 2004 (UTC)

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From Peter Wye,

The politically neutral "Episcopal Co-prince" is actually a very good idea. I have made the change. But please do not attack my character here. I would never do that to anyone, and I expect it not to be done to me.

"Only France (no Spain) have to defence Andorra."

This is incorrect. Both France and Spain defend Andorra. [1]

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Hi Angela - just noted your amendment to the text above - however the word used (sic) in this sense means that the wording thus indicated is a quote which although evidently contains error in spelling, grammar or conventional usage, is nevertheless reproduced in its original form. --JohnArmagh 07:24, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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"Tradition holds that Charlemagne granted a charter to the Andorran people" Charlemagne's charters, even the forgeries, go to individuals, not to "people". Is there any more realistic information about an ancient charter for Andorra? Wetman 01:27, 14 Sep 2004 (UTC)

King Boris

The main article states that Boris was a Russian, but the article List of Co-Princes of Andorra states he was Dutch. Which is correct? Grunners 06:39, 3 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Suggest 10 possible wiki links for Andorra.

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• Can link king of France: ...the title passed to the kings of [[Navarre]], and under the king of France [[Henry IV of France|Henry IV]], an edict in [[1607]] estab... (link to section)
• Can link Bishop of Urgell: ...n [[1607]] established the head of the French state and the Bishop of Urgell as co-princes of Andorra.... (link to section)
• Can link French Empire: ...rgell as co-princes of Andorra. In the period 1812-14, the French Empire annexed Catalonia and divided it in four departments (Segre... (link to section)
• Can link Guardia Civil: ...king by the Andorran goverment. On July 14, a group of the Guardia Civil (Spanish militarized police) entered Andorra and took him t... (link to section)
• Can link Spanish Civil War: ...a French detachment in Andorra to prevent influences of the Spanish Civil War and Franco's Spain. (June 1940 is the month of the French ... (link to section)
• Can link European history: ...ve isolation, Andorra has existed outside the mainstream of European history, with few ties to countries other than France and Spain. In... (link to section)
• Can link political system: ...cations have removed the country from its isolation and its political system was thoroughly modernised in [[1993]].... (link to section)
• Can link parliamentary democracy: ...]], the [[constitution]] establishes Andorra as a sovereign parliamentary democracy that retains the co-princes as [[head of state|heads of sta... (link to section)
• Can link legislative body: ... their role is almost entirely ceremonial. Andorra's main legislative body is the [[unicameral]] General Council of the Valleys (''Con... (link to section)
• Can link Executive Council: ...ints ministers to the [[cabinet (government)|cabinet]], the Executive Council (''Govern'').... (link to section)

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Intro---> place name

Is it me, or does anyone else find it odd that Andorra's title is cited in Catalan (obviously) & French, but....not Castilian Spanish?

If Andorra's history is so deeply intertwined with that of her neighbors, wouldn't it be a bit remiss to leave the Spanish title out of it, while including the French?

Or is this a political omission, e.g. POV?

Andorrans, in common with the neighbouring regions of Spain (and less widely France) speak Catalan as their first language. Andorra's relations have always been with Madrid rather than Barcelona as there has never, in modern times been an independent Catalan state, only an autonomous region within Spain, but if they were treated as seperate at all, Andorra would be considered part of the Catalan "community", not the Castillian one. I hope that makes sense.

Of course, although Catalan is the local language, so much of Andorra's economy is based on tourism and day-trippers from France and Spain that most people also have good if not fluent French AND Castillian Spanish.

Also worth remembering is that although the co-prince on the French side was a head of STATE (The King and then the President), on the Spanish side it was a local bishop - whose seat is very firmly in Catalan territory. Esquimo 16:00, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Peace with Germany

Most sources say this was September 25, 1939. 1958 doesn't seem to be correct. Can someone check?

National Day: Why on 8 September ?

Why is, Mare de Deu de Meritxell, the National Day of Andorra on 8 September ? Was the parage in 1278 signed on this day, which happened to be the feastday/birthday of Mary, the mother of Jesus (Mare de Deu) ? Where/what is Meritxell ? Can the date be confirmed, please ? -- PFHLai 16:39, 2005 September 5 (UTC)

Personal representatives of Andorran Co-princes

Can anyone tell whether the personal representatives of both Andorran Co-princes possess the same (or similar) status and authorities as the Governor-Generals of Commonwealth Realms, as the Andorran Constitution just states that the Co-princes can appoint personal representatives but does not mention their status and authorities. -- DD Ting 15:55, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)

WW2

File:Spanish Civil War.gif

Here's a small version of the Spanish Civil War map. Light yellow indicates the last areas conquered

• What happened during WW2? (213.250.143.131)
  • They were neutral. They were an important smuggling route between Vichy France and Spain. -- Jmabel | Talk 09:21, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
• When did the Francoist troops reach the Andorran border? (213.250.143.131)
  • Relatively late (as with all Catalan territory) but I don't know the date. According to the map at right (click on it for a large version), they were not there in July 1938. -- Jmabel | Talk 09:21, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
• Did it limit with Vichy France or occupied France? (213.250.143.131)
  • Vichy France. There was no border between Occupied France and Spain. Wikipedia currently lacks a map of Vichy France. Does someone have a PD source for that, or would be willing to make a map? -- Jmabel | Talk 09:21, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
    • I was wrong (but not about what bordered Andorra). There was a slight border in the Basque region. This is one of the rare times I will refer someone to Encarta: map of Vichy France. -- Jmabel | Talk 09:27, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Is that map right? I don't see Italian-occupied France (It is shown in this French site.

Pretty tiny. - Jmabel | Talk 06:14, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

• What was the German attitude? (213.250.143.131)
  • That's the one question of yours I can't really answer. I suspect it was roughly the elephant's attitude toward a gnat. Can anyone answer this one? -- Jmabel | Talk 09:21, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
• When did they declare war? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 213.250.143.131 (talk • contribs) 3 Jan 2006.
  • To the best of my knowledge, never. -- Jmabel | Talk 09:21, 4 January 2006 (UTC)