Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/David Cote (film director)

David Cote (film director)

keep. I think this article should be kept because i've seen alot of film people on here and sometimes they only cite IMDB. This article seems to have many solid sources. saira de Goede

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This is an article for a filmmaker whose notability is extremely questionable and based on very thin sources:

• The only claim to notability for any of the filmmaker's movies is that one of them was "accepted into the Cannes Film Festival's Short Film Corner". The criteria for acceptance into the Short Film Corner are minimal; this is more a matter of registration than a critical evaluation.
• Few of the sources provide any real content, and those that do are principally derived from self-authored blurbs -- they cannot really be considered reliable sources.
• The article was authored by Nick Soroka, who worked as a unit manager on Cote's first film. The article was originally submitted under user Davecoteproductions and then as Finelineproductions. It has all the hallmarks of being a promotional biography commissioned by Dave Cote.

This filmmaker may become notable at some point, but there just do not appear to be enough sources to support it now. Tim Pierce (talk) 03:10, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

• Delete as nominator. Tim Pierce (talk) 19:11, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
• DELETE this thing at once off the face of the Earth in deference to WP:RS, WP:N, WP:AUTO, WP:COI, WP:Single-purpose account, and the general sense of common humility that its creator lacks. Qworty (talk) 05:31, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
  • More drama in your language, please. Killiondude (talk) 07:37, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

The majority of sources on Cote's film Windup indicate that it is a feature-length film. And by researching the Cannes Short Film Corner, it's apparent that a film may be entered that is up to 60 min. in length, which, according to mainstream film industry standards, is feature length. Also, I found that a small percentage of the Short Film Corner submissions are actually accepted, and so it is notable that the film Windup was accepted. Also, why not simply take a look at the film itself: as it is available on many distributor sites, here's one: http://www.filmannex.com/movie/film/22227/windup NickSoroka (talk) 03:04, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

looking at this wiki article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Bryce , which was given to me as a reference early on in the webchat forum, to help me, as this is my first wikipedia entry, it could be said that Ian Bryce is notable because he worked in production on some blockbuster films, as per imdb. likewise, David Cote has worked on some big films in the production side as director; dv director; line producer, and there are sources including the same "imdb" but also more (news articles, other urls), and so it follows that this page be kept on Cote. NickSoroka (talk) 03:11, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I have added an additional news source: In an article titled “Filmmaker smells success at Cannes”, it is noted that award-winning writer, Gordy Hoffman, is reviewing Cote’s next film, “Inertia”. Also noted is that Gloria Gifford, and Ron Gilbert, two well known Hollywood actors turned teachers, are supporting Cote’s film. Ron Gilbert’s company, Rogue Arts, has already agreed to world-wide Theatrical and DVD distribution of “Inertia” [1]. I have contacted the various newspapers that I have referenced for my own past writing purposes, and am being emailed original copies of several articles. The first is noted above. If need be, I can email the articles, which have been scanned and emailed to me, if I am provided an email @wikipedia that I could send them to. Several more sources should be coming to me this weekend, some related to "Windup" and Cannes, others relating to Cote's community involvements and appointments to various academic positions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.74.205.151 (talk) 03:08, 9 October 2010 (UTC) NickSoroka (talk) 03:45, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to read the Gordy Hoffman review. Where is it located (web, print, etc.)? And shouldn't "Inertia" be listed on Ron Gilbert's website along with his (Gilbert's) other distribution titles? Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 05:07, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

I will further add that I am new to Wikipedia and creating articles, and am LEARNING. I have read a lot of mean words and resentment, when all I am doing is creating an encyclopedic entry for a Canadian Filmmaker who I believe is quite notable, having started with nothing, and ended up with much support from hollywood, Cannes, and the film community. Also, Cote has made contributions to the community, in relation to Youth services and community planning. All of these articles are from News sources, and are on their way, being emailed from the authors on their own time. It has been quite an undertaking to get through to the authors and have them go through their own archives and scan the articles and email them to me. I did my best to source via the internet, but have come against harsh criticism. I am confident that by Sunday (October 10, 2010), all issues will be resolved and that the new sources I provide will clear up any questionableness with regards to "notability" and "source". NickSoroka (talk) 03:53, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia is open to all, anyone and everyone can edit or post their thoughts. Sometimes people are intemperate with their comments, but you have to understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. The guidelines that other editors are mentioning and that might apply here are in place to hopefully prevent WIkipedia from morphing into a business directory or a blog or whatever. If you haven't read the following listed guidelines yet (I think they all apply in this case), you might want to refer to them - they're really helpful.

• Notability
• Notability (people)
• Notability (creative professionals)
• Notability (entertainers)
• Biographies of Living persons
• Neutral point of view
• Conflict of interest
• Avoid peacock terms -- Shearonink (talk) 15:54, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Additional Source Added: Brian Garrity, New York Post, June 12, 2007: " David Cote traveled to New York shortly after the Cannes Festival in 2007. He worked with Cinematic Talent Agency as well as Abram's Artists in Manhattan, and booked a role in a USA National Busch Beer commercial. Cote seems to have a hand in all aspects of film and television . Cote initially funded his film projects through earnings he made working as an actor in film and television . " NickSoroka (talk) 07:41, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:59, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Keep - The subject clearly satisfies #3 of WP:CREATIVE. While IMDB is not a reliable source for biographical content, it is an accurate source for verifying what projects an Actor; Director; Producer; Cinematographer; Writer; Editor; Composer; Second Unit Director or Assistant Director; Miscellaneous Crew; Sound Department; Music Department; Art Director; Production Manager like David Cote has been involved with. These credits are supplied directly by the Writers Guild of America and the Motion Picture Association of America and are therefore highly accurate and reliable. The imdb list of credits for David Cote as all of the above mentioned roles is both long and impressive. (I wrote the above, forgot to sign in) —Preceding unsigned comment added by NickSoroka (talk • contribs) 23:16, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

As I stated above. Imdb is a reliable enough a source to establish #3 of WP:CREATIVE. Even with this source alone, it's called a "one source tag"; which would have been a better solution than dragging this through an AFD. Imbd does show what projects the person has been in and in this case shows he passes the third criteria of the WP:CREATIVE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.74.205.151 (talk) 22:31, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

I have used this as a template for some of the article on David Cote (film director), as per direction from <+jeremyb> : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Bryce NickSoroka (talk) 23:47, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

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I think you are misunderstanding WP:CREATIVE #3 there.

...has created, or played a major role in co-creating^{See A below}, a significant or well-known work,^{See B below} or collective body of work, that has been the subject of an independent^{See C below} book or feature-length film, or of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews

A. This refers to the people who make the work, ie (co-)director/producer etc. Playing a bit-part as "Man at Club" and so on does not confer this.

B. If these works were "significant" then we should have an article about them. If we don't, that is some indication they are not.

C. That is, independent reliable sources about these works - not the mere existence of them. Showing a person wrote a movie called "Foo" does not mean they satisfy the criteria; "Foo" would have to be a notable work, with the consequent independent materials about it.

The listing added shows that Mr. Cote appeared as an actor in several works; however, the CREATIVE criteria does not apply in those cases, as he did not "create or co-create".

In the cases where he was director or producer, such as "Inertia (2011)", I do not see evidence that that work has been the subject of a book, film, or lots of periodical articles.

Also, remember that WP:CREATIVE is a guideline. At heart, the discussion here, is if Mr. Cote satisfies the requirements of notability - viz. if there are, or are not, multiple independent reliable sources writing specifically about this individual ('significant coverage').  Chzz  ►  23:51, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Additional News Source Added: " Dave Cote headed a group alongside the RCMP, Fire Department, City Hall and Parks and Leisure Services, to apply for a Youth Services Grant. Once obtained, the grant was used to solve initiatives within the Maple Ridge and Pitt Meadows communities dealing with violence and intimidation, fire safety, and youth employment. The program was a success, helping raise the youth employment rate, as well as providing new programs for teenagers that would keep them away from the trend of bullying that was on the rise at the time of the grant project . " NickSoroka (talk) 02:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Additional News source (New): " The $170,000 Youth Services Canada grant inspired Cote to pursue higher education, starting at Douglas College and then finishing at Simon Fraser University. While at Douglas College, Cote was elected to the position of University Transfer Representative. He used his own experience of being a “highschool dropout” to help guide youth in similar situations towards higher education . " Again, I have all articles and can forward them as needed. NickSoroka (talk) 02:19, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Another source: " As noted in The Local, “Windup” was a feature film with a cast of 50, shot in over 40 locations, with actors John Read, Lurene Music, Alex Bruhanski, Mel Tuck and Cote as billed cast. Windup was a feat never before accomplished on a budget under $10,000 . " NickSoroka (talk) 02:41, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Indenting duplicated !vote  Chzz  ►  04:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC) Keep. Now, I have added many sources, and to the WP:CREATIVE, Cote is listed on imdb, as being involved in, as well as playing a role in helping create, many films, including producer and director. Further, I have sourced Cote's involvement with the community and youth in his early life, as well as his move up the ranks in College and University settings, not only as student but as political advocate. This leads into his film career, which is sourced many times now by verifiable and differing news sources. From what I understand, three reliable sources substantiates "notable", as per discussions i've had on the live webchat, and a news paper article is one of the most reliable. I think that now, based on the news articles, it can be deduced that the listed information on imdb is credible and true. I further deduce that based on the various sitings of fashion model websites that Cote is represented by worl-wide, it is obvious that this shows how Cote's travels in the fashion realm led to the production and involvement in the films "Don't Tell My Booker!!!" and "Model Culture". And so, it seems very reasonable to say that all of the sources in the article, and all of the content, should be kept.

Thank You, NickSoroka (talk) 03:00, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Nick, your 'Keep" is already listed up above, thought you'd like to know that editors can make their opinions heard but only one vote will count in an AfD discussion. Shearonink (talk) 04:46, 10 October 2010 (UTC)