Talk:Syfy

Boycott Syfy Due to Caprica Cancell

This channel just killed the best show on the air. Guess what? we watched it online, and you never knew with your stodgy outdated metric gathering techniques, such as neilson boxes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.183.111.191 (talk) 07:38, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

I agree. They just cancelled SGU as well. They cancel their two most innovative, ground-breaking, highest quality series and then keep garbage like Merlin and Being Human?? Why watch anything on Syfy, because if it's anything less than garbage, they'll cancel it. I'm for boycotting it because there's nothing but garbage on it now. --75.108.199.245 (talk) 23:07, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Bad Link?

The president of Scifi is David Howe, and it links to an article on -a- David Howe, but even a cursory glance at that article gives me great doubts that its the same guy. Hewhorulestheworld (talk) 15:26, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Outer Limits

Any particular reason this show was omitted from any mentioning in this article? The Outer Limits has been a particularly prominent series on Sci Fi in the past, and while I haven't watched the channel in a couple years, I'm willing to bet it still aires. I mean, hasn't it been on Sci Fi since forever? Just wondering. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.113.215.89 (talk) 09:41, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Lame Anime List (again)

This is what I posted on this talk page (When I saw the list of anime shows in the list of Sci-Fi shows, I never saw any of the ones that aired on ani-monday, such as Noein, Tactics, Ninja Scroll (censored version), Tokko, Straight Jacket, and other anime shows that aired on that Sci-Fi block! Why not?!?), and I was expecting a comment from someone, not have it deleted by someone! I asked if someone would be kind and add those episodes (and perhaps other shows I forgot to mention) in the list of shows aired on the Sci-fi Channel. If you won't, then I will. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.45.119.194 (talk) 22:28, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

The article formerly had a complete list of anime that has been aired as a part of Ani-Monday (and Anime on Tuesdays), but the list was inappropriate for various reasons for this article and was removed. An incomplete list (which has many more titles from the older anime blocks) can be found on List of Sci Fi Channel (United States) programs. 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{(Dinoguy1000)} 03:25, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

What's going to happen to "SCI FI Magazine"?

Exactly what's going to happen to "SCI FI Magazine" when Sci Fi Channel becomes Syfy? AdamDeanHall (talk) 22:27, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

How would anyone here know? Unless and until they say something either in the magazine or to the media, no one will know. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:27, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

As an update, thus far Syfy is still referring to it as Sci Fi Magazine. Sci Fi wire has also retained its name. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 06:34, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Per Craig Engler (Syfy Digital Media VP)'s Twitter page - @Syfy -, both SCI FI Wire and SCI FI Magazine will retain their current names. Jason.cinema (talk) 20:46, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Sci Fi Channel 2000 logo

Does anyone have the logo for Sci Fi Channel from 2000? There was an SVG version of the logo a while back, until the logo section got unnecesarilly removed, but I can't find the 2000 logo anywhere. Gage (talk) 05:29, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

The logo section was not "unnecessarily removed" it was removed because it violates WP:NONFREE, and it will continue to be removed as such. There is no critical, sourced commentary on the various logos, and just including an image gallery just to show the history violates Wikipedia policy. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 05:35, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

One of these two is the 1999 Logo

http://www.marty.com.au/images/stories/scifi/syfy-channel-logo-oldschool-scifi-network-02.png

http://www.areavoices.com/wrestling/images/thumbnail/scifi.jpg

-Chris9277, thank you very much —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chris9277 (talk • contribs) 19:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

The second logo is from Sci Fi UK, before they were owned by NBC Universal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.79.8.76 (talk) 02:47, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Correct use of "Sci Fi" and "Syfy"

Somebody changed every use of "Sci Fi" to "Syfy" resulting in some pretty ridiculous and incorrect statements like "The company's website, Syfy.com, launched in 1995". "Syfy.com" did NOT launch in 1995, "Scifi.com" did. "Syfy.com" did not exist then. Similarly "In the early 1990s, Syfy aired several anime films" is wrong because "Syfy" did not exist then, "Sci Fi" did. And it continues, "it was announced that anime would be returning to Syfy starting June 11, 2007", 'In 2006, Syfy began airing several non-sci-fi programs", "In April 1996 it began appearing exclusively on The Dominion as part of a partnership with Syfy" and so on. These are all clearly incorrect. I corrected these glaring errors becaue the appropriate context should be used. Statements should reflect the situation at the time so using "Sci Fi" for pre July 2009 is correct, using "syfy" is not. My corrections have now been reverted,[1], supposedly for reasons of consistency. There is no consistency in introducing obvious errors into the article. --AussieLegend (talk) 13:54, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed - I've restored all the pre-July 2009 uses of SciFi to the article. MikeWazowski (talk) 14:01, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Disagree and changed back. In company articles, we use the current name throughout the article, except as part of the historical section up to the point of the name change. This is done in FA/GA level articles and there is certainly no reason not to do it here. The only glaring issue was with the website which has been corrected. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 14:34, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Except that you're still changing historical references. Perhaps we should open a RfC on this, as you seem to be the only one (right now) who's insisting on wholesale removal of the original name. MikeWazowski (talk) 14:40, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

The first person who changed the name in the article did a wholescale search replace. If you feel some specific instances should remain Syfy, let's discuss those issues rather than wholescale changing every reference back. Syfy is now the channel/company's name, so it is what should be used throughout the article. The only references I changed were press releases, which can be changed back without changing the text references. I've gone ahead and changed those and rewrote some sections to deal with the issue. Will that work for everyone? -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 14:49, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

You're still missing the point. The correct historical context should be used. Articles talking about historical figures don't refer to them as "the late" because they're dead now. They refer to them as they were when they were alive. Use of "Sci Fi" here is no different. At the time of the various occurrences the channel was called "Sci Fi" so that is how it should be referred to. Statements such as "Syfy has aired anime programming off and on throughout its history" are quite ridiculous. Syfy's history is just today. In 2008, Syfy didn't average a 1.0 Household rating, Sci Fi did. Syfy has never managed any rating because it didn't exist until today. What you're suggesting is like saying "The late President John F Kennedy was assasinated", implying that somebody assasinated a dead president. It makes no sense. --AussieLegend (talk) 15:06, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Syfy is not a person, it is a company. The COMPANY's channel aired anime. The company's history did not begin today. The article is about the company. For consistency, we refer to it as its current name except in the historical section where we are discussing its move from one name to another. In all other sections, refusing to refer to it by its proper name seems more like an issue of trying to deny the name changed. HGTV is referred to as HGTV, not Home and Garden Television until it officially switched to HGTV. Syfy = Sci Fi whether people like it or not.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 15:56, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

No, the article is about a television channel owned by a company, not about the company itself. The channel called SciFi aired anime, the channel called Syfy did not because "Syfy" was owned by somebody else at the time. Calling the channel Syfy even when Syfy was owned by somebody else is like denying the channel was ever called Sci Fi and implying it was the other Syfy that aired the programs. --AussieLegend (talk) 16:15, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Syfy was not owned by someone else. Syfy did not exist as a channel before Sci Fi changed its name. The article is about both the company and the channel, as each are fairly independent.-- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 16:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

"Syfy" was most certainly in use well before NBC decided to use it and had to purchase syfy.com. There are links in the article referencing this. It doesn't matter whether we are talking about individuals or companies, historical context should be maintained, which is why pre-July 2009 historical references, such as those I've already identified should refer to "Sci Fi". Based on the number of editors who have changed references in the article back to "Sci Fi", it seems that consensus is building against you on this but maybe we should go to RfC as MikeWazowski suggested if you're not willing to budge. --AussieLegend (talk) 22:51, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Syfy did not exist as a channel, which is the only context that matters. Its existing as a minor local business and the like is irrelevant for the article. The dates provide the historical context and both the lead and the history already clearly note that the channel was spelled Sci Fi before July 7, 2009. I honestly don't see why people are finding this such a big deal. Its not like the name changed, its pronounced the same, the only thing they did was change the spelling! As I've already noted, my use of SyFy throughout is consistent with both other business articles where businesses have changed their name, including GA and FA level articles, and with other similar issues such as articles on foreign media where we use the English name throughout except in the lead where we note it was published as X in its home country. I'm talking peer reviewed articles where this would certainly have been brought up if it would have been more proper to use the "historical" name based only on context. We don't change the name based on "context" of the sentence. An RfC may be the only way to go, since we're beyond a 30. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 23:03, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia not a corporate website. There is no need to change the info that millions of readers are familiar with just because of the whim of some corporate blowhards (who will be fired soon enough and the name reverted anyway). People know what Sci-Fi means. Nobody cares about SyFy, other than making a note about the company's disastrous decision nothing else is needed to be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.4.132.165 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 28 September 2009

Yes, this is an encyclopedia. We present information that can be reliably sourced. The name change is such a piece of information - and, in fact, it can be reliably sourced directly to the company itself, which is more than can be said for a lot of the information Wikipedia contains. Whether the name will be changed back or not is immaterial, as is the reason the name was changed (and saying it's "the whim of some corporate blowhards" is original research, regardless of how likely it may be). If the name does get changed back, we will document this as well, with more reliable sources to back the new information up. Until then, I'd kindly ask that you go complain on a forum or blog somewhere instead of on Wikipedia. =) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:50, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes clearly the article on the channel itself should note this change. However going thru and changing all of the legacy information is not required and in fact a bad idea. If you don't like to read my comments, then I'd kindly ask that you go complain somewhere else yourself, buddy.24.4.132.165 (talk) 22:38, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

The information gets changed in other articles where relevant. I personally have not been making the change, except in the list of programs Syfy has aired. And, on a more personal note, I really don't care what Syfy chooses to call itself, as long as it continues airing Ani-Monday - that's all I watch it for, anyways. =) 「ダイノガイ千？！」^{? · Talk⇒Dinoguy1000} 17:41, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Criticism?

Surely, for balance purposes, this article could include some criticism of the Sly-Fly channel's Saturday B-movies? I know they have produced a few decent films, but many are truly awful.—RJH (talk) 17:17, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

The criticism of the films is mainly film specific and already covered in the individual articles. For balance, it needs to include both sides, though, not just criticism. I've seen one or two articles covering the movies as a whole mentioned in some of those films, but would need to find them. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:51, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Correct use of "Sci Fi" and "Syfy" in other articles

When I say "other articles" I am thinking mostly of the pages for television programs related in some way or ways to the channel; however I mean to address the subject in general, as it applies anywhere in Wikipedia.

I finished writing a lengthy discussion inquiry on the use of "Sci Fi" versus "Syfy" for the Torchwood talk page. The article briefly relates episodes of Torchwood aired on BBC America as being generally less edited than those of Doctor Who broadcast by Sci Fi Channel. I wasn't sure whether "Sci Fi Channel" should be altered to "Syfy" because those episodes of Doctor Who were edited and aired prior to the name change. When I had my post all typed out, I re-read it and realized I had spent several paragraphs and a great deal of time on a trivial detail, more or less completely unrelated to the Torchwood article, and that a discussion about the Syfy re-branding would be entirely out of place.

I think it makes the most sense to bring the conversation here; even though its the place intended to talk about improving the Syfy article specifically, which happens to be the ONLY page specifically excluded. Ultimately, I have the following questions:

1. Should there be an active effort to change "Sci Fi Channel" to "Syfy" across Wikipedia?

2. When, if ever, should "Sci Fi" be left as it is? Only when the difference is to-the-point, such as when mentioning the re-branding itself? What about things entirely contained before the change of names? For example, consider this sentence from the article, Battlestar Galactica (2004 series): "The series first aired as a three-hour miniseries in December 2003 on the Sci Fi network and ran for four seasons thereafter, ending its run on March 20, 2009."

3. Is it ever appropriate (or perhaps a good idea) to include one name or the other parenthetically, such as in the first sentence of this article: "Syfy (formerly known as the Sci Fi Channel)...". Would it ever make sense to use the style "Syfy (previously known as Sci Fi)" or "Syfy (known as Sci Fi prior to July 7, 2009)" instead of "the Sci Fi Channel (now known as Syfy)" or "Sci Fi (known as Syfy since July 7, 2009)", or vice versa?

I'm sure I haven't included everything I meant to, so please ask questions of your own or answer ones I should have asked. And holler if you know a better place for this topic to go. Invisigoth841 (talk) 20:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

No, an active effort is not needed. Here is actually where the whole historical use discussed above actually comes into play. As per what is done with other companies/channels, refer to it by the name it was at the time the series aired. So most of the tyime, that will be Sci Fi channel. If, however, the series is still running but started before the name, such as Eureka, then either include a one sentence note that Sci Fi rebranded itself to Syfy, or use something like "the series premiered on Syfy, then called the Sci Fi channel, on X where it continues to air." New series that premiere on Syfy should, of course, use Syfy. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 21:30, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Should there be an active effort to change "Sci Fi Channel" to "Syfy" across Wikipedia?

Well, just about every single link to www.scifi.com that is in wikipedia is a dead link. I ran a quick search, and it brings up more than 5100 pages on just the english language wiki that will need to be re-edited. Much as I'd like to boost my edit count up there, it will be a large undertaking. Some of the pages are on archive.org, some are not. Tangurena (talk) 17:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Use of "Sci Fi Channel" in the Ratings section

At the time of this writing, the first sentence of the Ratings section reads:

"In 2008, Syfy, then the Sci Fi Channel, averaged a 1.0 Household rating..."

I believe that the first sentence should read as such:

"In 2008, the Sci Fi Channel (now Syfy) averaged a 1.0 Household rating..."

I believe it should be written like this because it was not called Syfy last year, it was the Sci Fi Channel. The wording of this sentence better conveys the history of the channel, as it was not changed to Syfy until a few days ago. The channel hasn't changed ownership or anything, it's still the same. It's just changed names. Worded the other way, it still conveys the name change, but having the old name set after the new title puts more emphasis on the new title rather than the fact that it wasn't called Syfy back then. I have made a change of this nature twice. My first one did not even mention the name change, which is why I made the second revision to better reflect that. It has since been reverted for the reasoning that the "article is about SyFy, so sentence reflects this better as is." The article is STILL about the channel, but when the ratings were gathered, the channel was not called Syfy. The new sentence better reflects that the change is a recent one by putting the old name first, thereby drawing the reader's attention to the fact that when the ratings were gathered, it was still called the Sci Fi Channel.

You may believe this is a somewhat trivial matter, but I believe it is necessary to better convey the nature of the change and the ratings that were gathered. Also, if you want, it can be set off with commas rather than parentheses, if you think it would look better. -- Interrupt_feed (talk) 22:50, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

The former sentence is better written, flows better, and remains focused on the subject. The article is about Syfy, which was once known was the Sci Fi Channel, not the Sci Fi Channel now known as Syfy. As you noted, it has not changed anything, only names, wich is why it is properly written to focus on the actual channel itself, noting the name change, rather than focusing on the old name, first. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 22:58, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Syfy Original Movies

Syfy is now referring to these films as Syfy Original Movies [2], therefore this category should be renamed to reflect that change. Jason.cinema (talk) 00:02, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Nothing on that site says "Syfy Original Movies" - the category was already misnamed, because they were called Sci Fi Original Pictures, without the channel. A rename request is already in place to fix this. The movie air time is now called "Syfy Saturday" but that is not the same as the actual "Sci Fi Pictures" movie making area. Need better clarification as to whether they have renamed the actual moving making unit or not. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 00:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Here's an example of them calling their movies "Syfy Original Movies" - the page for the airing of their upcoming Syfy Original Movie Hellhounds. [3] - as well as the schedule for the airing on their site which also refers to it, and all of their other movies airing that day, as Syfy Original Movies. [4]]. Jason.cinema (talk) 13:50, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

The first link does not actually use the phrase "Syfy Original Movie". The second one does, however it still isn't clear if that is just the airing name or if they have actually renamed the division within the company as well. I'm going to try emailing them to see if they clarify. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 14:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Craig Engler, Syfy's VP of Digital Media, has a Twitter account where he's answering questions about all things Syfy - http://www.twitter.com/syfy I think that would be a better way to contact Syfy, rather than an email, as those things are usually generic autoresponses. Jason.cinema (talk) 01:01, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Anti-American?

i wouldn't have thought that sci fi/syfi was "anti-American", yet it states that in the opening sentence of the article...if someone can explain to me how this is supposed to sound, that would be great. as of now, it makes me think of anti-American protests in other countries...Osmo250 (talk) 16:49, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

It isn't, the article was vandalized. Vandalism has been removed. -- AnmaFinotera (talk · contribs) 17:04, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and Star Trek: Voyager on Syfy

Will Syfy ever acquire the broadcast rights to Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and Star Trek: Voyager sometime in the near future? AdamDeanHall (talk) 20:15, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

No since they are still being showing in syndication on other stations. Also, you will find your keys are in the jeans you left in the bathroom, the winning lottery numbers are 4,8,12,23,and 40. When you meet Jennifer tell her "the blue one". How the hell would anyone here know. Why don't you ask them what their plans are?

What's going to happen to WWE NXT on Syfy?

What's going to happen to WWE NXT on Syfy? Will it be canceled or moved to another station? AdamDeanHall (talk) 19:18, 17 August 2010 (UTC)