Talk:List of game engines

Engines that are free to use privately

there is no mention about the unreal editor that can be used with the disc or the UDK that has started being free to the public for a while then there's the far-cry engine but only students/evaluations can get one —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ronnie42 (talk • contribs) 12:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Engines Not Included

... and the reasons why.

3D Game Builder

Why when I add the 3D Game Builder (http://www.eternix.com.br/en/3dgamebuilder/) someone remove it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edirlei (talk • contribs) 20:13, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Didn't have an article, and had no claim of notability. Marasmusine (talk) 17:01, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Panda 3D

How come I don't see Engine Panda3D?

It's under freeware engines CaveyCoUk (talk) 16:17, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Quake III Engine?

The Quake III engine isn't here under open source or proprietary? It currently powers at least two OSS games, Open Arena and Tremulous, as well as Quake III: Arena, Quake III: Team Arena, Star Trek Elite Force II, Return to Castle Wolfenstein, Enemy Territory, Call of Duty, Call of Duty United Offensive, Soldier of Fortune II, Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy and Star Wars Jedi Knight II: Jedi Outcast. Check the article on the Quake III Engine :P.--68.126.148.14 06:51, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

It's now known as id tech 3, so it is in the list CaveyCoUk (talk) 16:16, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Other Engines

A short list of other engines that do not appear to be in the list.

• The engine for Freelancer || Microsoft Game someone could ask ^^
• GeoMod, as used in Red Faction

Although are these actually classed as something else?

G3D

This is not in the list, http://g3d-cpp.sourceforge.net/

Is it of any note? Been used in any notable games? Has it been discussed or reviewed by reliable sources? Marasmusine (talk) 16:21, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Adonthell

Although this is still under development, a demo game using it has been completed and released. Should engines under development be included in the list? Included or mentioned somewhere else? Myidbe (talk) 12:26, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Flixel

Flixel is a game engine that is used to produce games similar in appearance to early Atari games. Why wasn't it included in this?

Here's it's website.

http://flixel.org/

Sean 0000001 (talk) 05:40, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Isn't Flixel FrameWork rather than an ENGINE ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.198.126.89 (talk) 20:52, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

ORE ?

"ORE stands for Online RPG Engine"

ORE is not even mentioned - is it talking about OGRE? Zorruno 21:03, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

ORE refers to Online RPG Engine by Baronsoft : www.baronsoft.com - it is in NO WAY related to OGRE.

Yes, but OGRE is not a game engine is a 3D graphics engine.

List at bottom of page

Would it be feasible to do a list of engines (at least some of the major ones) at the bottom of specific game engine articles? (For instance, the winners of the World Poker Tour also have links to the other winners at the bottom of their pages.) Does anyone else think this might be a worthwhile idea? AJ Letson 15:14, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

NPOV

I removed the sentence 'Excellerates far above the rest of the Visual Basic ORPG engines' from the vbGORE engine. Descriptions should be neutral and not read like a commercial. I'm sure the users of the engine can decide for themselves how good it is. --General Hard 09:57, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

DARKSMASTER923

I'm not registered. I added Reality factory free open source engine and Deep Creator

Major and Minor engines

The previous division between "Major/Popular" and "Minor" engines was very subjective and unsubstantiated, so I combined the lists. If we're going to put the engines in different popularity categories, we need to have some kind of data to back it up and provide a tangible measure of popularity. Gremagor 01:57, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Vital engine

what's up with this engine? can somebody add it? my english is not the best :) here are some links: http://www.deep-shadows.com/en/gallery.php?pr=5 http://www.devmaster.net/engines/engine_details.php?id=35 greets

World of Warcraft

I know that this is probably out of line and only superficially related to the evolution of this article, but could somebody find out what engine Blizzard is using for World of Warcraft? And possibly what engine they are going to combine Havok with in the future? (They have no licensed Havok for PC and Mac.)

I haven't been able to find out what engine they're using. Or if its their own proprietary software, if anyone else is using it, or what its called, its development history, etc. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.206.83.152 (talk) 16:49, 21 March 2007 (UTC).

See here. Shinobu (talk) 19:10, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Available to license vs in-house engine?

I'm just wondering if this section couldn't be made more useful by including a listing as to whether an engine is available for licensing by third parties (like Unreal) or is strictly being used in-house by its creators.

Engine Overview

This table is a list of external links. Possibly some of them have Wikipedia articles. Since Wikipedia is WP:NOT a directory, I will first convert the external links to wikilinks, then remove those with no article. If anyone feels I have removed a notable game engine, feel free to create a stub for it (following WP:V policy, naturally) and pop it back in. Marasmusine 09:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I'll remove the whole thing. Beyond the fact that it's a badly designed table and the external links, it's sourced from another wiki (therefore unreliable per WP:Reliable sources and WP:EL) and riddled with POV. It's just not worth cleaning up.Marasmusine 09:17, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Differences?

Currently this article is not very useful because it just consists of a long list of names and commercial jingles. Some real meat on what the differences in capabilities between all these engines are would be appreciated. Shinobu (talk) 19:05, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest adding a column to the lists identifying the types of games the engine is for (ie; FPS, RTS, GG [god game, like Sims or Black & White], Racing... and so on) AndaleTheGreat (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:19, 26 October 2009 (UTC).

Freeware vs. Free Software ?

What's the difference ? --195.137.93.171 (talk) 08:53, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Read freeware and free software and you'll know. Shinobu (talk) 03:03, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

A lot of non-game engines in the list

A lot of these entires seem out of place, as they are not in any sense game engines. For example

• Visual3D.NET
• IMUSE
• EMotion FX
• Havok
• Euphoria

And im sure there are more. This is middleware software and not related to this list. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.151.47.91 (talk) 13:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

See also

Game Middleware and Game Engines links seem to link to the same page or is that me? 82.169.69.149 (talk) 20:21, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Separation

There should be a separation between those that are merely libraries and those that are more fully-featured —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.85.42.110 (talk) 01:02, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree with SineBot. For example, even by the admission of its author, OGRE is not a game engine but a 3D rendering engine.

Also it would be worthwhile to separate engine that are production ready (aka have working games) and those in construction or without any existing games. This would permit engine that are struggling to be included in the list without too much risk of being deleted as "not notable". yep - my engine OGE was removed because of this :/

--Steven Gay (talk) 04:17, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

dual-licenced engines

Quite a few engines are available under either commercial or free software licences, so why should they only be listed in one of the two sections (usually the free software one)? I say they shall be listed in both or in an extra section especially for them. RFC.

Also, what is up with the "Games and the game engines they use" table? There is not any need for that. -- Darklock (talk) 01:42, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Separate Quake based from non quake based in Free engines

We definitely need that done. This is so confusing! A feature table would be better. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.11.13.28 (talk) 16:17, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Freespace 2

I don't see it in the list, but where to add it? The source is freely available, but the license is for noncommercial use only; Is is technically freeware despite being commercially-owned? -98.17.4.3 (talk) 08:17, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Box2D

I suppose I may be wrong... it's been a while since I worked with Box2D, but I'm pretty sure that it doesn't do graphics. If it has any graphical support at all, its for debug purposes... it just has 2d physics. But as I said, it's been a while, I could be wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.41.42.31 (talk) 22:59, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

id tech <old> is still commercial

still since they are dual-licensed. You either can get a gpl version or if you want to close it, you pay it. (they'd hate bsd licence right?). --AaThinker (talk) 12:15, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

New Layout

I have been looking for a good 3D game engine for a few days now. This is the only page on Wikipedia that lists them in one place, but there is not much information about the engines on this page. I like the sortable table found on some similar pages (Yes, I know that I only linked to one, but I couldn't remember the others). I created a table like those, but was not able to fill most of the cells. I did not want to put it up onto the page until this was more complete, but I also did not want to have to look up the missing data myself. To compromise, I put it up on my userpage. When it has more information we can add it to the article, but until then you have permission to edit the table as you get more data. As a side note, shouldn't the words "game engine" be capitalized in the title of this page? Goldenrod111 (talk) 16:16, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

The table looks okay - good work. I'll take a closer look later today. Remember that this article should not be an exhaustive directory of all game engines (WP:NOT) - it is largely for navigation (WP:LIST) of existing WP game engine articles. The title should not be capitalized, as the subject is not a proper noun (WP:STYLE). Thanks, Marasmusine (talk) 09:33, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Horde3D

Horde3D is not currently in the list. It's released under EPL v1.0 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.171.62.176 (talk) 01:25, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Is it of any note? Been used in any notable games? Has it been discussed or reviewed by reliable sources? Marasmusine (talk) 08:39, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Istaria MMORPG

The article seems to be missing Istaria MMORPG (http://istaria.com). Game server uses Evolution engine and Intrinsic Alchemy engine is used for the core renderer. L (talk) 11:19, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

Leadwerks is commercial

Leadwerks engine is listed under "free open-source" section, but it is neither free, nor open source. Gregsharp1 (talk) 17:25, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

"Primary platfrom" - remove this

Who decided that there is a 'primary platform' for these engines? This column should be deleted or replaced by "supported platforms"--Qubodup (talk) 12:26, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

I agree, it results in most engines being said to support primarly Windows, with no reasons. Spidermario (talk) 13:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

 Done Marasmusine (talk) 13:48, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Panda 3D was *not* made by CMU

Please correct this statement. Panda 3D was made by Disney and later donated to CMU, who has added some features as many in the community do, they don't even maintain releases anymore as that is done by the community. They are definitely not the authors, but the owners. There's more information in the Panda3D article. Full disclosure: I'm a Panda3D developer. I think the article should read: "A relatively easy to use game engine made by Disney and used to produce some of their games. It is currently owned by the Carnegie Mellon University." Also, remove the python-driven mention, Python is the preferred language but Panda3D is actually a C++ engine with a very solid python binding. 62.57.4.12 (talk) 06:47, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Free and open source licenses

Should the Free / open source engines table include a column that indicates which license is used for the engine? It seems odd that we'd have a separate section for freely licensed engines, but not mention which free license the engine is available under. Reach Out to the Truth 21:03, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes. Marasmusine (talk) 08:44, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

“SDL”?

I cannot understand why there is a “SDL” column in the table. Could someone explain it, please?

Spidermario (talk) 18:20, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Simple DirectMedia Layer mark nutley (talk) 18:38, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

I know what the SDL is. I just do not understand why there should be an entire column for it. Spidermario (talk) 18:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

To show which engines support SDL mark nutley (talk) 18:38, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Then, why not add a column to show those which support Allegro? And those which support DirectX? And those which support OpenGL? And those which support GDI? Etc. That was the point. Spidermario (talk) 10:22, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Dunno, ask the guy who created the article mark nutley (talk) 10:31, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

The image File:SDL Layers.svg show that the library include DirectX and Xlib thus include multiple technologies and is related to the column cross-platform.DynV (talk) 07:14, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Free / open source engines column importance

Shouldn't the column Cross-platform? SDL? 2D oriented of Free / open source engines be ordered first? DynV (talk) 07:09, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

id tech 5 is NOT open source.

[1] Why is it in the open source list if id has said the engine is ONLY for Bethesda published works? Torinir ( Ding my phone My support calls E-Support Options ) 00:10, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I completely agree, therefore I did remove it from the list (it was also listed in the commercial section). ID announced they would very likely make it open source in the future, but it is not open source now. Satisf (talk) 17:23, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

“QT”?

Why QT is on list? QT != game engine