Talk:John Coleman (meteorologist)

news

• Weather Channel Founder: Global Warming ‘Greatest Scam in History’ --Striver - talk 12:30, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Degree

In what subject did Coleman receive his degree? I can't find anything. Raymond Arritt (talk) 05:48, 5 January 2008 (UTC) -Thank you! I was wondering the same thing. This article makes not mention of his education, does he even have any???

This source [1] lists him as COM which I assume is commerce.JQ (talk) 21:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Communications. 91.15.125.100 (talk) 21:02, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Unsourced views

• However, he has expressed hope that Gore will be sued for fraud, because he has allegedly sold carbon credits which he knew to be worthless.
• Coleman is of the opinion that a debate on Global Warming should be pursued as his expertise as a meteorologist and scientist is in conflict with the assertions that Vice President Gore makes in his oscar-winning documentary "An Inconvenient Truth". Gore has turned down the challenge to debate Coleman claiming "The debate on Global Warming is over." Coleman claims that Gore's movie is based on junk-science and that "Global Warming Alarmism" is some ploy for purposes that are anything but science.

Unless there is a source for these they should be deleted. ·:· Will Beback ·:· 19:29, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

The user inserting this passage is a vandal who has expressed a wish for a permanent ban. Maybe an admin could oblige.JQ (talk) 20:15, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Inaccurate/incomplete biography of John Coleman -- Newscaster

As currently presented, this article is inaccurate, incomplete and misleading. The article needs to be modified to contain critical lacking information, more about which is said below. Mr. Coleman's principal claim to fame resides in the fact that he has been an extremely vocal and outspoken critic of anthropogenic global warming. He has appeared on numerous TV shows and written several articles on this topic, where he has stridently attacked the notion of anthropogenic global warming. His articles and media appearances have garnered much public attention and reaction, and have been used by many in support of the proposition that anthropogenic global warming is a "scam." What is missing from the article, however, is the important fact that Mr. Coleman has no scientific, technical or engineering training or education (he has a degree in journalism), and possesses no expertise in climatology other than having read meteorological forecasts on TV prepared by others. This is critical information of which the public should be aware when assessing the efficacy and accuracy of Mr. Coleman's strong claims, who essentially holds himself out to the pubic as an "expert" on meteorology and climatology despite the fact that he is neither. In fact, Mr. Coleman's technical and scientific background is so weak that he could not today obtain certification by the American Meterology Society (AMS) as a Certified Broadcast Meteorologist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tundraline (talk • contribs) 14:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

So are there verifiable, reliable sources that he has no science training? That should be easy to find from a reliable source if it's the case. (Not some blog or something — we're talking about meeting WP:BLP standards here.) The claim that he wouldn't pass AMS certification would be especially hard to establish WP:verifiability for unless it is sourced from a truly well-established expert who has said so and himself has the credibility to be critiquing other people. --Closeapple (talk) 06:55, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

It is well established that Mr. Coleman earned a degree in journalism. I am unaware, and there is no public record, of Mr. Coleman possessing any academic certifications or qualifications in addition to his journalism degree. Moreover, I am unaware of any journalism program anywhere in the USA that requires students to take courses in science, engineering or even mathematics. A degree in journalism is a liberal arts degree, and confers no technical knowledge or training. Being that the preceding is by all appearances, and according to publicly available information, the case, Mr. Coleman could not today even sit for the AMS broadcaster's certification exam, which requires a certain minimum number of semester hours of coursework in meteorology or related disciplines. If Mr. Coleman nevertheless possesses technical training or a technical background of some sort that has somehow escaped the public eye, he should post it here on the page devoted to his biography so that we the public can be better informed about his background and perhaps arrive at the presently unfounded conclusion that Mr. Coleman is qualified to present a credible opinion about anthropogenic global warming.

I'm sorry to be the messenger of reality but John Coleman's claim to fame is a fifty two year career of putting his public credibility on the line every day with a reasonably correct weather forecast. Not, as you would imply, some sudden jumping on a bandwagon that challenges an ideological belief that is reaching fascist levels of reinforcement in the face of mounting doubt and evidence that this so called scientific process is inherently rigged. Coleman's interest in this is surely similar to mine- saving the planet from people who are pushing this at rush speed along with Kyoto and Cap and Trade schemes that have so far only accelerated the industrialization of third world nations with corrupt governments like China and India- the result? MORE conventional pollution, MORE GG emissions, and MORE people living industrialized lifestyles than before Kyoto was implemented. The jig is up and whatever the motivation was, cashing in on grants from companies like Siemens as the CRU pursued, or just sheer ignorance following the Green mantra they were selling as they cashed in, those of us who know the score are not going to be silent any longer.

The planet is being ruined alright. Humans in fear of living and those pointing fingers all have ulterior motives. As for Coleman lacking postgraduate degrees I guess you forgot there is a saying that "those who can't do, teach". All those decades he was out getting his hands dirty in his field, not in the protective environment of a University exchanging emails with colleagues conspiring to expel anyone who opposed them. If Coleman didn't know climate he'd not have a show and I would bet he hasn't taken the test for that certificate on his wall because he doesn't need to buy the window dressing of professional society credentials- as often as not located in a strip mall or PO box. Go to Coleman's Corner as linked in the article and see his historical account of Roger Revelle and Al Gore if you want to impeach someone's credibility. Do you care about Gore's bio?Batvette (talk) 05:10, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Large following

The article claims his views have found a 'large following' but see my hidden comment for why I fact tagged the sentence [2] Nil Einne (talk) 09:56, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

I think the more accurate analysis might be John Coleman is joining and possibly leading a LARGE MOVEMENT. Those of us with the audacity to think with our heads, not our hearts. Batvette (talk) 05:13, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Poorly referenced claims

This claim "Coleman has no education in the field of climate change. Coleman sees himself as an expert on weather (albeit a journalism degree), not on climate or climate change.[7][8]" - links to blog posts.

Surely random blog posts shouldn't be the basis of a such a bold claim about his education and academic suitability for making statements about climate change.

Additionally "Coleman has no education in the field of climate change" is more of an opinion that a statement. Are there any widly recognised bachelors degrees, or post grads in climate change? Sure there are plenty of researchers working on climate change, and it would be fair to say that My Coleman has not published papers on climate change.