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Travis S. Tarrants

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Most of this information is fabrication. Much of the rest is unsourced. Even with the sources I ran down this article doesn't seem to meet WP:NOTE

I suspect this is an attempt at vandalism, self-promotion, or pranking. MTHarden (talk) 15:14, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

This article is NOT vandalism, self promotion, or pranking, We are trying to add more reference, but instead of spending our time writing in the references we have to spend all our time defending ourselves in these "talk" rooms. How can you say most of this is fabrication? Do you know Travis Tarrants? Do you have the newspaper articles backing you up? Or the television interviews? We do have them, and will be listing them. The Pantheon Theatre has had a page on here for 2 years and no one has questioned if it worthy or notable enough to be on here, yet the person who has donated hundreds of thousands of his own money to save it from being torn down is being questioned? Does this make any since? Travis has also donated thousands to the Red Skelton Theatre and museum, Old Town Players Theatre, and the War of 1812 Commission! Last we checked wikipedia was a nonprofit that asks for donations, do you think he will give to you if he is not "GOOD" enough to be on here? You write most of the rest is unsourced, like we said if you give us time we will be add more information and sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.14.209.19 (talk) 05:43, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

I'll try to respond to your points in order. Firstly, this is not an attack, try to reframe yourself as a collaborator not a defender. The previous comments about problems on the article were presented in a genuine effort to help improve its quality. In fact the only efforts to improve the article have come from me. I say it is fabrication because Travis is not an international business magnate / millionaire. I don't know Travis personally but I am from Vincennes and I do know people who know him. I also don't know Tom Cruise but I understand why he is noteworthy. I don't know who Alison Stine is but I see why she isn't noteworthy. I don't think that local media coverage in Vincennes is enough to establish notability (see WP:NOTE) because if it were then there would be many more noteworthy people in Vincennes; it is a small town and small news makes the paper. The Pantheon is noteworthy and rightfully has an article, but every person who donates to noteworthy causes (even in a major way) doesn't necessarily merit their own entry. It has nothing to do with being "good" enough, I'm sure he's fine. I think the most appropriate place for information about Travis might be as a section on the Pantheon article. --MTHarden (talk) 13:29, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

This is Travis Tarrants. I was told someone made a page about me and that now there is arguement about the information on the page. I have read the page and all the information that is currently on it as I write this is correct. It is interesting what people write. First they said Im NOT an international business man/ millionaire, then in the very next sentence say they dont know me. They "know" this because they are from Vinncennes and know someone who "knows" me. Well Im NOT from Vincennes and spend little time there. NO one there knows my business there because I DO NOT spend time with or share my personal business or financial information with anyone from Vincennes. So if anyone from Vincennes says they "know" me as in know how much money Im worth or what all I do in business they are wrong! I already do business with China, India, Tiwain, Peru, Brazil, Mexico, Canada, Italy and many other countries. I am currently buying a business near New Albany for 3 Million dollars. This company already does business with the above countries and I plan to expand it. Also I have been in alot more than Vincennes small town news as the above writer puts it. I have been in 2 national PBS specials. I have been interviewed by NBC, ABC, CBS, and, FOX television stations. I have also been on numerous radio programs over the years in other cities. There is currently a reporter coming from France do to a story about the Pantheon since Vincennes was founded by the French plus the two men who built the Pantheon had just came back from fighting in 1919 France in WW1 and where inspired by a theatre they saw there. Plus the New York Times is sending 2 men to take photos of the Pantheon and do a story about the Old theatres in America. The 2 men are also writing a book and want the Pantheon to be in it. So as you can see I have been in more than Vincennes media. If anyone has any more questions about me they can email me at info@pantheontheatre.com Thank you Tstarrants (talk) 21:12, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Again, not an attack no need to get defensive. It is not important to know your personally, in fact it is preferable to not know you (to remain unbiased and objective - I'm sure you're a cool dude). Mr. Tarrants is hardly an unbiased objective source for information about himself. If there has been national media coverage then those unbiased and independent sources should be easy to produce and maybe that'll satisfy WP:NOTE. So far though I just found the Pantheon webpage (and articles about the Pantheon) reports in the sun-commercial (or linked back to the sun-commercial), the 1998 obituary of his step-dad, and a you-tube video of Mr. Tarrants speaking at a wedding of a guy who used to (and maybe still does) own a gaming store. Well those and several sites that link back to his wikipedia article. People regularly vandalize the Vincennes page and notable persons list, I'd like to take the article as a good-faith attempt, it would certainly help to have some verifiable, reliable third-party sources to back up the claims in the article. You might check out WP:BLPSOURCES for more information on what kind of sources are good. --MTHarden (talk) 00:30, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 16:43, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

• Delete. It seems that this person is indeed involved in various civic and cultural activities, but the claim that he is a "multi-millionaire business magnate, investor, industrialist, [and] real-estate developer" is unsourced. If this article is re-written to have all the facts in it cited to reliable independent sources, I may reconsider this recommendation. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:53, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
• Keep This person has been in newspapers, television and radio shows. We are still finding more ahows he has been on. The person above wrote that the claim Travis is a business magnate, investor,etc is not sourced BUT if you go to Bill Gates, Ted Turners, Warren Buffetts, Donald Trumps page the first line in ALL their page is just like this and not sourced. So are we going to delete them as well? This page should be kept and givin time to be improved! 99.14.209.19 (talk) 06:30, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
• Delete. To re-iterate my above comments succinctly, it seems like his notability hinges on his connection to the certainly notable Pantheon Theatre, and the information about him there seems sufficient. Otherwise he doesn't seem any more notable than these other business people up for deletion: William Douglass, Lewis Chambers, or Kumar Parakala. But ultimately as long as a good faith effort is made to present accurate NPOV facts, I guess it doesn't really hurt anything to include local business people. --MTHarden (talk) 16:48, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
• KEEP. I know for a fact Travis is more than a local business person. I do busisness with him from China, Japan, and Mexico. All the information on his page is accurate. 159.218.200.150 (talk) 19:43, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
• I have tried to improve this page several times but it keeps changing all the [[ to ## I am not sure why it does this and I am not doing it on purpose. So please give me time to improve this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.218.200.150 (talk) 21:02, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
• KEEP I have tried several times to improve this page but everytime I try it changes all my [[ to##. I am not doing this on purpose and need more time to add to this page. 159.218.200.150 (talk) 21:13, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
• KeepWe should keep this page it is continuing to improve. 165.138.37.20 (talk) 23:53, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
• Delete. As it was mentioned, there are remarkable claims being made in the article that need to be verified through reliable sources since otherwise they would most certainly fail WP:NPOV and qualify as WP:SPAM. As for being notable the sources already included are only listings were Mr Tarrants is included or they are about the work done to the Pantheon Theatre (which is already properly covered at that article), but nothing that serves to establish notability of Mr Tarrants himself. An online search produced a handful of hits but mostly from primary sources, while Gnews came out dry and Gbooks returned just one hit (again, about the theatre's restoration), and removing the middle name initial did nothing to improve the results. While the usual caveats applies, at this point notability is not met - frankieMR (talk) 00:11, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
• Keep Everyone seems to agree that the Pantheon Theatre is notable enough to have a page. Yet everyone seems to forget that the Pantheon would have been torn down without Mr. Tarrants. There would be no Pantheon without him! So the thing a person saves is notable but not the person who saved it? This makes no since. Also many who want to delete this page say they cant find much online. Here is a news flash, not everything is online. Many books, newspapers and radio interviews are not online. If you read the intire page Mr. Tarrants has done more than save the Pantheon. More information and references are being added to this page. This info and refs must be looked up at librarys and that takes time. We all cant be lazy and just type his name into our computers and expect everything about a persons life to come up. Someone has to actually spend the time and effort to do a real search to find good info about someone not just the little bit that come up from an internet search. Shane1776 (talk) 04:12, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
• Keep Everything on this page is now sourced except if he majored in history or not. Mr. Tarrants has been on National radio shows, television and newspapers. He is notable enough to be asked by the National parks service to speak at a National park because of his expertise in history. When someone is being asked by the Federal Government to speak at a Federal site for an event sponsored by the Federal Government then he is notable enough. Plus he has been asked to speak on a national radio show. So he is notable enough for wikipedia. Bbcrane (talk) 20:46, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
  • I wouldn't say that everything on the page is sourced other than the subject's college major. The lead, which states, "Travis S. Tarrants is an American muti-millionaire business magnate, investor, industrialist, real-estate developer and philanthropist. He is one of the youngest self-made millionaire entrepreneurs in the country.", is cited not to a particular article, but to a search page on a newspaper web site. The only article found in the search result is a broken link (and even if it were available, the link would probably expire within a few weeks), and it appears to be a list of people who have qualified for a bowling tournament. What that has to do with the subject being a multi-millionaire business magnate is unclear. By the same token, "Interviewed by Bob Crane for 'History of the Tarrants Family'" is not a proper citation of a source because there is no indication of where or in what medium "History of the Tarrants Family" is published or distributed. Is this a book or a television show or an article or what? --Metropolitan90 (talk) 21:14, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
  • I have found what I believe to be the article in the broken link mentioned above. This article is indeed a list of people who have qualified for a bowling tournament. It mentions a "Travis Pitchford" and a "Mike Tarrant" with no reference to Travis Tarrants. I will assume good faith that the editor who added this link had something else in mind (say, if a different, more relevant article had previously appeared in the search results which they linked), but nevertheless the current citation for the lead is not a relevant citation, and it needs to be replaced with a proper citation to a relevant article. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 21:20, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

**I am responding to the comments above by Metropiltan90. The reference was done in good faith but I now realize it is the wrong link I will keep looking for the proper link. I know the Chicago Sun-times did and article because I read it myself. I know the Indianapolis star did a story as well because I have the article in front of me but it was cut out of the newspaper so I dont have a date. When I go to the Stars website and do a search there is nothing about him, but I know they did the story because its right here in front of me! So I have some questions for everyone on here PLEASE HELP! 1ST I have this article about Mr. Tarrants from the Indy Star in front of me but I dont have a date and cant find it on their website so how do I source it?  2nd I know the Chicago sun times did a story because I read it but what if I cant find it on thier website? How do I source that? 3rd Plus the History of the Tarrants Family is a book I know because I have read part of it, Again how should it be referenced? 4th I also know he went to V.U. and I.U. and majored in history but how do you reference that? I have been to several other business mens page and there college and major is NOT referenced Plus the bloominton herald has also done stories but you have to pay on there website to get it!  I also read a magazine article about him and am looking fo it as well. So again Im just trying to improve this page and need some help and advice. Bbcrane (talk) 00:50, 18 May 2011 (UTC)