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Sword of Moonlight: King's Field Making Tool

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The article fails to indicate why the subject is notable, and I suspect the game fails WP:GNG. The article also fails to cite any outside sources. Inks.LWC (talk) 23:33, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. (G·N·B·S·RS·Talk) Inks.LWC (talk) 23:36, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Software-related deletion discussions. —Inks.LWC (talk) 23:36, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - For the record, I don't think there is any debate here. Seems like a formality. Not sure how things work myself, but my intent in this post is to preclude any possibility for actual deletion. Thank you Wikipedia for being so awesome --Truth Glass (talk) 03:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I am unable to find significant coverage about this RPG making software to establish notability. There's forum chatter about it but those aren't reliable sources. RPG Gamer and Gamespot noted that the game was going to be released. But that's not substantial coverage. What is needed are multiple reviews in reliable sources, and I was unable to find any. -- Whpq (talk) 13:22, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah Right - It's a Japanese product. Here is the Gamefaqs break down [1]. It seems to confirm that the product was released. I'd appreciate if Wikipedians who do not regularly import video games etc not weigh in on the matter. If you seriously want to find coverage, websearch it with relevant Japanese language terms. Not withstanding Japanese coverage of stuff online tends to be more volatile and Japanese websites were pretty sparse around the turn of the century. That said there's plenty of user discussion in English to be found. A lot more than most video game products enjoy because we're not talking about a passive user experience here.

@any other detractors, please see the arguments in the article discussion page before posting. --12.213.80.54 (talk) 06:19, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The discussion at the article talk page provides no indication that this article meets our inclusion guidelines, nor does the existence of an entry for it at GameFAQs establish notability either. If you have evidence of notability in the form of coverage in reliable sources, please bring them forward. -- Whpq (talk) 09:54, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:52, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion is a waste of time - I realize things are supposed to be notable. But by association, if a musical artist is world famous, and they release a somewhat experimental song or album, or maybe do something outside their normal capacity as an artist, like design a synthesizer. Even if that work does not make headlines, and its just a footnote to most of the world population who don't need a synthesizer of that design, it's still notable within the context of that notable person, because people want to know a totality of information, albeit not in complete detail when in Encyclopedia form.

In this case we have a very famous corporation, one of the top few most popular game studios in Japan, having released (more than a decade ago) a very unique product that lets people make their versions of a game which a number of people will assert is the best video game ever to be created so far in human history. Sure it's in Japanese, but that's a minor stepping block in this day and age. Sure it's more than a decade old, so finding brick and mortar sources is going to be next to impossible. But anyway here is the best and last argument I can find[2], what we have is a collection of From Software products on an official website. The product in question is the biggest box in the photograph. It's hard to deny the product exists and is not notable to people seeking information. Consider a person who just enjoyed King's Field, and comes to Wikipedia to find information. A single mini paragraph on the main KF page saying there is software for making your own KF games and nothing more is just going to lead to frustration. Who would not want to read more about that without having to go outside of Wikipedia for basic information? There are hundreds of classic PlayStation games on the Japanese PlayStation Network, all of them are better than the current gen PlayStation games for the most part, but 99% are less notable than Sword of Moonlight. What's on display here is a policy of ignorance when taken to the extreme. Good day gentlemen --67.54.192.52 (talk) 01:04, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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+'''This discussion is a waste of time''' - I realize things are supposed to be notable. But by association, if a musical artist is world famous, and they release a somewhat experimental song or album, or maybe do something outside their normal capacity as an artist, like design a synthesizer. Even if that work does not make headlines, and its just a footnote to most of the world population who don't need a synthesizer of that design, it's still notable within the context of that notable person, because people want to know a totality of information, albeit not in complete detail when in Encyclopedia form.
+In this case we have a very famous corporation, one of the top few most popular game studios in Japan, having released (more than a decade ago) a very unique product that lets people make their versions of a game which a number of people will assert is the best video game ever to be created so far in human history. Sure it's in Japanese, but that's a minor stepping block in this day and age. Sure it's more than a decade old, so finding brick and mortar sources is going to be next to impossible. But anyway here is the best and last argument I can find[http://www.fromsoftware.jp/not-xmas09/], what we have is a collection of From Software products on an official website. The product in question is the biggest box in the photograph. It's hard to deny the product exists and is not notable to people seeking information. Consider a person who just enjoyed King's Field, and comes to Wikipedia to find information. A single mini paragraph on the main KF page saying there is software for making your own KF games and nothing more is just going to lead to frustration. Who would not want to read more about that without having to go outside of Wikipedia for basic information? There are hundreds of classic PlayStation games on the Japanese PlayStation Network, all of them are better than the current gen PlayStation games for the most part, but 99% are less notable than Sword of Moonlight. What's on display here is a policy of ignorance when taken to the extreme. Good day gentlemen --[[Special:Contributions/67.54.192.52|67.54.192.52]] ([[User talk:67.54.192.52|talk]]) 01:04, 1 July 2011 (UTC)