Talk:November Rain

Longest Song

This song is claimed to be the longest song on the top 20, but wasn't No More Tears (Enough is Enough) by Donna Summer and Barbra Streisand longer (11:43)?

It's unclear which version of that song charted. Only one version is actually longer than "November Rain". GrimmC (talk) 23:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Was this song based on a short story or novel by author Del James?

--> It was based on the short story "Without You" by Del James. If I remember correctly, it can found in the compilation book "The Language of Fear". Solidius 14:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I've added the short story to the Wikipedia article over November Rain. Included is a link to the actual website. However, the whole story is on the November rain wiki entry. You're welcome.

October Rust

a pun on the title of November Rain?

• Possibly, but I would like to see some statements from the Type O Negative bandmembers that support this theory before I believe it. -- SoothingR^(pour) 08:44, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Who else worked on this recording?

Was it just the band using synths, or were there any contribution from session musicians? --Robert Merkel 04:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Rock 1000 2006 NZ

Here is a cite for this: http://www.therock.net.nz/Music/tabid/68/articleID/478/Default.aspx

Dunno if it is suitable, or how to cite, so thought I'd whack it here for someone to incorporate.

• Can this please be rephrased? The segment "an annual countdown of the top 1000 rock songs by New Zealand radio listeners" makes this sound like New Zealand radio listeners, in general, voted. The Rock isn't a bad station, but it certainly isn't indicative of all NZ radio listeners. kabl00ey 22:04, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Epic Ballads?

It says in the article "At 8 minutes and 57 seconds, it is an epic rock ballad (in the tradition of "Hotel California," "Dry County," "Stairway to Heaven," "Free Bird," "Won't Get Fooled Again" and "Bohemian Rhapsody")" A couple of those songs really don't qualify as epic ballads, but just long songs. Can someone take a few out or something?

Longest Guitar Solo in Top 10 Hit?

The reference given doesn't seem to say anything about it that is ironclad, and I don't believe it to be true either... remove it? -mustangwill —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mustangwill (talk • contribs) 19:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Hard rock?

How can anyone call this a hard rock song? It doesn't even feature any elements of rock music until 3 minutes into the song. I've tried every genre I can think of that's more suitable, but every time it gets reverted. There's no denying that this isn't a hard rock song either though. What should the infobox say?
--Rock Soldier 19:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Hard rock songs can be hard rock and still be mellow or slow. The genre isn't just 3 chord bar band blues played in 4/4 time. It can be performed with just a single acoustic guitar or piano just as easy as it can be performed with twin leads, a wailing frontman and a pounding rhythm section. 156.34.218.39 19:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Hard rock played on an acoustic guitar or piano isn't hard rock, it's hard rock replicated acoustically. There's a very, very fine line between hard rock and a symphonic ballad. This song does indeed progress to a hard rock point towards the end, but it is not a hard rock song. Categorizing it as hard rock is saying that it is a song written similarly to most of Guns N' Roses other songs, saying that when it comes to genre, "November Rain" lies side-by-side with "Welcome to the Jungle". Please reconsider. Guns N' Roses indeed are a hard rock band, but that does not mean that every song they play is hard rock. Especially not this one.

--Rock Soldier (talk) 20:33, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. It's not "Patience," but it's not "Sweet Child" either. Probably most accurate to say that it's one of the softer songs (even including classical arrangements) by a band that was generally known for its hard rock singles. Some historians/critics (e.g., Chuck Klosterman) would put GNR into the Hair Band category, and the "power ballad" was something of a staple in that genre. C d h (talk) 16:13, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Hard rock fused with blues, Rock balled, rock and roll,smooth jazz, and progressive rock? Here's my theory, the song gives off a feeling that the artist is pushing through smoke simmaler to that seen in hard rock and progressive rock when Axl's lyrics kick in. It also builds up like progrssive rock. Axl also sings kind of Bluesy in this song, Slash's solos' also sound bluesy and have hints of smooth jazz. As for Rock and Roll, picture the opening played on accoustic guitar aside from the piano part, it has hints of early beatles, and I do not believe there would be any requirements for what instruments rock and roll is played with in order to be catagorised as rock and roll. Ihe piano part does sound like a rock balled in the intro for sure, no matter how I picture it, unless I picture it played on a saxophone in which it only has hints of a rock balled and is soft jazz, again, no requirements. The ending is a fusion of a hard rock and blues. The orchestra definatly sounds like a rock balled aside from the intro which does until you analisise it. Maybe it should look like this Rock and Roll, Rock Balled, and smooth jazz(?) (intro) hard rock, progresive rock, rock balled, and blues (general) hard rock and blues (ending) blues and smooth jazz (guitar solo's) who see's what I am thinking here? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.198.113.60 (talk) 16:42, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Question of her death "November Rain"

September 26, 2007

Hello there,

I have always been qurious to know how Axles wife in the video November Rain passes away so suddenly. If the video is clear on how she dies then i must be missing something. I noticed a mirror in the coffin, i was told she was shot. Can someone tell me what really happend. This song has captivated me since i was twelve and it still does now, even twelve years later "November Rain" remains a favorite to me.

Thank You,

J Lindberg

-Just before Slash's first solo, I believe, you can see Axl walking by a gun store. I assume he bought a gun, which Seymour used to kill herself, hence the mirror-line down her face. 72.241.105.214 21:29, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

It's all in the article, take a look.

--Rock Soldier (talk) 20:34, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

The article suggests she was trampled by guests when the more likely inference is that it was a gunshot wound (likely self-inflicted). Had someone try to tell me that she died by jumping through the wedding cake. 118.210.228.53 (talk) 22:19, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Since my edit pertains to this section, I thought that I'd announce it here. I deleted the line, "It's also highly plausible that that perhaps Slash melted her face off with a rockin' guitar solo." because, quite frankly, this is really stupid and totally betrays the serious nature of the video. While all the other theories presented are credible (although it would be nice to have site sources of others who have analyzed the video), I think the "rockin' guitar solo" theory is so rediculous that it's not worth even mentioning. Most likely that it was added by some hardcore fan who thought it would be funny. 64.73.44.244 (talk) 15:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Tags

Funeral looked at this article and said we can probably get rid of the weasel words and needs references tags, any comments? (And can Joe Schmo users even take those tags off?) I certainly think it can do without them myself. GrimmC (talk) 00:33, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Expensive music video

The article says that the song is "currently the 13th most expensive music video ever", but it is only number 17 on this list. Should this part of this article be updated, perhaps? Rom maniac (talk) 04:55, 12 July 2009 (UTC) also estranged by guns n roses is more expensive at $4million, which could be mentioned

Symphonic rock

This song is not symphonic rock. Please provide a source to confirm this edit. FateForger (talk) 20:58, 4 July 2010 (UTC)