Talk:Zoroastrianism

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Zurvan

I totally disagree, this article IS COMPLETELY BIASED TOWARDS A SPECIFIC SECT OF ZOROASTRIANISM, AS A BELIEVER IN ZURVAN, THE GOD OF THE 3 AGES OF TIME, YOUTH, MATURITY AND OLD AGE, a far superior version of zoroastrianism that the one imposed by the impious believers of Aura Mazdha, I will continue fighting the HERETICS of the truth of infinite time —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.106.81.44 (talk) 07:44, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Influence on Judaism and Christianity

Why do I sense a tinge of political correctness on this issue? The Encyclopedia Britannica, which has far more credibility than Wikipedia, states in it's Zoroastrianism article "It is likely that Zoroastrianism influenced the development of Judaism and the birth of Christianity." This article could say at least that much.69.112.90.253 (talk) 21:47, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Actually, we're more credible than the Encyclopedia Brittannica. However, there should indeed be something about that. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:23, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

"probably founded" revision and citation needed

The article states, "It was probably founded some time before the 6th century BCE in Persia (Iran)." It would be better if it gave a reference for the date and place, so readers would know what sources indicated the date and place it was founded.

Jacob81 (talk) 05:18, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

That information (with sources) is covered later in the article. The lede is supposed to be a summary of the article's main points, so it doesn't need as many citations (in fact, a perfect lede would probably have no citations). Ian.thomson (talk) 13:42, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

It wasn't found in Persia. The size of Persia was much smaller than modern day Iran. And it was located in south West Iran only. If you look at the Median Empire map you will see Persia as a vassal state of the empire. Thats how big it was and there is no proof that it was found there. There is only proof that Zoroastronism was the religion of Ancient Persia though. It is said that Zoroaster spread this religion. Well it doesn't say anything about him being born or living in South West Iran. There is proof though that he was born and lived in either North West or North East Iran and in those places no Persians populated the area and today still no Persians populate the area. I suggest we delete that it was found in Persia and instead we say it was found in the Land of Aryans. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.7.106.197 (talk) 18:01, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

New external link with lots of new information

Hi, i want to add the following external link:

http://www.wisdomlib.org/zoroastrianism/book/a-manual-of-khshnoom/index.html

It is a massive guide to Khshnoom, an occult movement of Zoroastrianism, and can help other users of wiki to research and enter new information for this. Ofcourse it is also helpfull to everyone interested in Zoroastrianism.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xoloitzcuintle (talk • contribs) 10:53, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Updated Link

The article "ZOROASTRIANISM i. HISTORICAL REVIEW" by William L. Malandra for Encyclopaedia Iranica now is accessed at: http://www.iranicaonline.org/articles/zoroastrianism-i-historical-review

Editorial Staff Encyclopaedia Iranica 160.39.32.153 (talk) 19:36, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

It was not found in Persia

Can someone edit that it wasn't found in Persia? Persia was much smaller and it was in modern South Western Iran which is quite small. And can also add that the Prophet Zoroaster was from Medya or Modern Kurdistan? There is evidence he was born In Medya / Modern Kurdistan. Also can someone add that the oldest and biggest temple is The Fire Temple? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.7.106.197 (talk) 17:45, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

What was not found in Persia? As for the birthplace of Z, that's not known. Can you identify "the fire temple" and explain what you mean by 'oldest and biggest'? Paul B (talk) 18:27, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

As for the birth of Zoroaster, I said the same thing as you but when I did some research about it I did find that he was born in the Kurdish part of Iran. Its a recent discovery that not many know about yet. Also this is the website for the Fire Temple. http://zoroastrians.net/2010/03/05/largest-oldest-zoroasterian-fire-temple-of-kurdistan/ There is many more websites. Just write in google the Biggest Zoroastronism Fire Temple. It will give you a list of websites with the same answers.

I also meant Zoroastronism was not found in Persia. It was found in Modern Iran but definitely not in Persia. During the Median empire Persia was a vassal state and that was what the shape of Ancient Persia was.

I also do not want you to think that I am from Kurdistan. I am actually from the Netherlands and I know a lot about Zoroastronism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.7.106.197 (talk) 09:53, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Zoroaster was either born in North Western Iran or North Eastern Iran. Can someone add that aswell? http://books.google.com/books?id=Uspf6eDDvjAC&pg=PA17&lpg=PA17&dq=Zoroaster+was+born+in+North+west+iran&source=bl&ots=OMynfA4kXb&sig=OSbQlXuGz-Ws1UKbTdkTBBFFejM&hl=en&ei=WHNzTsXhLIyEhQeMqdHTDA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Zoroaster%20was%20born%20in%20North%20west%20iran&f=false — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.7.106.197 (talk) 16:06, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Fascinating !!! Most scholars, even Western scholars, believe that Zoroaster was born in Afghanistan. This is also the view of the sources in Wikipedia, just see under Zoroaster page for his place of birth. These things cannot be decided based on political allegiance and nationalism. You need proof. The most important thing to consider is the geography covered in Avesta, the holy book of Zoroastrianism. In that book, there are NO MENTION of either Medians nor Persians. All the lands described are in today's Afghanistan or its immediate surroundings. The greatest scholar from Harvard University actually places him in MIDDLE of Afghanistan, where you have the Buddhist statues (just read the page about Zoroaster, this debate was already settelled). His place of death is also known as Balkh, as also mentionned in Ferdowsi's Shanameh.--Kasparov49acer 08:41, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Also, Avestan was an Eastern Aryan language, spoken in Bactria and Eastern Afghanistan, it was not spoken in Media or Persia, which actually didn't even exist at that time. It was centuries after that Zoroastrianism spread to Media and Persia.--Kasparov49acer 08:47, 26 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamaweiss (talk • contribs)

If you are going to change my edits, please have the curtosy of providing an explanation. I did explain a great deal above, and provided you with enough proof as well.--Kasparov49acer 08:50, 26 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamaweiss (talk • contribs)

By the late 20th century, some scholars had settled on an origin in Eastern Iran and/or Central Asia (to include present-day Afghanistan): Gnoli proposed Sistan (though in a much wider scope than the present-day province) as the homeland of Zoroastrianism; Frye voted for Bactria and Chorasmia;[15] Khlopin suggests the Tedzen Delta in present-day Turkmenistan.[16] Sarianidi considered the BMAC region as "the native land of the Zoroastrians and, probably, of Zoroaster himself."[17] Boyce includes the steppes of the former Soviet republics.[18] The medieval "from Media" hypothesis is no longer taken seriously, and Zaehner has even suggested that this was a Magi-mediated issue to garner legitimacy, but this has been likewise rejected by Gershevitch and others.--Kasparov49acer 08:53, 26 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yamaweiss (talk • contribs)

How can Zoroaster be born in North East Iran, if there is no mention of Parthians in Avest ??? Also, Parthians were Western Iranians, while Zoroaster spoke Avestan.--Kasparov49acer 08:58, 26 October 2011 (UTC)