Talk:Philip Morris International

Petterøe's

They took over the Petterøe's brand of Tiedemann in 2009 88.91.148.119 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:06, 2 October 2010 (UTC).

Philip Morris

• Stupid question: was Philip Morris a real person, and if yes, do we have his bio somewhere ?

He's mentioned as the founder of the original company in Altria Group, but his bio doesn't exist as a separate article. White 720 (talk) 16:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

the full story

This page has not nearly enough information (i.e none at all) on what philip morris really does: it sells a product that has only one purpose: to deliberately kill its customers. This company and its executives are responsible for the misery and murder of hundreds of thousands of people every years, including many children through passive smoking. No mention of that anywhere? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 180.216.9.138 (talk) 15:41, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I deleted the 'history' section - it was a bland, non-encyclopedic list.

Given that this section wasn't covered here, I assume that this was a non-controversial edit. Colonel Tom 10:37, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

It's not a great list, and is presumably ripped from their corporate site, but I'd rather leave it in until we can find some other material on the company. --Brandonfarris (talk) 11:01, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

I'd rather leave it out. It serves no useful purpose apart from advertising the company. Colonel Tom 11:13, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't advertise the company, so much as provide a version of the historical events that leads us to its current state. I'll be restoring it in time in a different and more appropriate form but perhaps instead of just deleting it you could do some actual work on it. There must be lots of historical material on this company other than its own corporate site. --Brandonfarris (talk) 11:34, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

It does advertise the company. I would like to suggest that you shan't be restoring it without some support from editors that aren't affiliated with tobacco companies. Colonel Tom 12:19, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't agree it advertises the company, there are plenty of reasons to edit it into a more encyclopedic form, something I encourage you to do, whether you are affiliated with tobacco companies or otherwise. I make no accusations about your affiliations with tobacco companies or whatever, I merely judge the edits as I see them. I have already added some material that explains the context in which PMI operates which will hopefully make for a better article. --Brandonfarris (talk) 12:30, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Given that you'd said "It doesn't advertise the company", and I responded with "It does advertise the company", your "I don't agree it advertises the company" was, frankly, assumed. Feel free to surprise - but please do so without regurgitating corporate lists and/or corporate guff in yr edits. :) Colonel Tom 12:46, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Please familiarise yourself with WP:AGF before making further reflections upon my edits. The article isn't in great shape, happy to work with you to improve it but please first lose the personal hostility, it's not appropriate. --Brandonfarris (talk) 13:30, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Controversies

Was thinking of a list of PMI controversies that should be in the article. Are there any others?

• Plain packaging - Australia
• Attempting to influence government policy - including political donations
• Litigation from smokers and passive smokers
• Brand name sponsorships/marketing/promotion
• Investors pressured over holding stock in PMI

--Brandonfarris (talk) 13:58, 19 December 2011 (UTC)