Talk:List of films considered the worst

Three films that should be on the list

Why aren't Bio-Dome (1996), Baby Geniuses (1999) and Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever (2002) on this list? I think Ballistic: Ecks vs. Sever was even on the list at one point, so why was it taken down? Obviously there are a lot more films that should be listed here, but I feel like at least these three should be included. --Angakoq (talk) 20:21, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

Baby Geniuses 2 (considered worse than 1 I think) was listed here on the strength of its 1# spot on the imdb bottom 100. Someone decided that wasn't enough to keep it and no one objected. IIRC it had no sources calling it the worst per se. The situation is similar with Ballistic; although it has a perfect 0% rating on Rotten Tomatoes it had no sources calling it the worst (or words to that effect), so it was removed. It might be re-added on the fact that it was deemed RT's worst of the 2000-2009 decade ([1]). It's also impressive that RT couldn't find a single positive review of 108 they list for the film.--Sus scrofa (talk) 21:03, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

You've uncovered the big problem with this article (and the reason it was nominated for deletion): there are no objective criteria for inclusion. The quasi-accepted criteria seem to be that "one 'qualified' reviewer has called it 'the worst'" or "more than one 'qualified reviewer' has called it 'one of the worst'", but there's a lot of subjectivity there and there are plenty of exceptions to these rules. I would claim that having a 0% at RT is sufficient cause for inclusion, so try it and see. It all comes down to how hard you're willing to argue for inclusion versus how hard someone else is willing to argue to keep it off. For example, go back in the archives and study the epic battle it took to get a no-brainer like "Highlander II" on the list :)Prebys (talk) 13:20, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

I've been fighting to get They Saved Hitler's Brain and Alien Beasts on the list, but the problem is finding professional reviews of the films that state that they're the worst. I haven't really found any professional reviews at all. I believe They Saved Hitler's Brain was given a Golden Turkey Award, but I don't think all Golden Turkey Award Winners automatically make it on here.--Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 16:37, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

"At Long Last Love" made it in with a Golden Turkey and an entry in Medved's book and "Myra Breckenridge" made it in with only Medved's book, so it seems like "Hitler's Brain" should make it with a Golden Turkey and the fact TV guide called it "one of the all-time worst", so give it a shot. Like I said, it all comes down to how much someone else doesn't want it on the list.Prebys (talk) 08:11, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Ballistic: Ecks vs Sever

The 2002 movie Ballistic:Ecks vs Sever needs to be returned to this list. It was taken off several months ago during the massive cleanup. Here are a few reasons why it should be returned. It was a colossal box office flop. It is on Roger Ebert's most hated list, With ebert giving it half a star out of four calling the movie "an ungainly mess, submerged in mayhem, occasionally surfacing for cliches". Guylaine Cadorette of hollywood.com Remarked "Ballistic: Ecks Vs. Sever has to be one of the worst films ever made. Sadly, you almost have to see it to believe it." Various other critics gave it ever more damning reviews; Nick Rogers of state journal-register stated "The backyard battles you staged with your green plastic army men were more exciting and almost certainly made more sense", and Rob Vaux of flipside movie emporium said in his review "You'll have more fun setting fire to yourself in the parking lot. You'll be more entertained getting hit by a bus". Most notably, this movie is also the single worst reviewed movie on rotten tomatoes; 108 critics weighed in, not a single one of them gave it a good review. This earned it the number 1 spot on rotten tomatoes worst of the worst list. The worst of the worst list contains the worst reviewed movies of 2000 to 2009, The includes a few movies that are currently on the 'list of films considered the worst' page (IE Battlefield Earth and Alone In The Dark) and This movie outranked all of them — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.9.186 (talk) 17:44, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

You make a strong case for inclusion, the case for inclusion of Ballistic seems at least as strong as several other films currently on the list.--Sus scrofa (talk) 11:58, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

The Hottie and the Nottie (2008)

How about this movie...it had been criticized a lot and it gains nothing but Razzie awards. Also Paris Hilton has been criticizes a lot in this badly produced movie. --Syukri Abd Rahman (talk) 06:46, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Does it have any sources calling it the worst? Not every Razzie winner is listed here.--Sus scrofa (talk) 18:09, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

The Giant Claw/House of the Dead/Batman & Robin

Why Isn't The Giant Claw on this list, it was laughable.

And also, don't forget about House of the Dead.

Batman & Robin should really be added.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.153.35 (talk • contribs)

It's all about having sources calling them the worst. I know Batman & Robin was ranked as the worst film by an audience poll by Empire Magazine [2] --Sus scrofa (talk) 12:39, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

In Public Opinion Polls, Batman & Robin is one of the worst films ever. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.101.153.149 (talk) 21:13, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Could you provide examples of such polls? (Beside the Empire poll I already mentioned.)--Sus scrofa (talk) 21:16, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Bolero (1984)

I tried adding it on this list earlier, because not only were there enough Razzies, but I had plenty of resources citing it as one of the worst. Yet someone keeps taking it off. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.103.165.170 (talk) 08:42, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Could you reproduce the text here so that it can be judged? I can't find it among your contributions (guess you have a non-static IP).--Sus scrofa (talk) 12:28, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Removal of "globalize" tag

The "globalize" tag was recently removed with the motivation: "This is a fairly ridiculous request considering where films get made." I don't see how this is correct as there are several non-US film producing markets with great output (China/Hong Kong, India, Nigeria ("Nollywood"), Japan). Indian films outnumber US production.[3] According to Cinema of Nigeria, Nollywood produces 1000-2000 films a year. There are also significant film industries in Germany, France, the UK and Spain among other places.--Sus scrofa (talk) 12:54, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

The "globalize" tag was clearly removed by an ignoramus.--Scottandrewhutchins (talk) 13:37, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I'm an ignoramus. Now name a single source outside the United States that compiles film reviews. I'm waiting, non-ignoramuses. Shii (tock) 13:43, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

That was not your original argument ("This is a fairly ridiculous request considering where films get made."). I've tried before to bring up the dearth of non-US sources but didn't get much of a response (response: "cinema is a more serious buisness in the United States"). I also suggested that maybe the article should be renamed "List of US films considered the worst" or some-such (maybe "English language films considered the worst") in order to comply with wikipedia guidelines ("if there are no reliable sources about a subject there should be no article about it", paraphrased) as there is no global corps of critics that judge films from the whole world and then select the worst. The current title implies a global view, yet there is not a single non-English language film on it. Looking at list of films considered the best, they have divided the list into country by country sections, a possible solution for this article too, if relevant sources can be found.--Sus scrofa (talk) 14:23, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

How about we just add another section for outside the U.S., and when we learn of a hitherto unknown Nigerian version of RottenTomatoes, we can add their lowest ranked movies there. Shii (tock) 01:21, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

RT isn't the sole factor deciding whether a film is listed here or not. Ballistic: X vs. Sever has 0 out of 108 RT score but was removed anyway. I find it hard to believe that there are no non-US critics who ever deemed a film the worst, but there is no need to create sections until such sources are found. I can only reiterate that perhaps the article should be moved to a more fitting name.--Sus scrofa (talk) 01:54, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

See if you can find more than what I listed here; I did a thorough search of Japanese and French sources. Shii (tock) 03:01, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

See those italian movies: "Troppo belli" and "Cattive ragazze".--79.18.83.24 (talk) 19:27, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Adding The Last Airbender

Can I add the movie The Last Airbender to the article? It recieved tremendously negative reviews, with numerous rassberry awards nominated and won, and was declared by many critics as the Worst Movie Ever Made.

Hope to see a reply soon. --TheSandwhichWriter (talk) 15:26, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Could you give some example of critics calling it the worst?--Sus scrofa (talk) 16:27, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Here's a links. http://www.eonline.com/news/last_airbender_worst_movie_ever/188788, and it has 6% on rottentomatoes.com. It's on it its bottom list, but I take fault for not giving full information. I just read the articles in detail, and the critics cited the film as the worst film of year, not ever.

But there's some really defective points about the film which makes it laughably bad. The screenplay was horrible, and the "airbenders" were nicknamed by their friends in the film "benders", which is also a term for homosexual. Also, the visual effects were horrible, as deemed by many critics.

Here's another link to show my instance. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/last_airbender/

TheSandwhichWriter (talk) 04:44, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

My proposition

I personally think 2012: Doomsday, is worst movie. 16% of RT. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/2012-doomsday/ --91.213.255.7 (talk) 02:28, 25 December 2011 (UTC)