Talk:Goguryeo

Gaia1CB3's insistence of a naming 'speculation'

Look Gaia1CB3, pre-Jumong Goguryeo was known as Guryeo/Guru, which means 'castle' in the Goguryeo language. The 'Go' (high) was added during Jumong's reign. High castle. No thirteen speculations. Really simple. Akkies (talk) 05:55, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

If you are certain the other speculations then remove them. Your speculation come from Records of Three Kingdoms, 溝漊者句麗名城也. It is not 句麗 means 'castle', think.Gaia1CB3 (talk) 15:36, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Is goguryeo ancient?

I think the phrase "Goguryeo or Koguryŏ (Korean pronunciation: [koɡuɾjʌ]) was an ancient kingdom ..." should be changed. I think the the kingdoms period is the end of the ancient times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.17.93.7 (talk) 18:44, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Is it a medieval kingdom? Never heard so. Goguryeo reigned over the area from B the CE, so it should be an ancient kingdom, probably. Kfc18645 talk 12:55, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

recent editwarring

Two recent editors seem to be tag-teaming me for removing uncited and improperly cited text, that stops now. The issue is not whether I personally can read kanji. This is the English-language Wikipedia. Therefore, sources should be in a language the people who come here can read, per http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Non-English_sources . Stop the ad-hominem attacks and the nationalist rants, and stick to Wikipedia policy. Next revert with the slightest attack gets reported. --Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 04:24, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Sources should be in English, unless no English source/translation is available. However, per those same guidelines, "When citing a source in a different language, without quotations, the original and its translation should be provided if requested by other editors." Kintetsubuffalo's comment above is clearly a request for the original text and its translation. —C.Fred (talk) 11:59, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

This has been reported as the personal attacks continue. Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--Chris (クリス • フィッチ) (talk) 03:29, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

About the infobox king list...

It lists the 4th king as Yeongyang. I don't think that he is really important in Goguryeo- I think it should be changed. Was there a discussion about this, or can I fix it now? Kfc18645 talk 12:58, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Sino-caucasian name ?

My ethnic is Caucasian Avar , my Korean brothers. As you know we Avars live in North Caucasus. Our Sino-Caucasian ancestors were (da bizi / ang mo lang / Hunnic kings )the rulers of old China and Asia. But they were leave Asia because of East Asian tribes' rebellions.

in Caucasian Avar language : гогари GO-GA-Ri= making war гогарухъан GO-GA-RU-GKHAN = warrior

What was the your Gogurio Kingdom's Gogurio name's mean ? is it was about war ? Thank you - so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Avaristan (talk • contribs) 08:27, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Samguk Sagi

What does it mean to say the Samguk Sagi was only composed of facts? Are we referring to its having been compiled from other sources? In context it seems to imply there are no factual errors. 222.109.146.73 (talk) 23:36, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Samguk Sagi was written and first published in 1145AD as a Goryeo government project. The book's content was based on both Korean and Chinese sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jhhwang7 (talk • contribs) 14:26, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Emperor Taizong of Tang's injury caused by arrow to the Taizong's eye??

There are some erronous paragraphs related to the Taizong's injury. Zizhitongjian did not specify the cause or the nature of the injury, and it is purely speculation that the Taizong is injured by an arrow to his eye. In addition, the Taizong did not succumb to his injury soon after as he lived 4 years after the battle of Ansi. We can state here as "it is speculated by Korean sources that…while most of other historical records did not specify the nature or cause of" instead of current description. And the source of 29 should be removed as the source 29 is a cross-reference to Zizhi Tongjian which contradicts to the description in the article of Goguryeo and thus it is a false citation. The 30 is a Korean source so it should act a speculation source instead.

At the meantime, as stated above, the description "Taizong is believed to have died after the failed invasion...he got more and more mentally unstable as the Tang army repeated defeats. He was…..pain and stress" is groundless and purely speculation based on the Korean source alone. All these languages need to be modified. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.245.59.15 (talk) 18:07, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

such a lie, you can't just come around with some korean history that is totally made up by some korean scholars, Emperor Taizong died of poisoned drugs he consumed in an effort to prolong his life. in his military campaign, the biggest regret he ever felt is Tubo. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.64.32.232 (talk) 00:45, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

Emperor Taizong

Historiographer, please explain why you are making this revert repeatedly. The version you are reverting to has more weasel words ("Some sources indicates") and uses more charged, problematic language (such as calling the Tang "Chinese", which by contrast deemphasizes Goguryeo's Chinese heritage). You need a better reason for blanking than "Sinocentrism", which sounds like an ethnic attack. Quigley (talk) 05:48, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

Goguryeo-Tang

Histographer and other co-editors, given it is Goguryeo subject not Tang Taizong, we do not need to argue here whether Taizong is injured or not, why whom etc. Simply leave Taizong failed to conquer Goguryeo is fine. What do you think?

Let's leave the nationalism and controversial topics away and edit it into more objective manner. Only the facts should be recorded here, such as when the country establish, when falls, not speculations, rumors, and legends. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.245.193.3 (talk) 22:14, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Contradiction tag (cause of death of Taizong)

Please discuss the issue at Talk:Emperor Taizong of Tang. Please do not remove the tag until the contradiction is resolved. 203.81.67.183 (talk) 14:06, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Reliable Source?

when you search up 고구려 on google images there are a bunch of korean maps that drastically enlargen not only goguryeo's land but also silla and gaya's into china, siberia, mongolia and japan and reducing the tang dynasty land to only interior provinces with the coastline taken over by goguryeo, while others show a more subtle expansion that just includes all of manchuria and the provinces around beijing. i was just wondering if these were credible because when i google translated one of the site that hosted the picture, they said something like "When you look at this article gangseonghal Goguryeo to the south to the far reaches of the Yangtze in China do I find out that you have entered.

When a fish "munjahotaeyeolje (letter Neptune), Fujian Province, when the one thousand shares of Silla (south of the Yangtze River, near Hong Kong), let's move to""

i get the idea of it trying to say goguryeo went as far south as the yangtse, even further as it mentions fujian too. i cant read korean and i heard that some korean history textbooks were biased or false or something. kUCEEZ 23:41, 3 November 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kuceez (talk • contribs)

I am pretty sure you are looking at fictional maps - could also be part of online game map. You are way overstretching when you are using some random blogs to assert that cited sources are false. 98.14.115.175 (talk) 05:19, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Goguryeo was Multi-Ethnic

Direct quote from the Zizhi Tongjian, written by Cheng Da De, an envoy to Goguryeo: 往往见中国人，自云家在某郡，隋末从军，没于高丽，高丽妻一游女，与高丽错居，殆将半矣. The 668 census quoted in the same work also showed approx 1/3 Han Chinese population in Goguryeo. Thousands upon thousands of Han Chinese had lived in Goguryeo since the times of the Han commanderies, and even more settled there after the failed Sui invasions, many of them marrying Goguryeo women.

Somebody asked on the edit page "Sorry, what is ethnic Chinese back in 5th century?". Well, first of all, these reports date from the seventh century, and secondly, if the Chinese-speaking descendants of the four-commanderies era migrants from the central plains and the soldiers of the Sui army are not ethnic Chinese, what are they?

Goguryeo was a multi-ethnic state. This is reflected in the historical sources, by their culture and society, and even by the genetic record.