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All of the sources for the article are primary sources "written by people [or organisations] who are directly involved" with CTS. None of them contain "analytic or evaluative claims". Hrafn^Talk_Stalk(P) 07:07, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The sources are:

The denomination for which CTS is the seminary for.
Its listings on its accreditation bodies' websites.
2 pages on its own website.

Hrafn^Talk_Stalk(P) 07:46, 8 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Its listings on accreditation bodies' websites are of course independent 3rd party sources. And they do, pretty much by definition, contain "analytic or evaluative claims". -- 202.124.73.222 (talk) 14:00, 12 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You don't have a clue what you're talking about! WP:N explicitly defines independent sources to exclude "works produced by those affiliated with the subject or its creator. For example, self-publicity, advertising, self-published material by the subject, the subject's website, autobiographies, and press releases are not considered independent." CTS is explicitly affliated with these organisations. So no, they are not independent. And no, the cited pages contain no "analytic or evaluative claims", just boilerplate. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk(P) 08:56, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You're seriously suggesting that the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools is not independent? By your reasoning, no article on the USA should rely on sources written by US citizens, because they are affiliated with the subject. -- 202.124.73.174 (talk) 09:39, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Whack!

You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know that you did something silly.

Get a fracking clue!

I am "seriously suggesting" that the ONLY reason that the North Central Association of Colleges and Schools has a page on CTS is because CTS is affiliated to it! This means that the source is not independent, in the sense that it needs to be in order to demonstrate notability.

Do "US citizens" write "article on the USA" solely because they are affiliated with it? NO! Does this therefore have anything to do with my argument? NO!

Again, get a fracking clue!

You clearly have no understanding of Wikipedia policy. Hrafn^Talk_Stalk(P) 10:00, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You clearly don't understand WP:CIVIL. I don't believe you understand WP:RS either. The North Central Association of Colleges and Schools is independent in the sense that CTS does not control what it says. In the same way that the US Government does not control what its citizens say. -- 202.124.73.174 (talk) 10:05, 13 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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	You clearly have no understanding of Wikipedia policy. <font face="Antiqua, serif">''[[User:Hrafn\|Hrafn]]<sup>[[User talk:Hrafn\|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Hrafn\|Stalk]]</sub><sup>''('''[[M:Precisionism\|P]]''')</sup></font> 10:00, 13 May 2012 (UTC)		You clearly have no understanding of Wikipedia policy. <font face="Antiqua, serif">''[[User:Hrafn\|Hrafn]]<sup>[[User talk:Hrafn\|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Hrafn\|Stalk]]</sub><sup>''('''[[M:Precisionism\|P]]''')</sup></font> 10:00, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

			:You clearly don't understand [[WP:CIVIL]]. I don't believe you understand [[WP:RS]] either. The North Central Association of Colleges and Schools is independent in the sense that CTS does not control what it says. In the same way that the US Government does not control what its citizens say. -- [[Special:Contributions/202.124.73.174\|202.124.73.174]] ([[User talk:202.124.73.174\|talk]]) 10:05, 13 May 2012 (UTC)