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Factocop

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– This SPI case is open.

18 May 2012

Suspected sockpuppets

• 147.114.44.209 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · spi block · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 147.114.44.208 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · spi block · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 212.183.128.12 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · spi block · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 212.183.128.64 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · spi block · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 212.183.128.250 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · spi block · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
• 212.183.128.16 (talk⁺ · tag · contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RBLs · proxy check · block user · spi block · block log · cross-wiki contribs · CheckUser (log))
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Factocop used the 147.114.44.208 account first at Carlingford Lough here. This was the initial article he was blocked for using multiple accounts which is used to always change the United Kingdom to Northern Ireland. He then used this account along with 147.114.44.209 to request an unblock at his talkpage: [1], [2], [3] and [4]. Both accounts are now being used to cause the same disruption at Foyle River here: [5], [6], [7], [8] and [9].

I also suspect the drive by edits made by 212.183.128.12 and 212.183.128.64 at Foyle River are also Factocop as well. Factocop has a long history of using multiple accounts and IP's to conduct his campaign. Bjmullan (talk) 13:07, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

Also appears to be a sock puppet, 109.154.199.195 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log). 4 edits, 2 on Mullans page, 1 @ ANI. IRWolfie- (talk) 18:09, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Seems like a witch hunt. No way can one user have 5 IPs. I am not factocop for the record. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.154.199.195 (talk) 19:08, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

"No way can one user have 5 IPs.". Sure you can:

• 2 at work (refresh DHCP or change workstation)
• 3 at home (reset your DCE)
• Plus your 1 mobile IP (also easily changed) = 6, in fact. JoeSperrazza (talk) 03:15, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

212.183.128.250 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is clearly another sock as they headed straight for the Foyle River article as well. [10] MarnetteD | Talk 23:02, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

Having looked at page history of River Foyle WP, I can not find a single edit by Factocop so what is the link to this user? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.128.16 (talk) 22:07, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

On the face of it there's none. It's just someone guessing. Factocop ip data is long since stale (unless a checkuser has clandestinely kept some) and there should be "no comment on ip accounts" so this may as well be closed now. Van Speijk (talk) 22:48, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Hi Van Speijk, its been a while. This is based on quack. But just wondering how you came across it? Contrib check on Bjmullan by any chance? Murry1975 (talk) 22:51, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Exactly right, and your point being? BTW, I just looked at your recent edits as well, and you've a real case to answer on the so called "Irish" actor, but that's for another time and place. Van Speijk (talk) 22:54, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Sourced bud, and you should remember it from editing when not logged in ;) But hounding is against guidelines and thanks for admiting it. Murry1975 (talk) 22:59, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I'm not your "bud", it's currently sourced to 1) a horoscope site and 2) a fan-pic site, and stop talking shite about hounding. Van Speijk (talk) 23:02, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

As I said to you when you edited it as an IP, source it. BTW bud I use that word alot. Murry1975 (talk) 23:06, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Here'e this IP's link to River Foyle: [11] JoeSperrazza (talk) 22:45, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Joe, there is no link to Factocop. I will set up an account, if that's what it will take for me to be allowed to continue to edit....I also think WP:quack can apply to any user seen to be collaborating. Murry and Bjmullan seem to be conjoined, with collaboration/blocking on so so many articles.

Do you think we are zipped up the back? Not Factocop? Then explain why you contacted Mabuska here? Mabuska has never edited at River Foyle but I take it you know him from your disruptive time at Carlingford Lough. With or without an account you are a disruptive editor with only one agenda. Bjmullan (talk) 08:26, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

its not difficult. I had seen in your edit history that you had opposed Mabuska on many topics. What's the point of having wiki tools If users are not allowed to use them? You seem to pretty consistent with your edits, mainly editing on NI related pages, and blocking any attempt to recognize NI as anything. Nationalust POV seems rife on wiki. And Murry is just as bad. This should really be an SPI in relation to Bjmullan, Murry, and perhaps user:Mo_aimn. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.128.16 (talk) 09:24, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

,Whilst the IPs accusations are valid in regards to Bjmullan and Mo ainm, i must say that i have no clue as to whoever this editor is. I doubt it would be Factocop since the last time me and him were involved in a discussion (at Eglinton over the use of Irish in the lede) me and him were of opposite viewpoints and he didn't take too well to me. If it's him then it's some come around for him to message me for support. Mabuska ^(talk) 15:57, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Might I suggest Mabuska that if you have concerns about me you raise it at the appropriate place rather than slinging mud in the hope that it would stick. It's not the first time I have asked you to assume good faith. Bjmullan (talk) 16:01, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

In reply to Mabuska, that some of the IPs above have admitted to being Factocop on his talkpage mainly the ones from RBS, which then one of the IPs has then induicated is his place of work. Quack-quack and location. Factocop also may know you have had disagreements on issues with Bjmullan, whether you disagreed with him over an issue or not he may see you being an ally and opposed to the other editors invovled and probably why he canvassed you. Murry1975 (talk) 16:48, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Murry, are you saying that there are only 1 or 2 rbs staff members in London? I would thought.Rbs would have thousands of staff in a financial hub like london, but I could be wrong.

Will I e-mail them to find out :) ?Murry1975 (talk) 06:42, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

yes please go ahead. Email a bank and ask for secure information good idea. :)

Curious that an IP who I don't recal ever having any interaction with would bring my name up in this, wouldn't expect anything more for Mabuska always quick to throw mud in my direction at any chance it gets laughable really, so Mabuska Shit or get off the pot Mo ainm~Talk 16:55, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I think you done two reverts early on Mo Ainm, but he probably remembers you from another time.... Murry1975 (talk) 06:42, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Mo_ainm, it is not difficult to see that all 3 of you are closely linked and collaborated on so many NI related articles. That is obvious. And its no surprise that he all 3 of you are within 1 hr of each other.

Do you know Mo Ainm from before? Murry1975 (talk) 07:15, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Factocop you are more than welcome to do an SPI on me and Murray and Bjmullan, it will finally shut you and your buddy Mabuska up. Mo ainm~Talk 09:20, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

why you keep mentioning factocop in relation to every IP is staggering. I have no doubt that you are smart enough not to use the same IP but behavioral evidence would suggest that you 3 are related. Editing on this page within 1 hr of each other I'm sure is just a coincidence. I'm curious Mo_ainm, what account did you hold before this? You seemed to have a very good grasp of wiki policy even with your early edits, notifying users with a welcome template even though you had also just joined the project.

I'd just like to point out that a background check has been carried out on you before no, as well as me because we edit on the same articles. Surprise, surprise nothing untoward was found. It is not a coincidence that you, and sometimes I edit on the articles because of our history. I've been watching the proceedings on this for a couple of days... why? Because it's on my watchlist, along with all your talk pages? Am I a stalker? Perhaps... or maybe I just use my watchlist for what it is intended. One further note, I assume Mo edited with as an IP contributor prior to setting up an account as we all have. I@ couldn't however list the IPs I used prior to setting up my account as it was so long ago. --NorthernCounties (talk) 09:49, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

NorthernCounties, your right using the watchlist is not illegal, and is a tool, so why Murry has an issue with this I don't know. Could you show us the results if the background check that you and Mo_ainm had undergone? Was this an SPI case you are referring to? Just looking at Mo_ainm edit history, he has recently edited on "City of Derry Airport", which us a page you claim to patrol. Coincidence? My point is that editing on the same page is not a reason to accuse someone of being another user, and in this case factocop does not have a history if editing on river Foyle page, from where this SPI stemmed from. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.128.46 (talk) 10:04, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure how to get the results, I just know I was given the all clear when Factocop did a counter claim against us once. I'm sure any admin that reviews this page will have access to that, and contributed to this page so that they would be made aware of this, and save them time. As to whether the IPs currently being questioned are a reincarnation of Factocop... I don't know. I shall not be partaking in a search for evidence either... why? Look at the weather outside! ;) --NorthernCounties (talk) 12:09, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. I do a quick search for SPIs with your name in title but couldn't find anything so I'm guessing they were logged under another users name. Either way your sincerity is convincing. But certainly the relation between Mo_ainm, Bjmullan and Murry is questionable, and that seems more intriguing than the relation of IPs to a defunct account. Although the page is on your watchlist, I was surprised to see you here when you had not mentioned. It's things like this that raise suspicion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.128.46 (talk) 12:25, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Stop beating about the bush and file an SPI on me and any editor that you want. Your attempts at deflection are laughable Mo ainm~Talk 15:02, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

No need to get aggressive Mo_ainm. I'd say there is more than enough behavioural evidence. Though it may take some time putting together all the evidence as you 3 have "worked together" and supported each other on so so many edits and pages, so forgive me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.128.46 (talk) 16:13, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

A few of things, 1, Factocop isnt a defunct account its blocked, hence why "he" is using IPs- mind you this week he hasnt used the RBS ones wonder if he got a fright?, 2, behavourial evidence between the 3 of us? Not if you actually look at some of the edits bud, you will see a difference in all of them, 3, Hasnt edited on a specific article? That doesnt matter same edit on others with same reasoning -quack- 4, anyone reading your comments and factocops will see the same usage of counter threats, and grammar 4, I have never complained about using watchlists- the opposite actually so read properly the next time. Are you factocop? Yes, and another dozen or so socks and even more IPs. I was asking a friend about being able to use and leave Ips, he explained there are actually a few ways, resseting as discussed above, or even logging into open networks, not hard in cities and then re-logging when you are back there. Another one he called "hitching", I dont know if that is what it is called really or just what he calls it, basically put it is logging in to an open proxy server and using this as an IP, this can be done quite easy and actually changes your ISP in most cases to that of the proxy your hitching. Murry1975 (talk) 10:31, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

,Ha! Your "friend" seems to know a lot about changing IP addresses. What response did you get when you contacted RBS? Please share. So all 6 IPs have edited on the exact same pages as Factocop? No. I suggest you read WP:Quack before you start using it as evidence. The same grammar and counter threats? How is that even measurable? Looking at the IPs they have somevery distinct editing far away from anything Factocop related. Yes some of your edits ate different but a large number centre around the same old articles. Coincidence I'm sure. I suggest this SPI be closed and a check be done on the filing parties. Peace out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.128.38 (talk) 11:00, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Yeah its his job, well its what his company does and in some cases stops people doing. So are you going to file an SPI or what Factocop? The e-mail to RBS? I didnt ask how many people work there. Why would I do that? I am only interested in one. So file the SPI (dont do it on company time) and then see that we are so unrelated its unreal. Murry1975 (talk) 11:18, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

yeah sure, your "friend". I don't think Factocop can file an SPI if he is blocked. You said previously that were considering contacting rbs? Did you do so? And what did they say? The point was made that there are thousands of rbs staff in london, possibly all on a similar IP so finding 1 may be difficult. But I'm sure your "friend" can help. This SPI has gone way off topic. Move to close. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.128.38 (talk) 11:39, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

No it hasnt, every time you type you show more similarities to the original account. Funny that the only way to stop this SPI, which btw is only the first step, is to claim its us who are the socks and you are an unconnected passer-by. RBS have a very good IT team, you know, and a very strict usage of internet, one point being nothing that would reflect in a negative way on the company, especially if it could be political. But as you know it would be hard to lock it down to one individual, without other information, background, where there from when they went back home on holidays, stuff like that. But it is possible :) Murry1975 (talk) 11:49, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Simply saying that someone exhibits similar typing traits is not evidence. And is uncivil by trying to mislead an admin. Everytime you type you exhibit more similarities to Bjmullan and Mo_ainm. Looking above, there are 6 IPs that I doubt are all related but the only link I can see is that some edited on an NI related page which Factocop might have edited on had his account not be blocked. That is not evidence. IPs edited on River Foyle page, not Factocop, but both you and Bjmullan and supported each other, and that Bjmullan had never previously edited on that page until recently.

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