Talk:San Salvador

San Salvador Proper vs San Salvador Metro

People keep saying that there are almost 2.1 million people in San Salvador. This is not true and San Salvador has less then 600,000 people. This is an article on San Salvador the municpality(the city limits proper)not the San Salvador metropolitan area. Thats like saying San Francisco, CA has over 6 million people. Everyone knows SF does not even have a million. The SF Bay Area which makes up 9 counties and over 4,000 sq miles hold that population of 6 million. Same can be said with El Salvador and people are grouping the 14 municipalities around San Salvador as San Salvador itself. In fact the San Salvador metro area is divided into 4 departments(counties) and about 14 different cities. This page is to simply discuss San Salvador itself and if another page needs to be created to discuss the San Salvador metro area then do that. That being said San Salvador is not the second or even 3rd largest city in Central America. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.14.61.197 (talk) 19:19, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Transportation

Is San Salvador the only Central American city to be served by two airports or isn't it? Wikipedia is an encyclopedia; the purpose of it is to state facts, not to present possiblities.

Response : it is , the comalapa airport serves san salvador as well as the ilopnago international airport.

New Response: The Ilopango Airport only serves national flights and central america flights (excuse my bad english)...Ilopango was used as international Airport until Comalapa's airport was open. Ilopango Airport can not serve to new airplaines because is very small and is used by de Air Force of El Salvador. The building works as museum.

New Response: As the previous response states, The Comalapa Airport, is the International Airport of El Salvador, instead the Airport of Ilopango is an airport that serves as military purposes, is no longer the National/International Airport of El Salvador. Also is good to add that the International Airport of Comalapa, is ongoing a new planned re modelation, is still on planing and developing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kat135gato (talk • contribs) 06:04, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

San Salvador

The article talks about Costa del Sol being a private beach. This is a lie, anyone can go there.

El Salvador International or (Cuzcatlan International) can't handle the increased air traffic so there's talks of remodeling and putting to use the old Art-Deco Ilopango Internationl in San Salvador, OR, build another one in the eastern part of the country near San Miguel. So if it happens it would make ES the only Central American nation with two international airports.

The paragraph above, about the airport, is most likely untrue. The airport was expanded a few years back and traffic is quite low.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.201.173.98 (talk • contribs) 20:06, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

As the previous response says, there is no planing to make anything that the second paragraph mentions, the re-modelation will be only at the Airport of Comalapa, there is a report in a News paper from El Salvador that already show the nation how it will be re modelated, a new Runway will be added in addition to other components. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kat135gato (talk • contribs) 06:07, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

Mexican and Central American gang violence worse than South America?

"Although many Latin American countries are facing serious crime problems associated with gangs (maras), the largest and most violent gangs in the region operate in Central America and Mexico" - so says the first link that comes up in the reference section.

This, as anyone who knows about the violence in South American countries would concur, is incredulous. It's so far off the mark that you wonder whoever wrote the article actually knows anything about the crime and gang problem in the south of the continent. Assuming we're excluding organized crime gangs such as the Mexican and Colombian drug cartels, Colombia's terror groups and the PCC prison gang from Sao Paulo etc. [note they're mostly 'South' American organizations] then apart from San Pedro Sula (which is very violent), Central American/Mexican cities still appear much safer than the worst South America has to offer. And of course, mara-type gangs in South America's murder capitals are responsible for a lot of the killings and numerous massacres.

Not only was Medellin the organized crime capital of the world for homicides, it was also the world capital for street gang homicides too. Medellin's homicide rate has dropped precipitously but the street gang side of things was completely ignored by the world's media anyway - even though they were responsible for far more homicides than cartels or guerillas.

Rio de Janeiro, which has been the most publicized South American city for this problem but by no means the worst, has the violent CV and TC, while many other Brazilian cites also have gangs of murderous delinquents dealing in drugs at slum level. Caracas is another while the Colombian cities of Cali and Bogota have suffered severely too. Cali alone had nearly as many homicides as El Salvador in 2004 with 2.5 times less people.

Constant talk in Caracas and Colombian cities of 'pandillas', 'sicarios', 'combos' and 'bandas' is widespread but, with a lack of international interest and individual names of these gangs being hard to come by, information is sketchy compared to Central America.

I thought I'd write this as what's happened in some South American cities is a tragic social disaster of monumental proportions. Particularly in Medellin, whose homicide rate has ironically depleted to a small fraction of what it was. The media will ignore it even more than before if that's possible, and it's quotes like the one in the first sentence which go on popular belief rather than hard facts. The reference overall may be a good one but that claim is ignorant and uninformed.

Thank you. Sarcastic Sid 09:28, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Crime Section

I found a newspaper article that clearly says crime has gone down its a recent article. The ones used as a source in your section our old notes that need to be changed to present notes and facts. http://www.elsalvador.com/mwedh/nota/nota_completa.asp?idCat=2913&idArt=1562092 Mzciara 15:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

I was looking at your sources and they are 2005 articles that is 2 years ago!!! many things have changed since then. The right thing to do do is use the 2007 article that has 2007 facts and compare crime in 2006 to now in 2007/ it says: Homocides have gone down 22% Extorsions went down 7% Theft whent down 18% http://www.elsalvador.com/mwedh/nota/nota_completa.asp?idCat=2913&idArt=1562092 and this is what needs to be in the section. CRime has lowered. Mzciara 15:22, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The completely reliable sources that you deleted looked at crime trends over 15 years. The most recent crime statistics that you found should indeed be included, but you should not delete the other information. Notmyrealname 16:32, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. I reinstated the deleted portion and fixed the new one. Crime rate in general has not gone down, the source mentions that the numbers in homicides, extortion, and robbery and theft of vehicles had gone down in the 1st half of 2007 (in comparison to the same period in 2006). -- LaNicoya  •Talk•  00:57, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

i read the article crime has gone down you just need to get thicker glasses. wikipedia editors like "lanicoya" are the ones that violate the rules more than anyone. your sources are old from 2005 that newspaper article is from 2007 what in your brain is not clicking?

oh and managua is a dangerous place to be and you being from nicaragua know that and that your country is the 2nd poorest country in the hemisphere and most corrupt write that in there you might want to start that section because ill get my info together and will do it myself.66.161.18.212 17:21, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Please be civil and assume good faith. The 2007 article and the 2005 sources document different things. They should both be included. If there are specific errors of fact, please identify them and/or correct them. Do not delete properly sourced factual information, and do not insult other editors. Notmyrealname 01:56, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I'll break it down for you, paragraph by paragraph:

En un balance semestral sobre la incidencia delictiva en el país, las autoridades policiales y de seguridad revelaron hoy una disminución significativa en los homicidios, extorsiones, robo y hurto de vehículos.

In a semester's balance authorities today revealed a significant diminution in homicides, extortions, and robbery and theft of vehicles.

En el primer semestre del 2006 se les había reportado 1,987 auto robados ó hurtados; mientras que para este año se registra el robo y hurto de 1,640 vehículos.

In the first semester of 2006 1,987 cars were robbed or stolen, whereas for this year (2007) 1,640 vehicles were robbed or stolen.

El director de la Policía, Rodrigo Avila aseguró que los tres referidos delitos mantienen una tendencia a la baja con respecto al año pasado. Sostuvo que aumentarán las acciones operativas que les han permitido reducir los niveles de criminalidad en el país.

The director of the Police, Rodrigo Avila, assured that the three referred crimes maintain a tendency to reduce with respect to the last year. He maintained that they will increase the operative actions that have allowed to reduce the levels of criminality in the country.

El subdirector de la Policía, José Luis Tobar Prieto aseguró que los homicidios han tenido una reducción acumulada en el orden del 22 por ciento en el primer semestre del año. Sostuvo que las cifras policiales reflejaban 207 homicidios menos para el primer semestre de este año con respecto al mismo período del 2006. En el país son asesinadas, en promedio, diez personas diarias.

The assistant director of the Police, Jose Luis Dark Tobar, assured that the homicides have had an accumulated reduction of 22% by in the first semester of the year (2007). He maintained that the police numbers reflected 207 less homicides for the first semester of this year with respect to the same period of the 2006. In the country 10 people, on average, are assassinated daily.

Agregó que las extorsiones también han tenido una disminución del 7 por ciento, si se compara con el mismo período del año pasado.

He added that extortions also have had a diminution of the 7 percent, if is compared with the same period of the last year.

También explicó que el robo y hurto de vehículos se redujo en el orden del 18 por ciento en los primeros seis meses de este año.

He also explained that the robbery and theft of vehicles were reduced by 18 percent in the first six months of this year.

There you go, a complete translation of the article. Anyone who does not know or understand English can cross-check by using the Babel Fish translator. -- LaNicoya  •Talk•  18:22, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

this page is wrong, the crime rate in san salvador and el salvador in general is extremly high and has not reduced since the 80s war era.71.106.203.126 06

49, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Crime SEction Needs a change

crime has reduced in fact. Some of the information on the section like the articles from 1996 need to be retired its 2007 now articles from 2006 and 2007 should be used now for the reason that we want readers to get information that is based on the present not in events that ocurred several years ago. i have been reading the el diario de hoy for a couple of months now and i haven't seen any articles on crime in these months like you would find before by the bunch.Ethnicdoll 15:04, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia, not a newspaper. It is important and appropriate to have historical material as well as the most recent statistics. This has been an ongoing discussion on this page. Please continue this discussion before removing properly sourced factual information. Notmyrealname 15:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

I have intentional homicides for El Salvador from 1999 to 2006. If anyone's interested or wants to put some of this stuff in the article, here's the link: http://www.ocavi.com/docs_files/file_386.pdf

Sarcastic Sid (talk) 21:23, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

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Climate--------

I corrected the extreme temperatures. Who wrote the lwoest temperature is 2C ?? That s crazy , 2C in San Salvador is impossible. Accorinf to official figures, the lowest ever recorded in San Salvador Observatory is 8.2C and highest 38.5C. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.12.76.155 (talk) 21:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Crime Section Needs Revision

• What is this fixation with crime in San Salvador?

This section seems to be taking way too much space, I frankly think that the way this whole issue is being approached here should be revised, it is starting to resemble the National inquirer. I have been revising the way other cities in Latin America are being portrayed and nothing parallels to what you are doing here, in fact I was appalled to see that there is a whole section on air pollution in San Salvador when such other cities as Sao Paolo or Mexico City do not even mentioned that issue on their sections.

City attractions suchs as the national theater, the museumn of modern art MARTE, the museo Nacional de Atropologia MUNA, the childrens's museum TIN MARIN or the botanical gardens are not even mentioned here at all.

The whole section for the city of San salvador needs to be arranged a a way where all these things can be included, I have links for information to all those places. Acaxual (talk) 11:54, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Acaxual, one of the possible reasons crime in Mexico City isn't mentioned as much as San Salvador might be because the Salvadoran capital is far more dangerous (contrary to what you wrote in one of your edit summaries). Wikipedia is a place for cold, hard facts, there can be no place for storytelling or bias. Thanks. Power Society (talk) 03:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

What Crime Section?

It seems that through an act of persistent vandalism, the crime section was removed altogether as of October 2009. The edits were part of a series of whitewashes/blanking of negative information from a single IP. Given the crime statistics pinning El Salvador as one of the world's most violent countries (top 10), in downtown San Salvador particularly, it's strange that no mention of crime is made in the article. I dare say that given the reality of the issue, the omission of a substantial section on crime is a violation of WP:NPOV. I will try to get to restoring the section as soon as I can, but it would be nice if Spanish language sources could be included for the latest information, particularly the recent crime increases. Most of the English sources I have found are in the area of citing the CIA world factbook. Etafly (talk) 11:41, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Attractions

I've removed the whole Attractions section, as it had the feel of an advertisement inserted, verbatim, into an article. In my opinion, it's not worth trying to revise. DO56 (talk) 19:46, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't agree that there are 17 picture of NO SIGNIFICANCE in the page. It shows more than 10 buildings, this is not a gallery of picture, please... please put some significant article and not just a bunch of pictures!!

error

location error on TACA's headquarters are located in the municipality of Antiguo Cuscatlan, not in the municipality of San Salvador

as well as multiplaza and La gran via mall are located in the municipality of Antiguo Cuscatlan department La Libertad

the University Jose Matias Delgado and the University Jose Simeon Cañas are also located in the municipality of Antiguo Cuscatlan well as the military school also located in this municipality, the Higher School of Economics and Business ESEN is located in the town of Santa Tecla like school monica herrera communications is located in Santa Tecla

British Academy is located in Santa Tecla the school Augusto Walte and the German school is located in Antiguo Cuscatlan

Ilopango airport is located in Ilopango not in San Salvador —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tamirr (talk • contribs) 16:16, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Population

The city's population seems inflated. Is there a way we can have this verified? On the edit history, an editor posted an article regarding the possible expansion of the city (my guess is through redistricting or the like. We need a source that correctly and accurately illustrates the population. The basis of El Salvador being the second largest seems to come from an edit that goes back roughly to June 21, 2010, when the following was written on the lead:

"San Salvador City is the capital and largest city of the nation of El Salvador. It is the second most populous city in Central America after Guatemala City. The metropolitan area of San Salvador covers an area of 620.86 km² 239.71 sq mi) and comprises 14 municipalities (for urban planning managing purposes actually controlled by OPAMS Oficina de Planeamiento del Area Metropolitana de San Salvador) which expansion is presently under discussion (for urban planning purposes it has been proposed to comprise 7 more municipalities)and is home to nearly 1.9 million (estimate 2010) people."

The version can be found by following this link:San Salvador Article as of 17:44, June 21, 2010

Since it was (and may still be, we cannot be sure) under discussion, we cannot be completely sure of the article's accuracy in terms of population. Unless there's something that completely reassures that the redistricting or expansion did happen and has already been completed, then it can be verified that San Salvador is the second largest city. Other than that, it seems that the second largest city in Central America has to be Managua. Statistically, it makes sense if you compare the two populations and the census numbers from that city in 2005. Thoughts? Mbhskid520 (talk) 18:11, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Horrible!

Something needs to be done to fix this article, its in horrible condition. I plan to work on the article but edits should be restricted to members only. Block the article! House1090 (talk) 05:53, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Complete name

La Ciudad de Gran San Salvador is wrong, there is not such name as that! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Macortisular (talk • contribs) 03:32, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

History needs verification

The Pancho Lara Park in Vista Hermosa neighborhood was built long after Ing. Duarte's term as Mayor of the city. I will stop by the park to read the plate as it might be during his son's term as Mayor of the city in the early 80's. To be continued... --VladyMart (talk) 05:32, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Norman Quijano advertising?

I have to object about Norman Quijano's involvement in the reaccomodation of the downtown district. Most of the recovering effort was made by the goverment since the mayor was unable to retake the lost streets due to illegal street markets withouth using gratouitous ammounts of violence. Most of the problem was solved when the goverment changed the bus stops and relocated them outside of the city centre, also, mayor Quijano is still uncapable of delivering illegal vendors from the streets due to his stubborn decision of relocating the vendors on small, non-visible "markets" on ugly and dark alleys.

--190.62.33.185 (talk) 22:56, 12 September 2011 (UTC)Atlacatonatl

Added Tags for grammar and tone of certain sections

I have added a maintenance tag for grammar, and a maintenance tag for tone of certain areas of the article, particularly crime and security. If you feel that this has been corrected, or does not apply, please remove them. Wolfeye90 00:44, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Copy edit in progress

I'm volunteering to copy edit this article. I'll be busy in real life for a few days, but I"ll get to it soon. --Noleander (talk) 00:02, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Metropolitan Cathedral

At the end of December 2011 the mural on the front of the Metropolitan Cathedral was destroyed on orders of Archbishop Jose Luis Escobar Alas. The mural was removed because, according to the Archbishop, it contained a Freemason symbol, it promoted the work of artist Fernando Llort, its creator, and because deterioration of the tiles presented a potential danger. http://www.laprensagrafica.com/el-salvador/judicial/247213-alas-rechaza-volver-a-colocar-mural-de-llort.htmlLisapaloma (talk) 22:08, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Metropolitan Cathedral

At the end of December 2011 the mural on the front of the Metropolitan Cathedral was destroyed on orders of Archbishop Jose Luis Escobar Alas. The mural was removed because, according to the Archbishop, it contained a Freemason symbol, it promoted the work of artist Fernando Llort, its creator, and because deterioration of the tiles presented a potential danger. http://www.laprensagrafica.com/el-salvador/judicial/247213-alas-rechaza-volver-a-colocar-mural-de-llort.htmlLisapaloma (talk) 22:08, 1 June 2012 (UTC)