Talk:Lily Collins

Birth date source

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20119986,00.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.19.22.132 (talk) 03:01, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

No model

Collins is called a "model", but the article itself doesn't even remotely show any sign of whatever kind of professional or unprofessional modelling. In fact, there is nothing that would qualify calling her a model. The section "Modeling and magazine appeareances" is an amusing exaggeration. We have a lot of articles on professional models, and Collins certainly isn't one of them. Arguments, anyone? Catgut (talk) 04:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

I forgot: calling her a "writer" is an even more amusing exaggeration. Catgut (talk) 04:19, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Done. Catgut (talk) 01:15, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

When a major magazine calls someone the international model of the year, isn't that a pretty solid indication that she has been considered a model? Having been a model and actively being a professional model now are two different things. Netmouse (talk) 16:54, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Lily still does some modelling and she is studying journalism — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.237.195.40 (talk) 20:35, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Clary's Age

The character Lily is playing in City of Bones, Clarissa Fray, is sixteen not fifteen. I have corrected the mistake. CitizenofPanem (talk) 22:08, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Actually in city of bones, Clary doe start off as fifteen but is on the verge of sixteen. Her sixteen birthday is written in the book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.237.195.40 (talk) 20:38, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Age of the character is not important for this article, and reference didn't mention it so I just removed it completely. Geraldo Perez (talk) 21:16, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

ADHD

I removed the claim that she has ADHD, since it's not really encyclopedic. I googled it, it had some sources, it looks to be true, but they were poor and not strong enough. Lftrh (talk) 22:18, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Official website page

lily-collins.org? Newone (talk) 08:58, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

"unofficial fansite" Fat&Happy (talk) 16:22, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Nationality

Firstly, I'd like to point out that "British and American" sounds incredibly clumsy; secondly, that "Anglo-American" does not exclusively refer to ethnicity but to anything related to both England and America; and thirdly that I have seen no Wikipedia policy stating that "ethnicity has no place in ledes". That sounds like personal preference to me. 81.178.255.158 (talk) 23:26, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

See WP:OPENPARA for what should be in lede. Ethnicity is only in lede if part of reason a person is notable - not the case here. Nationality is in lede as a standard part of identification of the person. She is both a British national and an American national and is described that way accurately. Anglo-American is not really applicable as the meaning described in the article is "Anglo-American is often used in legal, economic and political writing to refer to those countries that have similar legal regimes that are generally based on the English common law". British-American or English-American are ethnicity or ancestory identifications and subsumes her British nationality to be less important than her American nationality. If this is really true than just state that in the edit summary and drop any mention of English, Anglo, or British from the lede. Currently stating she is British and American give both nationalities equal weight. --Geraldo Perez (talk) 01:00, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

My only problem is that "a British and American actress" still sounds very awkward - verging on weird - and I have not seen it used anywhere else on Wikipedia. I have seen "British-American", "English-American" and even "Anglo-American" used for people with dual citizenship though, and the terms sound much more concise and encyclopedic. I think you will have to allow this to be changed at some point in the near future. 81.178.255.158 (talk) 02:09, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Those usages probably shouldn't be in the lede as, at least in American usage, they are primary ethnicity identifiers and seldom mean dual-national. If you think usage is awkward just remove any mention of British, English or Anglo - in this case she is American, living in the US and is notable for activities while residing in the US. Her English birth and nationality are not part of why notable and WP:OPENPARA does support removing that info from the lede. Her British citizenship has been in the article for quite some time, though, and categories support both British and American. I don't think removing that from the article would be supported as that does seem to be part of her identity. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:38, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

The US does not recognize dual citizenship, so there is absolutely NO WAY she is a "British and American" actress. Granted, the UK may still issue her a passport on the QT, but technically, her US citizenship is revoked the second she uses it. So it's either/or.

Since she seems to have defaulted to the US, how about "British-born American actress"? That's how Mischa Barton is described. 66.105.218.3 (talk) 06:49, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Lots of Americans are dual nationals (I'm one) and this causes no problems with the US even though the US doesn't officially recognize anything but American citizenship while entering or in the US. The US won't revoke citizenship for this. She is a dual national and the article accurately reflects that. She has worked and acted in both countries as described in the article so it is appropriate for both nationalities to be in the lede. Saying British-born American actress, while a true statement, hides the fact that she is also still a British actress. Geraldo Perez (talk) 07:59, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

ok, i will defer to your knowledge on the citizenship issue. that said, it still needs to be reworded into proper english. as it reads now, she sounds like TWO PEOPLE. 66.105.218.7 (talk) 06:12, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

It is proper English and it sounds like two nationalities, not two people. Two equal weight adjectives modifying a set of nouns and separated with an "and" meaning that both apply independently to each other. There is nothing wrong with making it explicit and unambiguous as to meaning. I strongly doubt that anyone will misinterpret what is being stated here. Try to phrase it differently without losing meaning or making it ambiguous. Geraldo Perez (talk) 06:50, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

You have 4-5 people here ALL saying it sounds funny.

Dig your heels in if you want, but you are clearly in the minority here. IT SOUNDS FUNNY. 66.105.218.28 (talk) 02:07, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Chuckle - 3 of those people are from the same ISP and city. The one from the UK actually had a proposal. Geraldo Perez (talk) 02:17, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I guess I miscounted. Point still remains, could a NATIVE SPEAKER pls reword this?! Otherwise I'm going to split it into 2 articles: "Lily Collins (British Actress)" and "Lily Collins (American Actress)".

"Granted, the UK may still issue her a passport on the QT, but technically, her US citizenship is revoked the second she uses it. So it's either/or."

No. It's not. Please refrain from using Wikipedia to spread ridiculous misinformation. "US State Department Services Dual Nationality". Fat&Happy (talk) 15:19, 12 July 2012 (UTC)