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Potwari

Hi i m not adding a dictionary but pin pointing the very few differences of all punjabi dialects (which only we locals of these dialects can speak) which you foriegners impose as a language under a political agenda of DIVIDE AND RULE. you first declare english of US and Austrailia and South Africa as a different language then try it here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LanguageXpert (talk • contribs) 08:01, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

This isn't the place for making a political point. Your claims need to be sourced. Also, it isn't foreigners who are dividing the language, but the speakers themselves. — kwami (talk) 08:04, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I am a native potowari speaker....check Pakistan Census 1998 for rawalpindi division language distribution for your kind information...i had already provided you refrences on Saraiki page but your action speaks louder then words that you guys are biased and your agenda is to divide and rule.. u take challenge and learn these dialects and then challenge if i was wrong or right in posting the 30-50 words are only different and those are only due to minor vowel adjustments (U CAN RECHECK IT WITH ANY OTHER NATIVE SPEAKERS)...WE ALL ARE PUNJABI AND NOT EVEN A CHILD HAS LISTENED A WORD LEHNDA LANGUAGE...at a joke u make if u try to proof it a different language...you guys have double standards for english ...you guys have different agenda of spreading voilence instead of unity among people of pakistan and specially province punjab — Preceding unsigned comment added by LanguageXpert (talk • contribs) 09:47, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

We have native speakers who say the exact opposite. You still need sources. — kwami (talk) 09:50, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi kwami, if u feel blocking is the solution then you can go ahead, but you forgot the end objectivity of WIKIPEDIA is to provide true and honest facts.....you answer me what is the difference between a language and a dialect?????? LANGUAGE means totally un comprehensible and not mutually intelligible ...while dialect means mutually intelligible and communicate able because there is a difference of vowels few or slight gramical variations and regional influenced words... Potowari is perfectly communicatable and mutually intelligible with very few different words...potowari elected PUNJABI as there mother tongue in 1998 Pakistan census...u can check it by searching on net...Hopefully u will now better able to understand my point of view...i have a lot of references from various authors...But question remains that aint they human like us...the only difference is that they have written book....Written book can be untrue or true WHO KNOWS...bt i challenge you to proof my research wrong...sorry for harsh words but REMEMBER end objectivity is to present a true reflection.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LanguageXpert (talk • contribs) 16:22, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

I think the solution is for you to provide reliable sources for your claims. We need people familiar with the topic. That's why I did not request a block despite you reverting 6× in 24hrs, after being warned about 3RR. But you still need to prove that you don't just have a political ax to grind. — kwami (talk) 22:29, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, there is no clear, grammatical distinction between a language and a dialect. Even the measure of mutual intelligibility doesn't offer a clear distinction. There are some ambiguous cases, like that how Valincian relates to Catalan and how Galician relates to Portuguese. Often, linguists choose to accept the socially-motivated dialect and language divisions that speakers themselves make. — Ƶ§œš¹ _{[ãːɱ ˈfɹ̠ˤʷɪ̃ə̃nlɪ]} 17:01, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Indeed, Aeusoes1. LanguageXpert continues to make the same edits to Potwari language. At what point does he become an edit warrior and subject to a block? --Taivo (talk) 18:04, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

inappropriate comment

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. 146.90.43.8 (talk) 13:27, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Your edit summary "at least have the integrity to sign in" is totally inappropriate. It is long standing Wikipedia policy than an account is not required to edit. Please refrain from making similar comments in the future. Nobody Ent 17:47, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

The plain appearance of the situation is that the IP is an experienced user who is editing while logged out. We never do much about it unless there are more serious problems, but it is a minor violation of WP:SOCK for an experienced editor to edit logged out in order to avoid taking responsibility for the edits, as clearly seems to be the case here - the IP had never edited, and suddenly was editing the MOS and ANI. The reason we never do much about it is that it's so obvious, so unless the IP address is a proxy we usually just ignore it. But it's still fine to point out the lack of integrity in making edits while avoiding responsibility for them. — Carl (CBM · talk) 18:21, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

That IP, appearing from nowhere, with zero prior contributions, edited the WP-wide MOS page. From contributions to the talk page, clearly the IP was well-versed in the intricacies of a long-running, very involved, debate on an arcane project-space topic. It was clearly an experienced editor. Churn and change (talk) 21:22, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

This is unrelated, but please feel free to refract "Non-admin closure by a former admin." to "Non-admin closure." (see Wikipedia talk:MOS) Either is appropriate, and I did not know which you would prefer. I did not check to see if you were involved in the RfC. Apteva (talk) 20:59, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

FYI

User talk:Delphi234#Sock Case --Neotarf (talk) 22:19, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Ancient history. Apteva (talk) 04:30, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

About the description in　地理用語集 (2007)

In Talk:Ryukyu Islands, you wrote as follows:

>地理用語集 (2007) says that 琉球列島 (Ryukyu Archipelago) and 南西諸島 (Nansei Islands) are synonymous.
>Biogeographically, the 琉球列島 (Ryukyu Archipelago) encompasses the entire chain.

The book entitled "地理用語集" is only published by Yamakawa-Shuppan(山川出版社). But there is no such a description in 地理用語集(2002) and 地理用語集(2011). Moreover, in 地理用語集(2011), there is a quite different explanation of "南西諸島(Nansei Islands)" as "北の薩南諸島と南の琉球諸島に大別される。" i.e. "Nansei Islands(南西諸島)" is classified roughly into "Satsunan Islands(薩南諸島)" of north part and "Ryukyu Islands(琉球諸島)" of south part.
So, would you please quote 地理用語集 (2007) as Japanese precisely? -(112.70.7.67 (talk) 07:58, 15 October 2012 (UTC))