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==Neutrality and Disputed Facts== |
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For all the biased language in this piece, references need to be cited. The only citations so far are the ones I added. Once I realized my small effort could not save the article, I began marking specific sections that contradict the facts I know from actual research on the incident. |
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These points should be addressed: |
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*'''Neutrality'''; the entire piece is opinionated and lopsided. |
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*'''Facts''' need to be referenced. The section I tagged refers to the quick execution of two unknown men. I have not encountered this information although I have read several books about the subject. In fact, my research states the assassination attempt was not publicly acknowledged until three months after. |
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*'''Malagrida'''. The connection to the Jesuits in the article is not developed and therefore reads as if Malagrida's execution was randomly associated to the plot. Malagrida was imprisoned for his pamphlet published a year after the Lisbon earthquake that argued the cause of the quake was sin. Pombal took umbrage to that, believing himself in reasons of Science. Ironically, Pombal used the Inquisition to bring down Malagrida. Also, I corrected the inaccuracies regarding Malagrida's execution, originally stated as occurring in the days following the Tavora's execution when it was years later. |
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*'''Evidence''', as written in the article, is convenient to the biased POV, and is incomplete. |
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I will rewrite this article from a neutral point-of-view and include references. I will leave this brief criticism on the Talk page for a week. Feel free to respond. |
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[[User:Deadhenry|[deadhenry]]] ([[User talk:Deadhenry|talk]]) 23:36, 14 October 2012 (UTC) |
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==All killed?== |
==All killed?== |
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All killed?
Not every member of the Tavora family was executed. One son of Leonor de Tavora, 3rd Marquioness of Tavora was arrested and tortured but released in 1759 probably because he furnished valuable information to the Marques de Pombal. But when his three brothers and parents were executed, he feared for his life so he chartered a ship and gathering the remainder of his family weatlh and family members and servants sailed first to Goa, India where he deposited the bulk of his wealth in a bank and then travelled and finally settled in Macau which started a whole new dynasty that includes several thousand decendents today. Domingos Marques de Tavora family include the da Silva, Ferras, Rivero, Miranda, and Paiva clans. I have much more information that will be implemented into a book called the Marqueses of Macau and I may be contacted at lenrivero@msn.com
- This is not correct: All the sons of Leonor were killed. She and the Count of Alvor had several sons but only 2 (two) survived childhood and were both executed. The tale of 3 executed sons + 1 escaped son is fiction. Example source: [1]. muriel@pt 09:40, 8 May 2005 (UTC)
frustration
Going through my family tree on Genea Portugal, Its amazing how confused one can get.... as to understanding who survived and where all my family and I come from! --Joseph-- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.170.17.174 (talk) 13:08, 14 March 2007 (UTC).
I'm a Taveira from the people of Paiva
I only learned about this tonight. I'm shocked and sickened. I've been having trouble putting my family tree together (I think this is it) and maybe I'm wrong but I think this may be a reason why there are a lot of gaps and uncertain information about this family. I think I'm gonna puke. Lusitano Transmontano 07:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
- You're Taveira. They were Távora. What does your have to do with this affair? Joaopais 18:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
- I learned that Taveira is a modified form of Tavora. Because of fear and the prevention of the use of the name people afterwards occasionally gave children a modified version of the name but with what little information i have its been difficult to know if im on the right track. i may be looking at someone without the name Taveira who is one or i may be looking at a Taveira who is from a different branch and so i would be on the wrong track. maybe youre right though, im sort of new at researching genealogy so i could be on the wrong track and getting very confused. after santo antonios parents i cant find anything or any more names and ive also heard they didnt just have him and his brother but that there were more children, but theyre not listed at that site. one source says its universally believed that the bulhoes/de paiva are the ancestors of all the Taveiras around today. however way it goes at some point, according to sources (and i went through every name there and could always find a way to these Tavoras from the Bulhoes lineage), we are related so it still kind of makes me sick. Lusitano Transmontano 19:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Source missing
I have not found one credible source for the supposition that the Teresa Leonor was mistress of king Dom José. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.245.147.49 (talk) 11:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC).
continuity, flow
Edited the article for minor wording, etc., and also removed this reference for being both inaccurate and misleading: (The movie The Mission portrays the expulsion of a Jesuit community from the Southern region of Brazil, then a Portuguese possession.) The movie portrays, among other things, the Church's sanctioning of the destruction of a Jesuit-run Indian community because it interferes with colonial expansion and raiding of Indian populations for slave labor. Independent Christian Indians were politically inconvenient. Shir-El too 01:50, 6 January 2008 (UTC)