Talk:Conquest of Mecca

Biblical Prophecy????

Which Muslims actually claim that?? Pls. provide string sources! Bless sins 03:50, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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Good inforamtion copied from here: http://www.perspectives.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=101919&forum_id=70

I know its much, but im afraid the forum will close or somthing.

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Amr Khaled said: The conquest of Makkah was on the 23rd of Ramadan in the 8th year after Hijra. It was the fruit of the patience and determination of Somayya, Bilal, and others who bore all kinds of torture and torment stemming from their strong faith in Allah and his Messenger. Thanks to this conquest, millions visit Makkah for Hajj and Umrah today.

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The treaty of Hudaybiya heralded the conquest of Makkah. The number of people who embraced Islam after the treaty until the 8th year of Hijra increased many folds compared to number at the beginning of the Message. Each of the tribes of Daus, Ashja‘ and Ghaffar embraced Islam. By virtue of the first article of the treaty, the tribe of Khuza‘a embraced Islam and was known to be in the party of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS[1]). On the other hand, the tribe of Banu Bakr was in Quraysh’s party. Many wars used to take place between Khuza‘a and Bani Bakr, but these conflicts calmed down after the treaty of Hudaibiyah. However, since Khuza‘a was getting stronger by being with Prophet Muhammad (SAWS), Bani Bakr decided to violate the treaty and attack them in order to have the upper hand over their rivals. Thus, Bani Bakr, led by Nawfal Ibn Mu‘awiyah, took Quraysh’s consent to attack Khuza’a. Sohail Ibn Amr, Ikrima Ibn Abu-Jahl, and Safwan Ibn Umayyah helped Bani Bakr and even provided them with weapons to launch this attack, knowing that by doing this, both Bani Bakr and Quraysh would be breaking the treaty, which stated that there would be no war for ten years.

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The tribe of Khuza‘a was preparing for Umrah and spent the night in al-Wateer. Nawfal Ibn Mu‘awiyah and his companions attacked Khuza’a while they were sleeping and killed three of them. Khuza‘a ran to the Haram for shelter but Nawfal followed them and killed 20 of them inside the Haram. Killing in al-Haram was a great sin for the Arabs but the people of Bani Bakr were used to stealing there so killing was not that big of a deal for them. Khuza‘a rushed to Juthail Ibn Warqa’ but ten of them were killed on his doorstep. Juthail quickly sent Amr Ibn Salem to Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) to tell him what happened as fast as he could. Amr reached the Prophet’s Mosque and narrated to Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) what happened in the form of a poem. When Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) heard what happened, he said, “you are triumphant Amr Ibn Salem.” Prophet Muhammad SAWS could never stand treason and disloyalty. His plan was the conquest of Makkah. He did not inform his companions about Quraysh’s treason because he did not want bloodshed. It was time to consolidate Islam in the Arab Peninsula.

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Amr Khaled said: Revenge was never the aim of Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) although Quraysh had tormented him and his companions for nearly 20 years in Makkah. Quraysh was the cause of Khadija’s death and they killed his beloved uncle Hamza, but he still wished them guidance. Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) was an example of tolerance, forgiveness, benevolence, strength, power, wisdom, and all sublime ethics. Quraysh now gathered in Dar-an-Nadwa to discuss the issue. Abdullah Ib Abi-as-Sarh was once a Muslim and stayed with Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) in al-Madinah for one year but later became an apostate because he did not acquire a high rank among Muslims after accepting Islam. He told Quraysh that they could either pay blood money, or send the murderers to Khuza‘a to take their revenge, or declare war. Abu-Sufyan had another plan. He did not know that Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) already knew of what happened, so he decided to go to al-Madinah to offer Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) a peace treaty with a new date, under the pretext that Abu-Sufyan himself did not attend the treaty of al-Hudaybiya. By that, it would seem that Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) did not have the right to retaliate for what happened to Khuza‘a as it took place before the new treaty. Hence, Abu-Sufyan took off to al-Madinah. He headed to his daughter Ummu Habiba, Prophet Muhammad’s wife. It is noteworthy that Abu-Sufyan was very happy to marry his daughter to Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) as he knew that the latter would honor and respect her.

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Amr Khaled said: When Abu-Sufyan entered al-Madinah no one harmed him because they were committed to the treaty. Prophet Muhammad’s companions used to wonder about Ummu Habiba’s feelings towards her husband, Prophet Muhammad, and her father Abu-Sufyan who led the Quraysh armies to fight the Muslims. The following incident bears an answer to their queries. When Abu-Sufyan met his daughter in her house, she refused to allow him to sit on Prophet Muhammad’s bed telling him that he was unclean. One has to point that Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) originally urged people to respect their parents even if they were disbelievers, but in this case the father was the leader of the Muslims’ biggest enemy. Abu-Sufyan went to meet Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) who had a clear political vision and was sure that Abu-Sufyan came to seek a new treaty. Prophet Muhammad told Abu-Sufyan, with remarkable self-composure and tolerance with his enemy who had just broken the treaty, that they were still loyal to their commitment to the treaty so there was no need for another one, unless Quraysh did otherwise. Abu-Sufyan assured Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) that nothing had happened and hence, failed to sign a new treaty with the Muslims.

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Let us look at the following Verse from the King James Version Bible: "And Enoch [Idris in Arabic, one of Allah Almighty's Prophets peace be upon all of them to the people of Israel.] also, the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord came with ten thousands of his saints, to execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard [speeches] which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. (Jude 1:14-15)"

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Let us also look at the following Verse: "And he said, The LORD came from Si'-nai, and rose up from Se'-ir unto them; he shined forth from mount Pa'-ran [Mecca in Arabic], and he came with ten thousands of saints: from his right hand went a fiery law for them. (The King James Version Bible, Deuteronomy 33:2)" According to Islam's history, when Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and his followers faced hostility from the people of Mecca (Paran), they had to leave the city. They fled to the City of "Yathrib" which was called later "Madina" where Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him continued to spread Islam to all of the Arabs and then later to the countries near by.

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Amr Khaled said: When he got back to Makkah, Abu-Sufyan related what happened to the people there. They said: "Young Ali who used to play among us as a kid years ago succeeded to mock you, Abu-Sufyan. The same Ali whom we all laughed at when he embraced Islam at the age of ten." Abu-Sufyan burnt with rage and went out to the idols and said: "I swear I will never worship anyone but you as long as I my lungs do breathe." You know why he said so? He felt inside that he is about to stop worshipping them. After Abu-Sufyan left, Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) went to Aa'isha (RA) and asked her to help him get prepared for battle. He related to her how Makkah had broken the treaty. He told no one but her. See how the Prophet entrusted a woman for a military secret! See his appreciation for women! Can this man who had trusted a woman for a military secret mean by 'mentally and religiously imperfect' that women are mentally retarded than men? Surely not. He just said it while kidding with women during Eid. By mentally imperfect, he meant that in women emotions sometimes overcome their intellect, while by religiously imperfection, he meant that they are excused from worship during certain days every month.

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Amr Khaled said: Abu-Bakr then came and saw Aa'isha preparing the Prophet's fighting clothes. He started inquiring if the Prophet had intended to fight the Romans or the people of Hawazen (a name of an Arabic tribe), or if he intended to fight Quraysh. Aa'isha did not answer any of his inquiries. She just smiled to him every time he asked. This is a piece of advice for you women. Never ever to tell your husbands' secrets to anyone, even to your fathers. Prophet Muhammad then started calling upon his people to get prepared for the war. "Against whom will we fight?", they all asked. "You will know later", answered the Prophet. He wanted to keep it as a secret because he was afraid the Munafiqeen (hypocrites) of Al-Madinah or even the Muslims there might tell Quraysh. He wanted to make it as a surprise for Quraysh so that no bloodshed would take place. He even called upon the nearby tribes who embraced Islam to come and join the army. Yet, he kept the destination a secret from them too. Everyone was eager to know, so some of the Ansar wrote some poetry lines in which they praised the Prophet then ended it by the question "where will our destination be?" They went to present their lines before the Prophet and when they reached the question, the Prophet smiled to them, shook his head, and then left. See how the prophet kept the secret! See the personality of the Prophet! Imagine when you meet him by the door of paradise and embrace him affectionately! When you tell him I love you dearly!

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Amr Khaled said: The Prophet then called Abu-Bakr and Omar and talked to them for a long time. It seemed that he had told them because the companions heard Omar saying loudly "O, Prophet! They have expelled you and called you a magician. They have called you a madman." As the narrator of the incident relates, it appeared like the Prophet (SAWS) was trying to soften Omar's heart towards them, whereas Omar wanted to fight them. Then Prophet Muhammad sent his intelligence agent Talha Ibn Ubayd Allah and seven others to wipe out the route to Hawazen. See the Prophet's trick! The news spread all over Al-Madinah that the Prophet intended to fight Hawazen, exactly what the Prophet wanted to happen. Many tribes started to join the Prophet's army: Aslam, Ashgaa, Ghifar...etc. The Prophet prayed for every tribe as it showed up. See how he used to bring the hearts of Muslims closer. His prayers remained a source of pride for every tribe till the Day of Judgment.

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Amr Khaled said: See how the Prophet was working hard to unite Muslims everywhere, while we nowadays, dispute upon very tiny fiqh (jurisprudence) issues and get away of each others because of that. This was never the Sunnah of the Prophet. His Sunnah aims to draw Muslims closer and not to draw them away from each other. While getting prepared for the battle, Hafez Ibn Abu-Baltaa, who was sitting with the Prophet while receiving Amr Ibn Salem, and who had witnessed the Battle of Badr, sent to Quraysh to inform them that the prophet had intended to fight them and asked them to take their measures. He wrote a letter to Abu-Sufyan and gave it to a woman and ordered her to hide it and start her way towards Makkah using an unfamiliar route. So, Allah (SWT) sent Jibril (Gabriel) to tell Prophet Muhammad about it. See when Allah sends the revelation! Notice that during the previous period and in the Battle of Khaiber, no revelation was sent, because Allah always sends it with a message and when the matter is one of danger. If Quraysh knew about it, they would surely fight the Prophet, so the revelation was sent to keep peace. Upon knowing, the Prophet sent Ali and Al-Zubair and asked them to fetch this woman and bring her before she reached Makkah. They found her and asked her for the message. "I swear I have no messages", she said repeatedly. "Neither the Prophet nor Jibril (Gabriel) was a liar. Get the message out", said Al-Zubair. Upon threatening her to pull off her clothes till they got the message, she felt they were serious and got it out.

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--Striver 03:05, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Article is POV

It needs to be scrubbed of religious language, and more references added. Watt, to start. Also, more people were killed than just those ten. Zora 06:03, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Would you please enlighten us with references for the "real" number of causalities?--BelalSaid (talk) 00:11, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Article does not have reliable sources.

The article should have one of two things done to it:

• remove the "Biblical Prophecy" section due to inaccuracies and conjecture
• include a rebuttal to the "Biblical Prophecy" section, since most Biblical scholars are able to conclude that these "prophecies" are not of events that were to happen, but of events that happened in the past. See:
• "God's Messages Bible Commentary" by Leon D. Stancliff
• "Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible" by Matthew Henry (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/henry/mhc1.v.xxxiv.html) (relevant quotation: "blessed in what God had done for them already")
• numerous online Bible scholars. (http://www.conservanation.com/story.php?title=Islam-in-Bible-%28part-1%29--Deuteronomy-33)

Squinky86 16:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

• I've taken the first option. It is not attributed to anyone, and a peripheral topic at best. --99.245.206.188 (talk) 03:56, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Some sources say Khaled went Mecca on other side of Muhammad(saw). Khaled's army had casualities of three against 13 of Quraish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.202.207.14 (talk) 14:30, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

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I havn't checked this article in full, but why does it say;

The Muslim forces had gathered in strength and apparently Muhammad was waiting for a pretext to settle account with Quraysh and for the final attack and the conquest of Mecca.[2][3]

"Apparently", why does it sound like this page is only being edited by Christian Evangelics? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.86.161.196 (talk) 14:15, 28 December 2011 (UTC) AI AKRAM claimed of 3 Muslim and 10 Non Muslim death. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.187.53.141 (talk) 13:26, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

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Arsalan Ahmed Malik: I have edited this page and added some important missing information. I verified it from another user probably admin by the name User talk:CambridgeBayWeather I believe the neutrality is not disputed. Read the article and comment. Arsalanahmedmalik — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arsalanahmedmalik (talk • contribs) 17:28, 30 April 2012 (UTC)