Talk:Nickelback

Live Shows

• Seems to be sloppy and uncited. Anyone? TheDavesr 23:31, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Criticisms

By the way, take a look at Good Charlotte's page. Obviously that band has a lot of critics, but the page is very well done in terms of being neutral. This page needs that more.

Is it me, or is this page a battle between pro and anti- Nickelbackers? By the way, I have never heard Chad Kroeger mention anything about Led Zeppelin and would appreciate to have some proof of him comparing Nickelback to Zeppelin. 205.238.205.220 09:12, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Criticisms

The criticisms section of this article is unduly long. This article is about the band, not their critics. I'm planning to pare it down and keep a brief summary in its stead if there are no heartfelt objections. The section also cites no sources and is 99.9% weasel words like "critics argue" and "opponents suggest" and other sourceless potshots. Vincent Valentine 20:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

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Even though I'm not familiar with their music, I've heard that Nickelback is infamous for having its songs sound almost exactly the same. But my friend told me that there are two certain songs that have exactly the same length, tempo, key, rhythm, chords, entrances/exits, etc., and if you play them together, sound exactly the same except for lyrics, of course. Does anyone know which ones they are? Gus 22:21, 2004 Apr 14 (UTC)

I think he was referring to "Just Four" and "Just For," which was the same song re-released on Silver Side Up. Some of Nickelback's songs may sound similar but no others are exactly the same.

Also, the only reason "How You Remind Me" and "Someday" seem similar in the link is because the songs are in low quality.

--Er, no, they sound similar on a high-quality version as well. They use nearly identical chord progs, with a near-identical breakdown in the center. How about we put a link to the NPR article on the guy who discovered that they recycle their music? http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4258547- +

"Just For"

The line:

In Silver Side Up, Nickelback did something that not many bands do by recreating their own song with Just For. Some bands issue remixes or live versions of songs but Nickelback rerecorded a crunchier version of one of their more popular "Curb" songs.

should probably be removed. It isn't that uncommon for bands to re-record their older material. Admittedly rare, however it isn't quite so unique that it should be mentioned in a Wikipedia article :) MrHate July 1, 2005 11:11 (UTC)

Yeah, Nickelback fans are such cultural Philistines. Guided by Voices did it over a decade ago with "Game of Pricks" and "My Valuable Hunting Knife" - originally on "Alien Lanes" then redone for "Tigerbomb" EP. Neil Young also would release an acoustic solo version of songs then a rock version with Crazy Horse of songs such as "Hey Hey My My" and "Rockin' In The Free World".

NPOV

This article seems to advocate Nickelback (and I am a fan), particularly in the Criticisms section. It reads like an answer to Nickelback's critics. Also, the song commentary in the section on the new drummer isn't appropriate to the section, and possibly not appropriate at all, since wikipedia isn't the forum for song analysis.--Esprit15d 13:54, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Speaking of which, I suggest, for multiple reasons, a summary of the AMG review. What's there is too long, and I've better things to do over changing it myself. :) Drdr1989 22:54, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Criticisms

Is there any concern that this section uses too much text directly copied from www.allmusic.com? Wikipedia frowns upon plagerism. Would this section just be improved by using keywords of criticism from the All Music article?

I agree, the quote is bloody huge and serves little purpose but the author seemed lazy. Also the criticisms section is ridiculously large when compared to the size of the overall article. This alone seems rather biased to me. I mean the article has only basic factual data on the band and then dives headlong into criticisms which take up nearly half the article. Thoughts? -Vincent.

Fastest popular band?

They seem to be getting popular really fast. Not without reason but I think it could be bad for the band though.

"Openly gay"

User User:70.248.252.11 edited the article to say that the band is "openly gay" and added a link to an interview that allegedly shows this. The page to which the link goes says nothing of the sort, and a bit of googling also turns up nothing obvious. I'm removing the claim (and the link, which exists only to support it) pending the presentation of some actual evidence. What the fuck is wrong with you people, THEIR A GOD DAM BAND, relax, who cares about thier sexual prefrence

Sales

Um i added that there latest album went double platinum and this can be proven by the album charts on billboard.please check and varify.

Great. Well, read up on WP:CITE and resubmit your change, this time citing it. Thanks. --Yamla 20:07, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Need To know ALOT of Info about Nickelback

I need to find out alot about Nickelback and their manner of singing, also, If someone knew how get ahold of a singing program I would really like that Email me at; [nedeau88@yahoo.com]

This might be difficult, since Chad Kroeger is one of the world's most horrible singers... Adam Bishop 00:14, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I tend to completely disagree. I think Fred Durst would fit that bill. Oh wait; he's totally out of style now. to nedeau88 : do you mean lyrics?

drummer

can we clear up this drummer thing. some anonymous users keep changing the drummer. who is the current drummer and who is past?--Alhutch 04:38, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

NPOV, unencyclopedic?

I removed the following text from the article. It was added by 69.251.185.198. It is my opinion that the text is not neutral and may even fall prey to the WP:NOR rules. Does anyone have any comments? --Yamla 03:28, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Nickelback's style is best described as hard rock; no electronic sounds or DJs gueststar in their songs. The frontman Chad Kroeger is the "make or break" element of the band, with his distinctive, gravely voice that is capable of projecting a wide range of emotions, thanks to his control of pitch and tone. Most of their most popular singles don't contain any memorable guitar or drum solos; the sound is tight but Kroeger's voice carries and sustains the songs through verse and hook. The result is radio friendly hard rock with no frills; save some dubbing in a few of their songs for dramatic effect ("Figured You Out"). Nickelback has also acquirred some comparisons to bands of the 1970s, in the sense that they remain melodic despite playing hard, and seldom if ever require censorship.

As many bands, Nickelback's lyrics deal mostly with either acquirring romance, the loss of romance, or the transition between love and hate in relationships. Earlier albums included songs discussing problems many can relate to, such as parental desertion and domestic abuse. The hard rock sound contains melodic elements palatable to fans that usually would not listen to this genre. The context provided in Nickelbacks' songs also make it easy to create a mental picture of the subject matter; they seldom if ever speak metaphorically.

Their third album, "All the Right Reasons", sees a progression in their subject matter. Kroeger deals with nostalgia, friendships and the passage of time in one of the 2005 singles "Photograph". "Rockstar" has the band reflecting on the consequences of their new status as recognized musicians; something that is executed with solid ability and thought. The fact that Nickelback seldom touches on taboos in their lyrics (profane or otherwise) make their sound an easy option for both rock, alternative, and mix stations. This, predictably, is also what makes their detractors so vehement in their criticism.

explanation of article

I made the above edits to the Nickelback entry, having their latest 3 albums and having listened to all extensively. I will admit I was not familiar with the 'original research' policy; though I did my best to tone down my statements about their work and my personal opinion. The criticism section comes together to communicate a very unfavorable portrayel of the band; and I felt that some of their strengths should be mentioned. I did not mention the "Hero" single on the Spiderman soundtrack for this reason; it would seem too positive to mention their successes. Instead I focused on their style and tried to answer the inevitable reader question of where their style / appeal lies. All of the remarks concerning their musical style (lack of solos; kroeger being the driving force) is not a personal opinion; by listening to any of the last 3 albums kroeger's voice is always at the forefront; and instrumental solos are kept to a minimum. The description I included of their lyrical tendencies is also not an opinion; Nickelback tends to tell a story in all of their songs; they don't ever seem to use metaphors or abstract imagery.

Being in college; I am privy to the opinions of many indie rock DJs who despise this band. My final statement was meant to address their reasons for their distaste, as well as form a logical link to the Criticisms section. I admit that I did let some of my positive opinion of the band seep in; believing that the criticisms section seemed to indicate that an opposite section of sorts should exist. Maybe I should have split the Styles section up and just had 'styles' and 'strengths' or something to that effect; more in a musical context.

another thought

I've done some extensive additions and editing to other articles (mostly comics and television) shows, and never ran into a citing issue. Most of my information was simply from the shows directly; as I had memorized them. In defense of my previous submission, I believe that a straight description of their musical tendencies would serve as a valid identifier to a first time reader as long as no opinion was present. I do still believe that there should be a counter to the criticisms section.

changes made

sources have been cited and text reworked for a straight description of Nickelback's musical tendencies.

Who's "Vikedal"?

He's mentioned in the sentences about the Portugal debacle (the only reason I came to this page, since I know next to nothing about this band). I guess he's a former member. I'll leave it to those of you who know about him to add info on him as appropriate.

He's a former drummer. He seems to have been removed from most of the article. I think he was kicked out of the band and now they don't want anything to do with him. Matt "AgentA" 23:37, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Canada

Seeing as this is a canadian band, does anyone have any numbers on how well their songs have done on the canadian charts?

Is there really a difference between nu-grunge and post-grunge?

Photograph

Probably a stupid question, but, I can't tell if they mean the song photograph or an actual photograph?