Talk:Nickelback

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Copy and pasting the discography artcile[edit]

I see no need in copy and pasting the other article to here... let alone no attribution given. We have a different article for a reason. -- Moxy (talk) 15:03, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I agree. Why is it someone is trying to copy/paste the whole discography section to this already massive article? Sergecross73 msg me 15:04, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Lead and Rhythm Guitars[edit]

The page currently lists Chad Kroeger as lead guitar. Ryan Peake I listed as rhythm guitar. They both do Lead and Rhythm guitar parts while on stage so I feel they should both be listed as Lead and Rhythm Guitar. Any thoughts? Zackmadd (talk) 15:44, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

I made a spelling error I can't fix, it's suppose to say "Ryan Peake is listed" I accidentally out an I in there. Just so no one is confused. Zackmadd (talk) 15:46, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

If both are playing both rhythym and lead, then read it's just more accurate to list as "guitar". This would be especially true for a band like Nickelback, who plays rather simplistic guitar parts all the time. It's not like either is "leading the way" with all these crazy solos or complex interludes. Their both just playing simple power chords most of the time... Sergecross73 msg me 19:10, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks for your suggestion. I just edited it. I didn't make it distinguish between lead and rhythm. Zackmadd (talk) 20:07, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

It looks good. Thank you for hearing me out. Sergecross73 msg me 01:33, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

No problem. I think the timeline could stay the same for now . Zackmadd (talk) 15:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Meme critique[edit]

Why does this article make zero mention of the running gag in popular culture of how awful Nickelback is and someone who likes the music is likened to the town fool? Taric25 (talk) 22:19, 22 August 2015 (UTC)

I agree. Came to the article looking for this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.164.133.5 (talk) 11:07, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Feel free to write up a rough draft of what you think it should say, and how to include it, though you need to make sure that is sourced to what reliable sources say, and that its worded in a neutral manner. I imagine that, with Wikipedia's policies in place, this is going to be rather difficult to do. Feel free to propose though. Sergecross73 msg me 13:04, 18 September 2015 (UTC)
Whilst I agree that no official policies ought be suspended for this article more than any other, I do think this to be one of the (few but definite) instances where Wikipedia's own policies limit its potential. Does Nickelback play a HUGE role in online meme culture? Absolutely. Are we going to be able to find reliable sources and neutral text with which to convey the internet's collective disdain for Nickelback? Likely not. But is this article lesser for not having such info? Without a doubt. Just my 2¢. 164.68.25.123 (talk) 23:49, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
+1 A large part of their current notability is that they are the one artifact of 2000s North American popular culture people hate even more than the Star Wars prequel trilogy. Daniel Case (talk) 05:53, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
Again, you're all free to propose whatever content/reliable sources you want, but so far no one's proposed anything over the course of 8 months. You've got to keep in mind that this is an encyclopedia though, not a Facebook group or a blog or something - it needs to sound like something you'd read out of Encyclopedia Britannica, not a gossip blog or message board. We need to go by reliable sources say, and need to adhere to Wikipedia's living people standards as well. Sergecross73 msg me 12:34, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Nickelback is "nu metal"?[edit]

Wikipedia lists one of Nickelback's genres as "nu metal". There may not be an entirely clear definition of "nu metal" but I am pretty sure nearly all bands considered to be "nu metal" at least have some (if sometimes minor) rap influences (e.g. Linkin Park, Limp Bizkit, Korn). I do not hear much rap influence at all in Nickelback's music. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.55.106.102 (talk) 15:51, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

I don't personally agree with the term for them either, but on Wikipedia, we go by what third party reliable sources say on the matter, and if you check the references, a number of sources refer to them as such. And for the record, rap influences are common, but not required, in nu metal. Bands like Staind, Incubus, or Static X have all been tied to the label, and none of them really rap either... Sergecross73 msg me 15:56, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough I guess. I personally think that the term "nu metal" often is misused in the context "bad alternative metal" which is a label Nickelback pretty easily fits under. But I see your point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.55.106.102 (talk) 16:11, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

I agree. It seems to happen across all genre too. Bands often times get grouped into whatever genre is big at the time - there's often similar arguments on whether or not Smashing Pumpkins deserve to be lumped into the grunge movement, Luke Bryan/Taylor Swift being grouped into country music, people call every other electronic group today dubstep, etc etc. It gets so subjective that really all you can do, in the realm of Wikipedia's rules, is just go by what the sources tend to say... Sergecross73 msg me 16:21, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Nu-Metal?[edit]

I hugely dislike the Nu-metal label on Nickelback. Nickelback's music has never been nu-metal. By the definition of nu-metal, nu-metal has turntables, synthesizer, rapping, screaming and growling. Nickelback's music has no turntables, no rapping, no screaming and no growling. Nickelback never used a Nu-metal characteristic in their music. It is obvious that they are just a Post-grunge band with Hard rock influences. I could see why the nu-metal label is on bands like Staind because even though Staind doesn't rap, they still used screaming and they lacked guitar solos back in their first two major label albums. Nickelback however, did had guitar solos. I don't understand the whole nu-metal label on Nickelback? I am sure most people in the internet will not consider Nickelback music to be in the same vein as nu-metal. Neither do I. Sometimes it's clear to check what we hear and not of a lame and un-reliable source. I don't hate nu-metal, I actually like nu-metal. I enjoy listenting to bands like Papa Roach, Limp Bizkit, Linkin Park, Korn and others but Nickelback music is not that similar compared to those bands at all, other than the the electric guitars, bass and drums thing. Nickelback being nu-metal is definitely false, they were hugely popular around those nu-metal days but they were never compared to those nu-metal acts, they were compared to the post-grunge acts who were topping the charts in top 40 radios.( Mikeis1996 (talk) 23:41, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

  1. Please follow WP:BRD. Stop reverting until there is consensus.
  2. We go by what sources say - WP:V. Sources call them nu metal.
  3. While I don't personally consider them nu metal, there are similarities. Heavy, distorted guitars, angsty themes, being early 2000's rock, etc. Sergecross73 msg me 23:55, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

The second source is not reliable at all because it's not talking about the kind of music that they are playing, they are talking about the haters that Nickelback gets. It's not a record review or anything. Yes, Nickelback does has a couple of Heavy distorted guitars however, they don't have screamos/screaming, no rapping, no turntables, nothing to be compared to be nu metal other than being in the same era and having a couple of heavy distorted guitars. That source needs to be erase because it's not focusing on Nickelback being nu metal. I know I can't do anything about it but if false things are added then it needs to be erased.( Mikeis1996 (talk)

It's not about fake sources, it's about how people react into the music genre of the artist/band and most people in the internet never considered Nickelback to be nu metal. Even you don't considered Nickelback to be nu metal so why are you protecting/defending the label on Nickelback? I do agree that Wikipedia does goes along with what the sources say but not every source out there is real. The first source of Nickelback being nu metal doesn't show anything at all of them being nu metal so it's easy to actually delete that. The second source states that Although many music fans (myself included) may not particularly enjoy Nickelback’s overly generic brand of nu metal, does the band really deserve such heckling while putting on their show? The person is not talking about Nickelback's music and is only focusing on the hate that they get. It has nothing to do with reviewing their music or a song or a record. The sources are useless. They are poor sources that has nothing to do with Nickelback's music. One source shows nothing and the second source is only focusing on their hate. The State and Silver Side Up were released in the early 2000s, a time where nu metal was massively popular. The State and Silver Side Up were never considered to be nu metal records. I think the nu metal label on Nickelback is stretching it by a long shot. I won't hugely agree that Nickelback are Pop rock but they are hugely popular and Pop is shortened for popular but them being nu metal is way too much. The thing here is that, there was a nu metal movement and Nickelback was never part of it. Also, Nickelback doesn't appear in the nu metal article. Saying that Nickelback is nu metal, it's like saying bands like Creed or Hinder are also nu metal which is false..( Mikeis1996 (talk)

  • Like I said, I don't personally agree with it either, but we go by what reliable sources say on Wikipedia, and that user found some sources that say it.
  • Did you actually read the Consequence of Sound source? It calls them nu metal. And the current consensus is that they are a reliable source, as per their listing at WP:MUSIC/SOURCES. I admit that some of the sources were of low quality - when that user first added them, he included like 8 refs, and I trimmed out a bunch of them. But there were some that said it.
  • Most of the things you list above...are irrelevant. It doesn't matter who they toured with, or how much they rap. The traits you list are common, but not required for the genre. (Band like Staind, Puddle of Mudd, or Incubus (band) are commonly classified as nu metal, despite have little-to-no rapping or electronics involved.
  • Please don't lose sight of the actual content we're talking about here. We're talking about one tiny fraction of a sentence. Its not even mentioned in the infobox. Its a tiny fraction of the article that merely claims that sources referred to them as nu metal. It doesn't even call them nu metal, it merely says that people have called them nu metal. Right or wrong, the sources show that the claim has been made by source. But again, it's a tiny, tiny part of the article, all the way at the very bottom. Sergecross73 msg me 16:59, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

First of all, bands like Staind, Puddle of Mudd, or Incubus (band) all have something to do with nu metal. Incubus actually did rap in their S.C.I.E.N.C.E album and the band has turntables. Staind can also be considered to be nu metal because even though they didn't had no rapping or any hip hop element, they had heavy guitars and screamos/screaming. As for Puddle Of Mudd, I would never considered them to be nu metal because in reality they are not but they were helped by Fred Durst from Limp Bizkit so they have a nu metal connection because of that. If you take a look at it, a few bands that are not really nu metal are listed in those terms because they at least played in a dominant nu metal festival or they worked with someone that is a nu metal musician. Nickelback in the other hand has never work with a nu metal musician and has never played in a dominant nu metal festival. They have no screaming/screamos to be considered to be nu metal, they have no rapping, no turntables or any element of nu metal. I agree with you about the nu metal label being a tiny part of the article but some people can still read that and think that the band is actually nu metal. I think the best I can put is that, a few sources considered them to be nu metal but their music genre is really not however that might seem to childish, like a opinion trying to reach it's strength. There has to be something that claims that they are not nu metal, which in reality they aren't really nu metal at all. I am sure that label won't last long because most people don't consider Nickelback to be nu metal. Anyways, thanks for replying for my comment and having the time to read it.( Mikeis1996 (talk)

I can't stress enough how your personal interpretation of genre is unusable on Wikipedia - it's original research. That right there discounts about 90% of your argument. Please formulate a response that doesn't violate Wikipedia policy. Sergecross73 msg me 17:15, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

What do you mean about original research? Some of the things that I said are true. Bands like Staind, Puddle of Mudd, or Incubus (band) all have something to do with nu metal. Staind has screaming on their earlier release albums. Puddle of Mudd were helped by Fred Durst from Limp Bizkit which are hugely a nu metal band. As for Incubus (band) , they had rapping in their earlier releases and they have turntables which is a nu metal element. What's so fake about that? It's true. If you read on these bands articles on this site you will find that they have something to do with nu metal. I still don't considered Puddle Of Mudd to be nu metal but since Fred Durst helped them then, they will have a nu metal connection because of that but sound wise, Puddle Of Mudd are not really nu metal at all. Anyways, back to Nickelback, Nickelback were never nu metal. They are probably nu metal in your mind or in this site but most people don't considered them to be nu metal at all. I was watching the metal evolution and they have a nu metal section and Nickelback was definitely not included in that list at all. No, Nickelback is not nu metal at all. Not even close. Just for that, I should find sources to other bands that I think that are nu metal but I don't want to do that. Too lazy for that. In the nu metal article, it says, turntables, synthesizers, rapping, screaming, and growling. Let's take a look at Nickelback's music. The music of Nickelback doesn't have any turntables, any synthesizers, any rapping, any screaming and any growling. Give me a Nickelback song that is actually nu metal, you actually won't because they have none. They don't have any element to actually be nu metal. Nu metal was also a movement and Nickelback were never part of. It's like saying Metallica were glam metal because Metallica were around those hair metal days. That is not how it works. Thanks for replying though.( Mikeis1996 (talk)

Again, you need to argue in terms of things like what sources say, not all your personal observations and personal analysis on genre. Also, again, keep in mind that the article does not call them nu metal, it says they've been described as such, and this statement is confined to a fraction of a sentence. Sergecross73 msg me 05:12, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 1 May 2017[edit]

June 9, 2017 the June 9, 2017 needs to be changed to June 16, 2017 Ethanjaffee (talk) 03:16, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

@Ethanjaffee: Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Murph9000 (talk) 14:55, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

 Done - The same issue was recurring at the album article - people mentioning a new release date, but not offer a source. I dug one up. Ethanjaffee, please start adding references when you add, or request to add, new information to articles. Sergecross73 msg me 18:53, 1 May 2017 (UTC)