User talk:MBisanz

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Deletion of Wendy Bell O'Toole

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Bell_O'Toole You found the result of the discussion to be "delete" but the page has not been deleted yet, I was wondering what is going on with it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Julser1 (talk • contribs) 02:48, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

I see someone else fixed it. Thanks for reminding me. MBisanz ^talk 13:10, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Baby Police

Hi, you made it to redirect to this list, so far so good. But the movie doesn't show up there at all?! --Xario (talk) 22:07, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, would you consider answering? The problem still remains. --Xario (talk) 17:45, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

My apologies for missing this note. It should be there now. MBisanz ^talk 02:41, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Murder of Melissa Ketunuti

You relisted this AFD and I'm wondering why. 17 editors have chimed in and 12 of them say delete arguing WP:NOTNEWS for the most part. That sounds like delete to me....William 23:31, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

WP:RELIST reads "However, if at the end of the initial seven-day period, the discussion has only a few participants (including the nominator), and/or it seems to be lacking arguments based on policy, it may be appropriate for the closer to relist it, to solicit further discussion to determine consensus.

Of the 12 editors who said delete, they include

• Delete WP:NOT#NEWS.
• Delete. WP:NOT#NEWS applies; also fails WP:EVENT.
• Delete- I agree that WP:NOT#NEWS applies here.
• Delete Unpleasant, sad, even tragic, but wikipedia is not a news source. (WP:NOT#NEWS)
• Delete Fails WP:NOTNEWS.
• Delete: Reporting emphasizes the "sensational" nature of the crime, but not its notability.
• Delete - We need an adjunct guideline to WP:NOTNEWS called WP:NOTTRUECRIME.
• Delete I see nothing that suggests this murder meets WP:N/CA and WP:CRIME.

A relisting for an AFD that is over 2 to 1 in favor of delete and the delete crowd clearly argues WP:NOTNEWS. Why is this AFD still going on?...William 01:29, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

most of the delete votes were when the article was garbage and written like a two year old. One keep voter actually studied the not news and found that none of the 4 not news criteria applies. When we say not news, people fail to accurately apply the guideline and just think "thus is a news story so delete it". Well, 9/11 was news..but it, like Ketunuti, does not met the deletion criteria under not news.Bamler2 (talk) 18:59, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

{{WP:NOTNEWS]] was valid whatever the state of the article. More importantly WP:PERSISTENCE also applies since this story has already died out. Other than for the Doctor's funeral, there has been next to no news coverage. Comparing this to 9-11 is silly at best, and insulting at worst. I knew one of the people[1] killed that day....William 16:51, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Having had a second look, I've gone ahead and closed as delete. MBisanz ^talk 01:39, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Salt_Lake_Metro

MBisanz - would you please reconsider your close here. The two sources that were eventually found were both about the launch of the magazine and controversy immediately thereafter. Gongshow and NA1K both said they doubt the depth of coverage available qualified this subject for an article and both keep !votes suggest a redirect and I agreed with the redirect. The consensus appears to be redirect/delete to me.--v/r - TP 19:34, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I've undone and relisted it. I'd rather let people like you comment on Gong's interpretation of sources then try to guess on my own. MBisanz ^talk 22:43, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Musician / band info box

I don't know if you get a say in this, but can I make a request so we can add the nationality and the relationship (or marriage) for the musicians in their info box like how it's done on movie star pages? --Mr. Washee Washee (talk) 22:13, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

You can make a request at WP:VPP or on the talk page of the infobox template. I don't get a say in it. Thanks for letting me know. MBisanz ^talk 22:45, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

/* Murder of Dr. Melissa Ketunuti */

You relisted it then deleted the article within hours before anyone could comment. It would have been better if you allowed some time to pass after resisting. You also gave no reason. Most deleted and keeps are done this way but that does not make it right or optimal. Someone suggested that if your feelings were for deletion, that you redirect to CHOP since the event has the potential to grow and, if so, the previous writing and reference gathering would be helpful. Bamler2 (talk) 18:50, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

The reason I deleted after relisting was because I changed my mind after re-reading it and seeing the delete comments did cite substantial policy grounds and were sufficient for a close. Only one person thought of a redirect to Children's Hospital of Philadelphia and that was rebutted without further discussion. If the event does grow and attain partial or full notability, it can always be brought back at DRV. Would you like me to email you a copy of the article with the references in it? MBisanz ^talk 00:18, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

The article's creator, Gravelocator, has a copy of the article up on his user page. Bamler can go there if he wants it but that also brings up another matter. Is it proper to use your userpage for storing a deleted article?

attacking Mr. or Mrs. gravelocator by destroying their usepage is mean spirited. Some admins specifically allow others to work on their user pages as a sandbox. Bamler2 (talk) 16:10, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Per WP:STALEDRAFT "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content, or your preferred version of disputed content....William 16:24, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

As for a redirect, there was only one editor(not even yourself. You even said weak keep. BTW I checked the news yesterday, other than the doctor's funeral, this story has come to a standstill so far as media coverage. So WP:PERSISTENCE comes up. Murder of the week for Philadelphia sounds more like it than year.) who supported or mentioned it. 12 editors, or 13 counting the person who started the AFD(me) said delete and arguing WP:NOTNEWS. Relistings are for AFDs with little participation or where consensus is unclear. This AFD wasn't unclear, 13 to 5 in favor of delete and the 13 firmly rooted in WP policy....William 16:38, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of people with surname Jones

Hi there, I noticed you just closed this Afd. I happened to be typing a response when you did so and hit an edit conflict. I was wondering if you would you care to reopen this for this discussion? Funny ^Pika! 00:22, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Sure, although I may not relist it right away. MBisanz ^talk 00:22, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Funny ^Pika! 00:28, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Afd (PROUT in a Nutshell)

I have corrected a typo in your comment here and in the redirect. I hope you don't mind. Correct Knowledge^«৳alk» 00:31, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, that was my error. Thank you. MBisanz ^talk 00:33, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/K-99 Wamego Bridge (2nd nomination)

Would you be willing to reconsider this close and relist the debate instead? As I was arguing against Bushranger I do not believe that the sources that were found establish notability, and I would like the opportunity for more editors to weigh in on that matter. Thanks, Ks0stm ^{(T•C•G•E)} 03:01, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

I've relisted it, but I really don't see how it's going to change at this point. MBisanz ^talk 13:11, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hard dance

Hello. Apologies, I didn't have time to respond to the AfD prior to the hard dance removal, life has been hectic, so I'm raising my point with yourself as the admin involved.

As per Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Common_outcomes#Music, I'd say hard dance suffers a similar notability issue as the Alternative metal example. I believe the general evidence enough to support that 'hard dance' is not a postmodern term. Searching for "hard dance" "hard house" "hard trance" nu-nrg hardstyle -umbrella -wikipedia shows a great deal of circumstantial use of the term from the likes of music streaming/e-commerce, event, forum and social sites. For 'top down' usage by the people who produce and DJ the sounds, the decade strong Hard Dance Awards industry event is a notable data point.

Regarding finding paper based reference sources for the term - it appears a hard task, partly because no-one wordy leaning enough has had the time to write up a book good enough (i.e., like Brian Belle-Fortune's 'All Crews' is for the cultural details of drum and bass), partly because a lot of the information is locked away in media like magazines and newspapers (use of terms by journalists in reviews, or by acts in interviews).

Instead of deletion, I feel it would be worth going down the route of WP:DONOTDEMOLISH and making the article a stub again. (I'm kind of upset that no-one responded to or touched on my points, which included that idea, in the deletion discussion). Given the fairly whelming general evidence that could be cited, is there a policy that states that an article cannot indefinitely remain a stub until better references on the history of the scene related to the term are sourced? Thanks for your time. --MilkMiruku (talk) 17:19, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry you disagree with the close, but it appeared well-discussed and people did not support retaining it as a stub. While a sourced article may remain a stub indefinite, an article for while no reliable sources exist cannot remain, as a stub or otherwise. That you agree no one has written extensively on it makes me further reluctant to revisit the AFD close, as circumstantial evidence can't serve as a replacement for reliable sourcing. MBisanz ^talk 23:36, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Misuse of User page?

Bamler2, like I noted with Gravelocator[2] up above, is using[3] their user pages to store a copy of the deleted Murder of Melissa Ketunuti. As I read WP:STALEDRAFT, "Userspace is not a free web host and should not be used to indefinitely host pages that look like articles, old revisions, or deleted content, or your preferred version of disputed content." So should a administrator take down these drafts as improper use of a user page?...William 18:00, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

I've put a tag on it that will remove it from search engines. Assuming the tag isn't removed, there is no harm to letting him keep it, so I wouldn't worry about it. MBisanz ^talk 23:37, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple#Ksriram1978 .E2.86.92 Sriram Kannan

Hi Matthew. This CHU/S request has been sitting for a few days and I'm wondering how it should be processed. I've corresponded with the user, who seems to have a self-promotional userpage, a concern articulated by another clerk as well. He insists that the rename is for non-promotional purposes (and I'm inclined to assume good faith, since a real name is not a violation in and of itself). Perhaps speaking with the editor about his userpage is the most judicious way to proceed? Thanks, Tyrol5 [Talk] 22:56, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah.... I'm inclined to deny the rename request as all of his edits have been to his clearly promotional userpage. I think I'll decline it on that basis and leave the door open if he either changes his userpage or contributes to the content of the project. MBisanz ^talk 23:39, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, thinking about it, that's probably the best way to go. Sorry for bugging you, by the way; just wasn't sure how to proceed and thought the request merited some sort of response. Tyrol5 [Talk] 00:29, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

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