Talk:Opie and Anthony

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OnA userboxes

I have created a userbox for fans of the show to put on their user pages. Placing "{{user OnA}}" on your user page includes you in the Opie and Anthony Pest Category. Check the userbox page for directions on how to add it to your profile and include yourself as a pest.DanielZimmerman 04:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Tuesday Night Hummer Club

To whomever keeps removing the Tuesday Night Hummer Club info - this was a huge part of the show and belongs in the article unless there is a good reason to keep it out. Tufflaw 04:28, May 10, 2005 (UTC)

Phillips Phile

Why does the Phillips Phile attack have multiple paragraphs dedicated to it - yet Sex For Sam III is just gleaned over?

External links

Leave Wackbag on external links all you jelous a-holes at Postwhores. Just because Wackbag is better and is actually mentioned on air doesn't mean you need to remove the external link because your site isn't getting enough attention. Grow up fellas. -Weters 15:54, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Jimmy Norton

Norton is commonly called a frequent guest in the article. I would call him a co-host. He's in 90% of the shows. CaptainAmerica 04:50, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

How is he referred to on the show? Tufflaw 20:50, Jun 12, 2005 (UTC)

Well, they joke about him riding their coattails to success. Still, he's more of a co-host. What point does a 'regular guest' become a 'co-host' or 'sidekick'? CaptainAmerica 04:22, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Is he paid to be on the show? Tufflaw 04:45, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

I think so. Not the 30 million that O&A get, but he probley gets some money for it. CaptainAmerica 18:04, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

There should be a way to find out - he's not listed on the official site as a host of the show, he's listed as a "friend of the show" along with Vos, etc. He may be an extremely frequent guest, but I don't think he's considered a co-host. Tufflaw 04:23, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

JImmy definately gets paid well by the show - it has been stated many times on the show. He is an employee of XM Radio, as he personally refers to Eric Logan as his boss and had a whole bit created around him having to go to sensitivity training (which was a joke played on him by O&A).

he is definately a co-host... remember his idea to rename the show "norton & friends" ? --Kvuo 18:56, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

O&A Army Assaults...

Given all the furor over assaults on other radio hosts, not just Philips but several others in recent memory, perhaps that warrants it's own section?

Sounds good to me. Bbatsell 17:13, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I think the Arthur Ch'ien thing warrants a mention, but the Phillips Phile thing is just ridiculously stupid to be getting that much play. I mean, it was two days of the show, and it's not even that great radio, especially since Phillips won't allow audio from his show to be played and get tooled on.

Baby Jesus weeps when you don't sign your articles, so I signed it for you! Enjoy. Payneos 22:38, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

64.21.118.219

64.21.118.219 Please stop. Ahh, nevermind, User_talk:64.21.118.219

Lewis Black

He's not dead to the show, and the section with "were also regular guests on the Opie and Anthony Show. Neither Clay, Breuer nor Black appear on the XM version;" is true except for Lewis, he has been on the show recently.

When was he on the show recently? I must have missed that one... O&A have said multiple times that Black is dead to the show, after he went on Stern in NYC and didn't come on O&A a few months ago. Bbatsell 04:02, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

It seems to me that Lewis is dead to the show. The last time I heard him was months ago on a call-n, before the Stern appearance. Lewis has also been removed from Foundry's "friends of the show" links. That speaks volumes, IMO. --Haborym 07:17, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Minor Peeve:

I've noticed that many of the high/low lights are entered in present tense and, as time passes, they don't really work well in context. Things like "Opie, Anthony, Jim Norton, and friends of the show are starting an online auction" and "Beginning September 12, 2005 Ron and Fez will broadcast weekdays" seem dated now. Anyone care to update their entries, or have any problems with my going through and fixing them? --Haborym 07:17, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Background:

This section is pretty lacking. It goes from talking about OnA getting together at WBAB immediately to their being fired from WAAF. Foundry has a great history of OnA. Can we include this as background, or at least incorporate some of that information into this background. The background we have now has holes big enough for Ben's Hog to slip through. Can we contact Ben to see if we can swipe some of the Foundry stuff? --Haborym 07:33, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Go for it slacker. Foundry might not be the most upstanding source for O&A Material, but it's indeniably the most reliable. Might want to check with Martini Steve though. --Payneos 8:40, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

check out the first few lines of the Background section now. i guess the zombies have problems spelling "experiment." if you're going to vandalize, at least take a few spelling classes. there's no "a" in "experiment."

We can fix it when it gets unprotected. I requested the protection to try to get some respite from the constant barrage of vandalism from a bunch of IPs. Wikibofh 23:21, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

I got a hold of Tony who locked the page and had him fix it. AHSports 24 September 2005

68.38.63.172

I'm not sure if user 68.38.63.172 is a fan or not, but they are vandalizing the page. Please stop. --Haborym 00:59, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Pests:

Please don't screw with the article "willy-nilly". Wikipedia is supposed to be a real encyclopedia. Edit the article properly at least. --Kvuo 01:40, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

And I might add, true wikipedians can revert and erase obvious vandalism in 4 clicks, so don't waste your time. --Kvuo 02:58, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm not a pest and i am not vandalizing Wikipedia but people keep erasing everything I put in there. May be they just mistake me and think I am trying to plug a site or something. I understand -- [[User:]]

there are several O&A fans from wackbag.com (pests) that have took it upon themselves to start vandalizing all howard stern related articles, and O&A articles too.. none of them understand wikipedia, so I figure vigilant rv's will apparently be the course of the day for some time until they realize what a waste of time wiki-vandalism is.. --Kvuo 02:27, 6 October 2005 (UTC)

I understand now. I will delete the post i made above this one about "don't delete". I thought it was stern fans erasing my stuff or something. Its alright now.

Paul but no Denise?

Shouldn't Denise also be listed as a character? The reason for Paul's racism and his "no-filter" label is mainly the actions of Denise. Plus it is not noted that Paul is Norton's merchandise manager for eatabullet.com. Going further on this topic, why is Ben not mentioned as the exec. producer, but there are references to Ben's Hog? And where are E-Lo, Stray-Lo, etc. and Master Po? Club Soda Kenny? The supporting cast is much larger and needs to be added. ConciergeMike 19:17, 8 October 2005 (UTC)ConciergeMike

Awesome Garrett

I heard he is a producer for some show now. Any ideas?

Forums Links

There seems to be a dispute over what forum links should be included. If O&A forum links are being included, then they should be. Not just the ones that certain people disire. People looking to learn about Opie & Anthony (which is why they'd look it up in a wikipedia)should have access to views and opinions of more than just the heavily censored forums that offer only one opinion. --Attention Whore

Agreed. I consistently remove links to forums, as I do not believe they're generally of any use to people researching the topics of articles. Obviously there are exceptions (for example, articles about forums, or forums that specifically exist to help people), but I will not miss the links here, certainly. As far as I'm concerned, they're here largely to advertise themselves. —HorsePunchKid→龜 05:54, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Generally, forums are non-notable. However, Wackbag (along with a couple of others) is most definitely notable if only because O&A address them, post on them, and read from them nearly daily on their program. A forum with just over 5,000 posts is not a notable link. --bbatsell | « give me a ring » 06:13, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Frenchy: "He no longer appears on the program"

Frenchy HAS been on the show recently, just infrequently, so that's incorrect, and shouldn't have been reversed.

oh really, when was the last time? was he mentioned as Frenchy by the boys? you are incorrect sir.

The latest mention was during the Halloween broadcast. That recent enough for ya?

oh you mean the halloween broadcast which wasn't even supposed to be on the radio? how about you reference a time recently where he either called into the show or was an in studio guest? Go Back to the dump on Staten Island.

Gosh, it WAS on the radio wasn't it? So, there goes your argument, but for another nail in the coffin, there was the in studio film readings. Plain and simple, Frenchy isn't dead to the show. he just appears infrequently. Personally, I don't care for him, and it seems you really don't, but when I correct a factual error, I don't expect it to be reversed on the basis of personal dislike alone. Again, "He no longer appears on the program" is a factual error which needs to be corrected. Toodles

Oh the in studio readings which were a worst of from early in 2005? you have failed again you useless nothing. he is dead to the show. he is never mentioned on air by O&A during a normal radio broadcast, other than a worst of (that satisfy you jackass?), they never do impersinations of him like they used to, he is dead to the show. bye sweetie

People let's please try to remember WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL. Also please sign your messages with four tildes like this: ~~~~. This will automatically add your name and the time after your comments. Thanks! Tufflaw 04:56, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

how is he dead to the show? Its not like Anthony's girlfriend did anything with him. Like the Spaz thing.

Celeb Friend Edit

What about Denis Leary as a celebrity friend?

Howard Stern: Fucko List

I don't know who did it, but nice try. He stuck out on the friends section like a sore thumb of a crying baby.

Spaz and Melinda's Lobster Encounter

Why does this keep getting censored? Tufflaw??? The Spaz incident is an interesting part of O&A history. This isn't Wackbag. Lets keep it complete and unbiased.

"It is alleged"? This is an encyclopedia, not a gossip column. Tufflaw 04:58, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

It's not alleged, it's FACT! It happened on the radio with millions of listeners hearing it. That's about as fact as anything gets! Attention Whore

There is audio of it. It happened. --IAMTHEPEOPLESCHAMP 23:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

The fact that Anthony's girlfriend Melinda (Lobster Girl performed felletio on (ex)members of the show is fact, and part of the Opie & Anthony show. Censoring it because Anthony may rather people not know about his girlfriend's history is like Bill Clinton expecting the Monica Lewenski scandel not been in his entry. User: Attention Whore

seriousally, this stuff should not be edited out. this is all a part of O&A history, even if Anthony doesn't want it out.--IAMTHEPEOPLESCHAMP 21:08, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

This shouldn't be censored. Wikipedia should be an unbiased site not leaning towards any side. I think there should be an paragraph about Spaz, Lobster Contest and everything. - Flash Virus

Agree with Flash Virus. Stop censoring this objectively presented info under the false guise of "vandalism"; this is not a Wackbag.com fan site. If you have objections about they way the information is presented, discuss it here. But stop censoring Wikipedia.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.68.165.94 (talk • contribs) .

Tufflaw, why are you so afraid of this story? The incident happened, it has nothing to do with Stern/SFN. Stop being a suck-up Wackbag-style censor.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.68.165.94 (talk • contribs) .

First, I suggest you read WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL before you decide to edit again. Second, I'm not "afraid" of anything. I've never been to wackbag.com, and I don't know what this has to do with Howard Stern or SFN, whatever that is. I've been listening to O&A since 1998, and I never heard of this incident - not to say that it didn't happen, but I've never heard of it, other than here. Even assuming arguendo that it occured, the question then becomes whether it's appropriate for an encyclopedia, which I would say it does not, certainly not in its current form. Tufflaw 02:09, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Also, please sign your messages with ~~~~. Thank you. Tufflaw 02:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

This incident did indeed happen, here is the audio: [1]

Since there in an entry for Spaz (as there should be), any discussion of the reason for his fallout with the show is 100% appropriate for this Wiki article. Now that you have proof of the incident, I would suggest any further censorship would be violate WP:NPOV. If you object to "its current form", please suggest an alternative presentation. But stop the wholesale censorship. 71.0.229.22 01:07, 6 March 2006 (UTC)Mombox

Accusing someone of censorship is a personal attack. I listened to the audio, which doesn't show any proof that the person who was in the closet with Spaz is Anthony's current girlfriend. If there is any proof of that whatsoever I will drop my objection to that material being included in the article. As it stands however, I'm going to edit accordingly. Tufflaw 05:29, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

And by the way, regardless of whether this eventually stays in the article or not, this portion "any mention of the lobster/Mellinda/Spaz encounter is dumped out from the show, edited/filtered from the Wackbag.com forums, and hastily censored from Wiki artices by protective "pests"" is clearly POV and unencyclopedic. Remember we're trying to create an encyclopedia here, not satisfy somone's agenda. Tufflaw 05:32, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Are you saying you have no agenda, Tufflaw? MGlosenger 06:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I do have an agenda - trying to create an online encyclopedia. Why are you here? Tufflaw 14:31, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I am here to document the truth. I find it amusing that you earlier said you're 'not here to satisfy someone's agenda' and yet now you admit you yourself have an agenda. Therefore you either a) are here to satisfy someone's agenda, yours or b) should stop editing the O&A page immediately. MGlosenger 02:59, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

You are either being intentionally obtuse or you're being serious. Either way, until you're ready to have a legitimate discussion I don't think it's worth responding to you anymore. Tufflaw 04:40, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

You can attempt to insult me all you like, but you'll still be a hypocrite. I find it interesting that someone who is a self-proclaimed assistant district attorney so blithely flouts logic. Is hypocrisy part of being a prosecutor? MGlosenger 01:10, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I find it funny that MGlosenger is a Howard Stern fan. Funny that now Sternfannetwork's element has this now. Why? Because someone told them this lie.

http://www.sternfannetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=83038 172.170.200.181 17:13, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Tufflaw, just because you don't know that Melinda from the Lobster/Spaz incident in Anthony's girlfriend doesn't make it not true. Not everybody knows everything. That's why Wikipedia exists, so people can learn things. People who have been following O&A since the early NEW days are aware of the Melinda/Lobster girl story. It's part of the history of the show and deserves to be inthe article.

Oops, the above was from me. Attention whore 00:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Tufflaw, but for different reasons. Personally, I don't see why it matters. The line where "mentioning lobster or Spaz will get you banned on some websites" is clearly a shot at wackbag, which is wholly not fair because it's well known that Anthony frequents there and not the other message boards as much, thus they were simply respecting his wish for it to be kept on the "down low." I think as a respectable and fair encyclopedia, it should be limited to as objective as possible and as limited in detail as possible, to avoid too much... friction. Payneos 05:00, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

The reason it matters is twofold. First, if our goal to create a worthwhile and usable encyclopedia, the information contained within it must be accurate and encyclopedic. If it's true that Anthony is dating "Lobster Girl", I would agree that merits a mention (worded appropriately), but only if it's true. Second, if it isn't true, then not only are we propagating inaccurate information, but we're propagating potentially libelous information. Nobody wants another Seigenthaler debacle. Tufflaw 05:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Anyone who's seen the pictures and seen Melinda at one of their road shows/seeing comics perform/O&A events knows it's the same girl. What "proof" are you looking for Tufflaw? A preponderance of evidence, or BRD? Is Fez, on the air, thanking Anthony and Melinda after his heart attack proof? If anyone actually liked Don and Mike enough to record their show, there's a part when they were in the NY studios and had Melinda on their show for a few minutes. Is that proof? This is pretty common information among serious fans, despite attempts at keeping it quiet. Attention whore 05:47, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Lewis Black

the voyage bus incident should be expanded.

Beware of Trolls

This Wiki is under attack from SFN. The gossip about Anthony's girlfriend does not belong here. [2]

Uhm, gossip, are you talking about the spaz lobster incident? That's not gossip, that is true. I say that as a fan of the Opie & Anthony Show. There IS audio of it. If you need proof of this, just send me an email, and I'll send you the audio... again, I say this as a fan of the Opie & Anthony show, and not a troll from a board who gives people "The Gay". --IAMTHEPEOPLESCHAMP 16:16, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

i'd also like to add this question: why did one troll decide to vandalize the Sporting News Radio page? What possible reason would one have to think that Sporting News Radio has any affilation with O&A? --IAMTHEPEOPLESCHAMP 16:22, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

the Spaz/Melinda thing should be included in the Opie and Anthony article. It shouldn't be censored, Spaz was a big part of the show. And that bit was big, no matter how much Anthony hates Spaz now.

-- Flash Virus

This incident should be included. Do we really need to take this to voting & get a consensus? 199.201.168.100 12:36, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

False Information Abounds

People keep editing this page to create false infomation. Although Wiki insists that no more than 3 reverts be made in 24 hours by any one individual it is obvious that more than that must be done to combat vandilism. I can change my IP as much as I please to keep this page factual and unadulterated by SFN trolls. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.236.39.17 (talk • contribs) .

Continued Edits and POV are starting to become a problem. Have requested assistance on the matter but who knows if that will change anything. (Countzer 17:44, 10 February 2006 (UTC))

This whole article is filled with tons of lies and biased personal opinions from Opie & Anthony fans. There is no encyclopedia type information here. Just an advertisement article filled with lies. Redd Dragon 19:41, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I would like to know what Red Dragon considers lies. Name them if you can. There are no lies, and no biased opinion. We are dealing with straight up fact, and verifiable information. Nice attempt

at spin, but you are failing to make an impression on this entry. (Countzer 21:47, 10 February 2006 (UTC))

Continued Removal of External Links

Tufflaw posits that wikipedia is not a collection of links, and I agree. However, five links to highly relevant external resources does not a collection make. These links are regularly mentioned on the show. Also, please reference the randomly selected TV shows Oprah, Saturday Night Live, and The Family Guy. There are many more external links on these pages. (68.236.39.17 21:44, 10 February 2006 (UTC))

Per WP:EL: "Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such. In extreme cases, a link to a web directory of fansites can replace this link. (Note: fanlistings are generally not informative and should not ordinarily be included.)" (Emphasis added.) Tufflaw 01:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Right now that is a proper listing, let's face it. wackbag is most relevant messageboard, and o&a.com and FM are the only official sites, so they should be the only 3 to be there. Of course people are going to change it though. Whether you like the links or not, simply read WP:EL, and stop causing trouble. --IrisKawling 03:39, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok but OAVirus.com is not a fan site per say but a collection of downloadable show bits. This is relevant and a good resource for anyone who is attempting to learn about Opie and Anthony. I am rv to include this important link. Also, if editing out irrelevant links is so important have you edited the links on the Wiki entries I have used as examples? (Count Zero 07:07, 12 February 2006 (UTC))

Forums and Messageboards play a big part in the Opie and Anthony show. I think it is important to add boards like OpAcktool, Opieanthony.net, etc.. (Flash Virus

NPOV TAG

I am removing the tag as it was placed by a repeated vandal, who has not discussed it yet on this talk page. (Count Zero 22:27, 10 February 2006 (UTC))

Neutral Point of View

This article isn't neutral.

Agreed. There is a ton of needless information. Most of it added by the fans becomes hopelessly dated within days of it being posted. A good 85% of this article can be excised. Also the listing should be added under the "Howard Stern" catagory since there are multiple mentions of him in this article and his name adds relevance to this entire listing

Vandalism

Wow, I posted on the discussion page and everything, and yet my posting about the O&A page hardly being neutral was 'vandalism'? You don't seem to be following Wikipedia procedures at all! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.239.183.254 (talk • contribs) .

Actually, your vandalism of this article can be found here [3], where you added: "* O&A are a virus, and once contracted, there is no cure. The O&A virus causes AIDS and sufferers soon die." and also here [4], where you blanked the entire page and replaced it with "Have fun catching a virus, morons." Tufflaw 21:42, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

I never vandalized anything. I added the 'neutral point of view disputed' heading to the article and posted about it on the talk page.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.190.139.254 (talk • contribs) .

Are you that stupid? IP addresses don't lie.

We need some consensus

This is getting a little ridiculous with the constant bickering and revert warring. I think we need to really work on making this a legitimate article with information that we can all agree on. We need to eliminate the POV and the excess garbage, and try to just provide some useful information about Opie and Anthony, keeping in mind that this is NOT a fan site, but an encyclopedia article. It might be wise to work on the article section by section, rather than all at once. It might be a good idea for an admin to temporarily protect the page while this is happening. Thoughts? Tufflaw 02:46, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Well my so called censorship, which I call rv Attentionwhore's vandalism is the removal of phrases such as this "has since been used as little more then an awful pun-using puppet, and occasionally used to knock Howard Stern's "I invented everything" claims. It's been a while since we've heard from Liddy."

Which is obvious POV. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black (Count Zero 01:54, 16 February 2006 (UTC))

External Links on O&A's Page

Hey. The links to O&A's sites and fan sites are being posted up there and deleted almost daily. Please stop doing this. Only delete something if the site doesn't exist anymore. But the fan sites Wackbag.com,Opieanthony.net, Opacktool.com, etc.. are all still there, no need to take them off.

As I've mentioned before, please read WP:EL. Thank you. Tufflaw 03:09, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Attentionwhore, POV and Vandalism

The repeated edits to this page by Attentionwhore are vandalism Below is the breakdown of his changes, while he claims that I am vandalizing the page. Laughable.

Removal of Relevant Broadcast Information "- The live broadcast is also included free in a set of XM Satellite Radio channels included with DirecTVsatellite TV service. - - The Opie and Anthony show also offers live in studio web cam broadcast via the pay service PalTalk. The in studio web cameras were recently placed on 24 hour feed due to interns of the Ron and Fez show disturbing the show's equipment. - - Additionally, Opie and Anthony show archives, as well as best of CD's can now be downloaded from Audible.com. "

Attentionwhore Tell 'em Fred", which has led to the subsequent over-usage of the familiar show term

Countzer Tell 'em Fred", which has led to the subsequent usage of the familiar show term

Attentionwhore In December 2005 Opie announced there will be no more golden tickets, and the concept has not been mentioned since.

Countzer In December 2005 Opie announced there will be no more golden tickets, and the concept has rarely been mentioned since, except by callers.

Attentionwhore The Removal of ALL classic O & A moments without discussion on the talk page.

Attentionwhore Removal of a link to an audio Database of O&A clips, highly relevant for anyone curious about what they do. - http://www.OAVirus.com OAVIRUS Classic O&A audio

Attentionwhore Removal of these catagories which are relevant - Category:American radio personalities|Cumia, Anthony - Category:American radio personalities|Norton, Jim - Category:American radio personalities|Hughes, Greg

You're right CountZero. I apologize. I've just been reverting back to the stuff you're attempting to censor out. I'll add the stuff again by editing, and then there should be no problem with you removing it again, correct? -- Attention Whore

Opieandanthony.com Header Image

The image is too wide and screws up the layout of the article for users with low screen resolutions. Furthermore, the use of the full-size header in it's original resolution does not qualify as fair use. Love, 70.237.90.43 05:24, 16 February 2006 (UTC) God

You can reduce the size, but do not delete content from articles. Thanks. ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 05:35, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Is that why you deleted half of the page 70.237.90.43 aka "God"?

I did not do that on purpose, I accidentally hit the "Save Page" button and pressed stop right away. That is why I corrected my mistake right away. By the way: please learn to sign your comment, mighty mysterious person you. I have a hunch you might be "Angry Typing Guy." 70.237.90.43 06:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup needed

This article is a disaster. I'm going to try to start working through, section by section, to make it more encyclopedic and professional. Any thoughts or suggestions are welcome. Tufflaw 22:01, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Daily events do not need to be added as this is not a show recap. Do we really need to write that the Paltalk cameras are on 24 hours a day because of Ron & Fez interns playing with equipment? Attention whore 23:37, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Do we really need any mention of that stupid program at all in this article?--XMBRIAN 23:37, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

For the time being, I put that anyone wanting more features to the show can find them listed at O&A.Com.--XMBRIAN 23:40, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

I re-added the info re: audible.com and the paltalk cameras, paltalk is a huge part of the show and show be included - as for the Ron and Fez stuff, that is the reason why the cameras are on 24 hours a day (although whether that little tidbit is really necessary is up for debate). The fact that everything can be found at audible.com is similarly extremely relevant to anyone looking for info on this show. The O&A.com link is in the External Links section. Tufflaw 17:34, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

If someone is looking to learn about O&A, is it important WHY the PalTalk cameras on 24 hours a day? If we talk about every little incident, then we have to discuss why Lisol is in the studio, why the Jeigermeister machine was removed, why they put up shades, etc... Not everything is should know info. Attention whore 05:23, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough, I removed that part. Tufflaw 18:51, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

NPOV

I re-added the NPOV because this article is not neutral. It is filled with POV comments. For example: "Scott Ferrall - Once a friend of O & A, when Ferrall took a job at Sirius, he sided with Stern and began to bash Opie and Anthony. After a number of comments provoking O & A, the pests were called upon to take care of him via call-ins to his trial shows on Sirius. Scott Ferrall is most known for his fast, nonsensical style of rambling which makes up the majority of his show." That’s just one example. This article is filled with paragraphs like these. Redd Dragon 02:25, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

You clearly should have an NPOV on your talk page, as it's riddled with "Stern Fan" and "Sirius Subscriber" on it. That's what happened. Ferrall started saying rather disparraging things about Opie and Anthony, so Opie and Anthony used their so called "Army" to hit back. Moreover, Ferrall's show is fast paced, nonsensical, and that's what made him what he is. That's his radio gimmick. Payneos 02:54, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

"Scott Ferrall is most known for his fast, nonsensical style of rambling which makes up the majority of his show." That is a point of view. Redd Dragon 04:10, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

That is a fact, though. Listen to the show, you have Sirius, you can do that now. It's his TRADEMARK STYLE, it's not an opinion, it's a fact. Payneos 04:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Saying that something is "nonsensical" is an opinion. And the Scott Ferrall incident can be taken two different ways by two different points of view. Scott Ferrall gets fired for defending O&A. Then O&A get a gig at SIRIUS, and they don't hire him (like they said they would), then he takes a small jab at them on his site and the next thing you know-- Anthony flips out and calls for a radio war. Then he explains himself- signs with sirius, and then O&A say that he was never funny and hes a hack now. Two sides to the story. I just think it should be more neutral, not on any side. Flash Virus 9:04, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

The problem is flash virus is always on the wrong side.

Ferral claims this as his own style, and repeatedly states so during his broadcasts. This is not POV. However history will show Redd Dragon repeated POV edits to this page as well as others. I am removing POV tag and reverting to older edits on quite a few sections. This is what happens when one goes on vacation. (Count Zero 00:17, 21 February 2006 (UTC))

The person who added the POV check to this page also added.

O&A are a virus, and once contracted, there is no cure. The O&A virus causes AIDS and sufferers soon die.

That my friends... is POV (68.163.23.224 04:04, 21 February 2006 (UTC))

Wicklin

Can anyone confirm this? [5] Tufflaw 15:02, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

He's been mentioned on the show often back in late 2004 through mid 2005, when the bugs in the phone system were running rampant, as well as all road shows, especially New Orleans of '05. Payneos 00:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

False Allegations

There is no documentation or reports of a "gag order being requested from Stern" There is no documentation or proof of Jim Philips "Stealing material" and the ratings and allegations that he "lied" are biased.

Yes there is, it was reported in a new york post article on july 12 200 that stern requested and got a gag order. (someone at wackbag.com recently has been posting scans of the printed article) apparently this is the text of it. --Kvuo 23:52, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

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New York Post

Wednesday, July 12, 2000

HOWARD HAS HIS RADIO RIVALS GAGGED

By John Mainelli

Radio blabbermouth Howard Stern has gotten fellow shock jocks to do something totally out of character - shut up.

The entire staff of rowdy new talk station WNEW - FM (102.7) is banned from even uttering Howard's name - because Stern whined to top management and threatened to quit over "copycats" and "dirty tricks", The Post has learned.

WNEW is owned by Infinity Broadcasting, the same company that owns K-Rock (92.3), the flagship for Stern's wildly popular - and hugely profitable - syndicated wakeup show.

Stern's main beef is with Opie and Anthony, NEW's fast-rising, risque duo. He got especially angry in April, when Opie and Anthony blew the whistle on a much-touted "surprise" rock concert announcement Stern was to make the next morning.

Without naming names, a furious Stern delivered an on-air ultimatum (I offered my resignation") and protested to top bosses.

The gag order is strictly enforced by censors operating digital delay machines.

"We've all been told that nobody can mention other [company] shows, especially one of them," said Ron, of NEW's new night-side Ron and Fez team. "We can talk about Opie and Anthony, because they don't care and they won't panic.

But there's one especially that we can't talk about."

Callers, too, can't talk about Howard. Midday producer "Butchy" recently had to stifle Leslie "The Radio Chick" Gold when a caller tried to discuss Stern, warning that "the corporate suits" forbid it.

Howard also isn't talking about his rivals.

"They're dying to get some attention from me." Stern said on the air. "The imitators like to bash me - 'We're the young guys. We're the new guys. We're the future.'

"You're the future of what? You've got me down even to the way I talk. It's like the Howard Stern Handbook."

Neither Stern nor Opie & Anthony would comment on the gag order.

Stern has a reason to fear his rivals. Opie & Anthony are No. 1 with men in the lucrative afternoon drive time - and could threaten Stern if they moved to mornings.

"If they were to go up against him, it would force him to do what he should have done years ago," says Michael Harrison, publisher of Talkers Magazine.

"And that is to begin moving away from the strippers and lesbians and turn his genius toward communicating with an older, more sophisticated audience...[Opie & Anthony] are much better at talking to goofballs than he is."

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Wikipedia again disappoints me by thinking that the New York Post constitutes as NEWS REPORTS. there is no difference in using a new york post report like this with one of Star Magazine. Tabloid journalism provides for tabloid stories much like this one. I am glad wikipedia stands by this fine journalism. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.33.205.65 (talk • contribs) .

The Truth, you cannot accept the truth. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.136.13.178 (talk • contribs) .

I agree. The New York Post cannot be used as a reference anymore than the National Enquirer can. InnerSpace 17:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, if none of you Stern Fan Stone-wallers will believe the Post, then you will believe this. http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=186874 FMQB. One of the premire big time radio world websites reported it. Read and weep, hoo hoo hoo. Payneos 17:13, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Direct quote from Wikipedia: "According to a survey conducted by Pace University in 2004, the New York Post was rated the least credible major news outlet in New York, and the only news outlet to receive more responses calling it "not credible" than credible (44% not credible to 39% credible). InnerSpace 20:00, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Protection

Looks like there's a fair bit of edit-warring going on here. I've protected the page so you can work out the dispute here on talk. And all of you, consider yourselves warned about 3RR. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 07:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't see that happening with Attention whore trolling this site and other sites.

www.opacktool.com

www.opieanthony.net —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.147.37.17 (talk • contribs) .

If "trolling" is adding information about the Opie & Anthony show to their article, then yes, I'm trolling, as is everyone else. Just because your "general" tells you to remove things doesn't mean they shold not be added. I don't know how to emphasize this more THIS IS NOT A FAN SITE! This is an informational article about Opie and Anthony. As for the other sites you are refering to, you have me confused with someone else. I don't care, nor post on those sites. Please sign your posts with four "~" instead of anonymously attacking people. Attention whore 16:35, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

A troll spreads lies that propagate a falsehood to get a reaction. That is exactly what you are and have been doing. Never on the show has this been discussed but you consider that you know what happened because you have been told incomplete lies and falsehoods. This article is not about your agenda to propagate rumors that attack people that hasn't been on the show for atleast 4 years and cannot defend theirselves. It is about the Opie and Anthony Show, It is not about your stupid friends. 172.161.23.182 18:38, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Mindspillage, would you mind if you unprotected the page now? The discussion seems to have no clear consensus, and a big development involving Howard Stern, Opie and Anthony's Gag Claims, and the Sean Hannity show has developed that is noteworthy to the article. Payneos 20:30, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Incompetent Moderation

I STRONGLY urge those mods that are reading this to finally ban ATTENTION WHORE's IP and prevent him from continually stating falsehoods. How many news stories do you need about wikipedia for you to realize that some people are liars and will post bullshit to get attention? I doubt that you will do anything. 172.161.23.182 18:38, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm starting to, and I hope I'm not jumping into an invalid conclusion, but I'm starting to feel that you may not like me. Your accusations, insults, and made up storied about me are hurtful. Maybe we just need to hug and make up? Attention whore 01:08, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I know what you do and I don't see how I can. Actions speak louder than words. (Just look at the article's history if you need a reason to finally do your job). Just admit that you are a former member of opieandthony.com and feel hurt that Anthony shut down his site. 172.149.207.221 18:55, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I never posted, cared, or knew anyone from OpieAnthony.com. I could care less if every forum ever created for O&A closed down. I'm just a fan of the show since the make believe ballroom days at WNEW. I also feel that one person should not have the power to re-write history. It's part of the history of the show, and it's information that, If I were looking to learn about O&A and the show, I'd want to know. It's the same reason I added Fez's true name to that article. Ron and Fez never made an effort to tell Fez's name, but someone looking to learn about Ron and Fez probably would find it interesting what Fez's real name is. Do they want everyone to know? I have no idea. It makes no difference, it's information that should be part of an article on them. Same thing here. That's as far as it goes. Your perceived fantasies about who I am, and why I'm adding it make no difference to me. Why, other than following your master's wishes, are you so upset over people knowing the truth? Are you somehow personally involved in this? Attention whore 01:47, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Spaz and Anthony D

Spaz - Former employee for the show. Spaz AKA K-Dawg was an intern while getting his degree in communications from Iona college. Due to lack of common sense and belief that he knew what he was talking about, he did a Friday segment called "K-Dawg's Week in Review". This segment was K-Dawg's take on the news and then commented by Opie, Anthony, and anyone else in the studio. Such famous bits included his take on genetically altered vegitables, vampires, mummies, fighting hurricanes with mircrowave appliances, giant mosquitoes, pee from the sky, sonar killing whales, space-time contradictions, bizzaro earth, racist remarks, and other thoroughly idiotic statements with some grains of truth but mostly falsehoods. From these segments came the phrases "follow this logic", "thus then", "inbyfacto", "revert", "gonzostyle", etc. He also had sex with a tomato, tried to open a safe in a spiderman costume, insulted people in a boyscout outfit, wanted to be in a pornographic videio, and other things. Durring the course of his time on the show, he moved to Sloatsburg, NY, with his girlfriend, "Baybuh". He was involved with a listerner party where he later was involved in an orgy with other listeners from the former website of opieanthony.com. After that he could no longer handle the harassment of so called "fans" of the show and resigned. After O&A came to XM, he tried to get back on but was dead to the show. He is constantly referenced by disgruntled former fans who felt that his involvement with Anthony's current best girl but loyal listener at the time caused the destruction of their message board. But opieanthony.com was no longer owned by the admin there, Froy or Liquid Ice, after Anthony started paying for server costs. Anthony threatened to stop paying the costs of hosting the site if the members there would no longer posting libelous rumors and tall-tales about his girlfriend. Currently Anthony D (aka keyser soze) of Union City of OAU & CDIH is currently trolling this wikipedia article. He also has propagated libelous rumors to SFN because he likes to cause conflicts due to his disgruntled fan status and his worship of K-Dawg. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 172.147.37.17 (talk • contribs) .

Wow, thanks for the plug. Anyhow, this is not a rumor, it was a part of show history, aired on Opie and Anthony's show for all to hear. The audio has already been posted on this page. The fact that this is such a big deal to everyone involved with the show and the fans shows how important this event is to show history and obviously should be included. I don't care enough to fight you over getting it on here, people know where to go to get uncensored, unbiased information about the Opie and Anthony show. I have never edited any section of this wiki other than the external links. You can win that battle as well. I don't care about K-Dawg other than the curious reasons behind his history on the show being kept a secret. I continue to be entertained by Opie and Anthony's show to this day, I just happen to have an open mind and can have opinions about them both positive and negative. The fact that Anthony had a fansite shut down over his girlfriend is pretty interesting history that is shared by fans whether or not you care to have it on wiki.Keysersoze 08:00, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

I think the problem is that a lot of people here don't really understand what Wikipedia is and what is is not. Please review the guidelines at WP:LIVING, particularly: "Editors must take particular care with writing biographies of living persons, which require a degree of sensitivity as well as strict adherence to our content policies", "We must get the article right. Be very firm about high quality references — particularly about details of personal lives.", "Without credible third-party sources, a biography will violate No original research and Verifiability. Information available solely on partisan websites or in obscure newspapers should be handled with care, particularly if the material is negative. If credible sources cannot be found, there may be a problem with the material.", "Potentially libellous or defamatory statements not cited and sourced to verifiable sources should be removed."

This material is uncited and unverified. The fact that "it was a part of show history" does not meet the verification test. Has it been published by a reputable source? Please review the official policy at WP:VERIFY. "Editors adding new material to an article should cite a reputable source, or it may be removed by any editor.", "The obligation to provide a reputable source lies with the editors wishing to include the material, not on those seeking to remove it." Tufflaw 14:22, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

what you continue to fail to accept is this was an actual event that occurred on the radio show, which is verifiable with audio and acknowledgement by Anthony that Melinda is Lobster Girl. what further proof do you need? this isn't being taken from a partisan website or obscure newspaper, this is broadcasted on their own show and has been archived. Are you disputing the validity of the audio? what level of verification of this actual show audio would pass your test? i'm curious why an actual event, caught on tape, on their own show, is so contested? the source of this history is the actual radio show, not someones opinion, not conjecture, its an actual event that took place and was broadcasted. can you please tell me how this violates any wikipedia policy? Keysersoze 02:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I recommend reading WP:RS, discussing what is a reputable source, particularly this part: "A primary source provides direct evidence for a certain state of affairs. This may mean that the source observes a state of affairs directly, or that they observe indirect evidence of it. In other words, a primary source is a source very close to the original state of affairs you are writing about. An example of primary-source material would be a photograph of a car accident taken by an eye witness, or a report from that eye witness. A trial transcript is also primary-source material. Wikipedia articles may rely on primary sources so long as what they say has been published by a credible publication. For example, a trial transcript that has been published by the court. We may not use primary sources whose information has not been made available by a credible publication. See Wikipedia:No original research." Assuming arguendo that Anthony admitted to dating Melinda (and this is the first I've heard of this assertion), that does not make it a reputable source unless it has also been published in a credible publication. This may seem coutner-intuitive if you aren't familiar with Wikipedia policies, but you have to remember that this is an encyclopedia, it's not a fan site, gossip column, tabloid magazine, or rumor mill. Tufflaw 03:23, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

the actual show audio is primary source. we have the audio, its already been submitted here. Keysersoze 03:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Please read what I wrote above, particularly the highlighted portions. Tufflaw 04:29, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

i read it, and you are completely wrong on all accounts. you are oblivious to the fact this is actual audio from the opie and anthony show. nobody will dispute this. it is clear, and it is fact. Keysersoze 06:39, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm trying very hard to assume good faith here, but I think it's becoming clear that you are intentionally disregarding any arguments against your position, notwithstanding the fact that they are Wikipedia policies and guidelines. I don't think I will be continuing this discussion with you until you are willing to act in good faith as well. Tufflaw 14:22, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Your argument makes no sense Tufflaw. Based on your arguments and referenes to wiki material, 96% of the Opie and Anthony entry must be erased. There is no "credible publication" that has most of what's written in the wiki article. Pretty much ALL that this article can say based on your logic is that Opie and Anyhony have a radio show and it's on XM. So lets all go through the article and erase everything that wasn't published in a credible source. And remember, just because something was stated ON the show ABOUT the show, it can't be used. 161.185.1.100 00:11, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your suggestion! When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make whatever changes you feel are needed. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. You don't even need to log in! (Although there are some reasons why you might like to...) The Wikipedia community encourages you to be bold. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes—they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome. Tufflaw 00:52, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for such a wonderful welcome! I shall most definately edit the article as I see fit. I appreciate your suggestion! 161.185.1.100 16:41, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

i fail to see any merit in your arguments, they are baseless, they are completely contrary to the facts of the matter. actual show events documented by actual show audio is not a violation of any wikipedia policy or guideline, you have not proven otherwise. this is actual show audio, this is not commentary, this is not opinion, this is not editiorial. i agree that you should end this discussion because you yourself are unwilling to act in good faith. you are projecting your own actions of ignoring that this is a real event documented with actual show audio from WNEW. Keysersoze 17:02, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

RFC re: Lobster Girl issue

I posted a request for comment at WP:RFC/ART, as it seems we're at an impasse here and some outside voices would likely be extremely helpful. Tufflaw 03:47, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't see the deal with the wikipedia is. Attention whore and the others likes to gain attention by propagation of rumors and libel because they have nothing else. The former members of opieanthony.com are still angry that their site was shut down because of libel. Also, because of their insistence on this, members on the sternfannetwork.com message board are listening to them because of their disgruntled status.

AlsoProtection is an endorsement of the current page version.

172.149.207.221 18:50, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

No, protection is not an endorsement of the current page version. Mindspillage (spill yours?) 05:20, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

If you cannot make the hard decisions, resign now because you will go no farther here. You will always be middle management material. This may be offensive to you but you are too theoretical; Not pratical for leaving the Protection for so long and the thing you should do. 172.151.245.253 20:28, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I can appreciate Tufflaw's opinion that he doesn't personally know whether or not it's true and would like to confirm it for himself. But 172.149.207.221's tact of "It doesn't matter if it's true, I must just prevent it because Anthony would want it that way" makes no sense to me. That worship/zealot mentality makes me think of these religious nuts who will kill thinking that's what god wants me to do. Trying to personally attack me and get me banned for adding truthful information to an article just shows everyone that what you say means nothing because you're blindly obsessed. I only hope you don't go John Hinkley on anyone to impress O&A. Attention whore 01:57, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

When was the first time you read that? I can tell you around where you did. You read it on a messageboard somewhere. On this messageboard it indicated that this was 'hush hush' and that Anthony Cumia had personal taken measures to supress it on other sites. Simply, this is not the case. If you had the PROOF that what you said is true, you know exactly where to look and who to go to to find it. They have nothing and because it is the policy of other sites not to let people spread unsubstaintiated rumors, you feel that somehow this is 'censored' or couched in some other high flung explanation. Simply, you are fighting a message board battle that ended 3+ years ago for a site that no longer exists. The people that bring it up are those that blame anthony for shutting down his site(opieanthony.com) or their puppets, not themselves. With the destruction of opieanthony.com, they lost alot of their influence, power, and inside information and have been longing for it ever since. You believe what other people tell you. You don't question it. You are the zealot. Not simply because of this but because you are only obssessed with this. There are many other things that you could include in this article but do not. Why? Because you like the attention of being a troll. 172.151.245.253 20:28, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Those that claim any high road are just trying to promote their site by trying to seem like a 'bad boy' and not being a part of the whole O&A experience. Many of these so called 'fans' stay on the message boards not because they continue to listen to the Opie and Anthony show on XM; No, they stay because their friends are there. They are stuck in the past at WNEW and so are you. 172.151.245.253 20:28, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't know anything about whatever war is going on behind the scenes here, but my guess is this is one of the handful of "things we don't talk about anymore" that are on the show. While as a fan I'm nosy and I want to know what these things are, I don't know if that kind of thing belongs in an encyclopedia setting. Is the issue here verifiability or more along the lines of what belongs in Wikipedia? For instance, I could write about the Jagermeister machine that the show had which was taken out, and that much is verifiable from what actually was aired, up to some vague allusions they made on air that something bad happened. The actual bad thing that allegedly happened though is not as easily verifiable and what would get an unknowing person possibly banned from some of the fan sites. So without getting into any sort of war (I honestly can't say I know what it's about, because I try to avoid the popular fan sites) I would say that there was a 'save the lobster' contest is probably verifiable and whatever else happened off the air could be true but isn't easily verified. As much as I would want to get some inkling of what the hell happened to me if I got banned or bounced for curiously asking about "lobster" on some fan site, I'm not seeing how that belongs in an article though.

What I'm getting at here is if I was writing an encyclopedia article on O&A I might put a "save the lobster" contest under a list of famous contests they ran, but I would leave any off-air fallout from the event off the article unless I could find it in a news article. That tactic gives the curious a nugget of information that is verifiable and leaves the warring off of the article. Is that fair enough? --70.39.65.101 12:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC)'

That sounds very reasonable to me, and thank you for a well-thought out suggestion. Maybe we can hash the wording out here on the talk page pending the page getting unprotected. Tufflaw 17:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Found an interesting quote from Jimbo in a discussion about the posting of someone's real name who goes by a pseudonym which seems to be very appropriate here: "In all cases like this, we should practice our usual policy of requiring validation in a published mainstream source: not blogs, not usenet posts, not emails, not un-aired radio interviews, not testimony from Wikipedians. Err on the side of human dignity, not on the side of speculation.--Jimbo Wales 14:33, 18 February 2006 (UTC)" [6] I think this even more strongly demonstrates that this unsourced information must remain out of the article. Tufflaw 05:33, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Also found this guideline - Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons which should be taken into consideration as well. Tufflaw 05:47, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

here is the lobster girl audio [7] Keysersoze 04:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

The criteria used to not mention the verifiable "LOBSTER GIRL/SPAZZ/MELLINDA" issue is flawed. Using that critiera then more than 60% of the entire listing can be deleted. Why obvious POV material like "Bruer loves the boys" is included while the monumental LOBSTER GIRL/SPAZZ/MELLINDA fellatio incident is excluded makes no sense from a scholarly perspective. Inane junk should be excluded (no one cares who they like or dislike) and only items that made mass media should be included, IF the flawed criteria is going to be used (all ATOM incidents should be deleted with the exception of the one where the news reporter was injured, article should be written to show how they are influenced and what their relationship is with Howard Stern, since HS is metioned so many times in the article). unsigned comment was made by 65.19.27.142

This is not a message board or a blog. Wikipedia has higher standards than rumor mongering and dislike of all Pest activities. It also isnt for severly biased people from the SFN to change facts around to fit the spin that Howard Stern tells his listeners. 172.130.212.58 09:31, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Sternfannetwork interference

It should always be noted in any O&A history that they are Howard Stern copycats and base their entire career on him. So much so that they refused to broadcast their show unless they were allowed to talk about him. Very sad for them and their fans. —This unsigned comment was added by 70.130.146.159 (talk • contribs) .

Get the facts and sign your comments like a man. http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=186874

Hoo hoo. I believe in Hypocracy, Robin. Payneos 16:25, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

http://www.sternfannetwork.com/forum/showthread.php?postid=1892895#post1892895

More proof. 172.170.200.181 21:36, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Request for (informal) mediation re: Spaz

Since no one is responding to the RFC, I've posted a request for the mediation cabal to get involved, hopefully to help resolve this issue. The request can be found here. Tufflaw 16:33, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Mediation has now begun. -- Fullstop 15:11, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

I would like it if all references to this alleged incident with anthony's girlfriend be removed and all people(s) that mention said alleged incident not be premitted to edit or talk in the Opie_and_Anthony page or any page with similar topics in the future. The allegations come from disgruntled fans that have audio of some girl back in the past at WNEW 4 plus years ago and claim it is somehow Anthony's girlfriend but the true identity of the person is unkown. Due to current relations with the Howard Stern show, many persons who consider themselves 'fans', 'listeners', or 'members of the 'Disciples of Stern have been encouraging so said disgruntled fans. Simply this is not verifiable and might be consider liabel in any reasonable court of law. I consider what has to be done not 'blanking' or any sort of censorship. 172.134.130.118 17:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

LOBSTER GIRL incident is a major part of show history. To not include it while having no neutral items reveals this page to be a total fraud. this unsigned comment was made by 65.19.27.142

Nice bluff. 65.19.27.142 you are a Howard Stern fan and probably a member of SFN. 172.130.212.58 09:43, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Howard Stern

The section of the article regarding Howard Stern is very biased in favor of O&A. It reads, "Stern had a gag order put on Opie and Anthony for becoming possible competition..." The gag order has been confirmed by Stern himself, but stating that the reason for it was competition is not. That is pure speculation. The following quote from a Friday Morning Quarterback article is also too harsh IMO because Stern was more than likely joking. I'm OK with it remaining, however, because I have nothing to back this up as of yet. InnerSpace 17:25, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

You're OK with it remaining because it was HIS word. Do I need to get the audio myself and make you listen to it? He set himself up, and was shot down. The article (and FMQB as a whole) has nothing to benefit from the tearing down of Stern and the bolstering of Opie and Anthony. If FMQB put out an article catching O&A saying some false stuff and it was proven otherwise through their own word down the road later, I would absolutely put it in this article. But Howard's claims that he's a champion of 'free speech' then admitting directly to Sean Hannity that he DID place a gag order on Opie and Anthony, then further saying he is a champion of 'his' free speech... that's hypocracy in action. Use your brain. Payneos 17:40, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Innerspace, what is the reason then? 172.130.45.118 19:46, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Innerspace, the gag order happened before Jingle Ball, note that the New York Post article about the gag order was written in July 2000 and the Jingle Ball was in December 2000. in fact, not even the news coverage post-Jingle Ball disclosed her by name because she was a minor and there are legalities preventing the identities of minors being disclosed in news stories without the parents' approval. O&A brought up the story on the air and only hinted that she was the daughter of a major radio personality because A) the gag order was in place and B) it was - at the time - a rumor circulating through the radio industry at the time, since the media couldn't mention Emily by name. i'm sure they had their inside sources on the matter, since they did work for the same company, so they were fairly certain it was her. if anything, it was the Stern fans who admitted that it was, in fact, her on their message board. thanks boys! 172.163.130.117 16:20, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Been a while since I got back, but what the hell are you people talking about? My comment had nothing to do with some girl's name being mentioned or Jingle Ball. I wasn't disputing the facts of the case, merely the way it was presented in the article. The passage I had issues with has already been changed, so I have no problems now. I love the infuriated responses that were given by you O&A fans. "Do I need to get the audio myself and make you listen to it?" I can see your face turning beet red while you were typing that. I'm OK with that quote remaining because, yes, it is a direct quote. However, direct quotes can be taken out of context and that is why I feel it is harsh. Did anyone actually read what I wrote? Payneos, you can go on believing Stern somehow got "shot down" if you really want to. Did I say it wasn't hypocritical? No, I said Howard was probably joking and if you've ever listened to his show you would know he admits he has "verbal diarrhea". This is obvious as he talks out of his ass on a regular basis. InnerSpace 20:12, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I wish my face could turn beet red on command, that would be awesome. Glad the article is more to your liking now, pookie. Payneos 21:10, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Stern referenced too much?

The O&A Wikipedia entry references Stern 25 times. The Stern entry references O&A a grand total of two times. Maybe it would look better to a passing reader to not place so much emphasis on a competitor on O&A's own Wikipedia entry. -67.183.15.135 06:01, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

But O&A themselves are endlessly referencing Stern in their own show. It's just a reflection of their ceaseless 'Hoo Hoo' shtick. MGlosenger 06:12, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

If by "schtick" do you mean Mr. "I Invented Everything"'s ceaseless attempts *not* to mention them, yet the fact that everywhere he goes he's chastised by the pests now? I think the reason has to do with O&A not being allowed in the Howard article more, and less that Howard is in this article. This mostly has to do with reversions that claim "that never happened" when it did, but cannot be properly cited and is taken on PoV. Payneos 15:35, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Interesting. This may justify mention on this page of the frequent critcism regarding the duo's "Love Me Daddy" attitude towards Stern, who they clearly see as an unloving father figure. This needs to be explored. Perhaps an entry for "LOVE ME DADDY" can be created describing this particular psychosis and used O & A as a case study

How would you feel if you were prevented from having guests and talking about a subject on your own show because of someone in your own company? Stop being a zombie and realize what a liar Howard Stern is.172.139.78.24 19:42, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Also, don't be a coward and not sign your articles. Moreover... http://www.fmqb.com/Article.asp?id=186874

Get the facts. Payneos 23:44, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

har har har ... Opie and Anthony fans are hilarious ... So serious and committed! They can't stand the fact that nobody knows about OA, while Howard Stern is a legend. Its all just radio crap anyway, no need to act like a damn foot soldier. The pests bother him everywhere he goes. Thats real impressive guys. Way to show how great and original OA are by demonstrating a neurotic obsession with Howard Stern. Your definately winning that battle! 208.46.144.131 17:34, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

=Sternfannetwork Trolls

Sternfannetwork is sending its members actively vandalize this article.172.139.78.24 19:42, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2006/03/30/1512413-sun.html

Just an example of their activities. 172.130.212.58 09:38, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Need better verification than using fan websites. Mainstream media accounts like the "Jocks sex in church" incident or "fan attacks reporter". Those can be easily verified. This unsigned comment was made by 65.19.27.142

Well, isn't it 65.19.27.142. Your words are so hollow, that it is a shame you waste your time being a semi-intelligent troll and instead trying to do something positive... Why do I say this? Because it is true. Just look at what 65.19.27.142 has done. See if it isn't false.

Also, people who are no longer liking the show as much as you used to or moved on, you are becoming "usefull idiots" to the SFN trolls. Thanks alot deeks. If you have moved on, it is not a reason to help them. If you want your sites to be recognized for way more then they are, it is up to you to get rid of some of your own that are scum. And you wonder why your sites are not mentioned! It is because you help spread lots of false rumors.172.154.0.194 08:06, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Sign Your Comments

If you will not sign your comments, they are not valid and the discussion will be reverted.172.152.132.91 08:34, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Rumoured Cancellation

"This is possibly due to XM deciding to cancel their show soon." This needs citation. I haven't seen anything that hints to the fact that XM plans to get rid of O&A (which, according to the Boston Herald and other newsagencies, is one of the most popular show on the XM platform.) --uberdog 12:27, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

I removed this section as the channel change has been a topic of the show since it was started. " This is possibly due to XM deciding to cancel their show soon." 69.250.108.162 12:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Bubba the love sponge or Howard Stern's fans have been spreading the rumor that O&A's contract will not be extended. Just looking at the current news shows how untrue that is.172.129.155.129 08:32, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

OnA Userboxes

I have created a userbox for fans of the show to put on their user pages. Placing this on your user page includes you in the Opie and Anthony Pest Category. Check the userbox page for directions on how to add it to your profile and include yourself as a pest.DanielZimmerman 04:18, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Spazz

Attention Whore -

If you want to put up the Spazz/Melinda incident, then how about you go back and listen to every AAF and NEW O&A show and post on wiki about every minor insignificant show bit that you hear. Then you can go ahead and edit Stern's wiki and put up the bit about how he went on Sean Hannity's show and admitted to placing a gag order on O&A. See how long Wikipedia with its "high standards" will keep that up.

Until then the "Lobster Girl" story is just irrelevant fodder that appears on the O&A wiki because SFN trolls want it on here and because there are a few misguided people on here that are "guarding the sanctity of truth." The Melinda story is just spam. Get over it. Why not just post something about Spaz without mention of this lobster story. I'm sure there's much more you could post about him.

Thrawn42 03:39, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

For reference, in a few days the Stern Folk and I have come to a concensus aboot the Stern Gag Order on Sean Hannity. It will be there under a "Notable Incidents" section. So it will appear, and they'll have to grin and bear it.Payneos 10:43, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Direct TV

There should be more information on how to get opie and anthony on direct tv.172.167.254.185 00:28, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Anthony's Birthday

There are trolls that are vandalizing his birthday. 172.167.254.185 00:28, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

That's actually kinda funny. Probablly an O&A fan instead of a SFN Troll. Jokes are frequently made about Cumia's age. 199.201.168.100 16:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

"Lobster Girl" Incident Part 3

Now that I have your attention, Attention Whore, let's talk. The Lobster Girl incident has NO place on the Wiki, as does the fact that she may or may not have become Anthony's Girlfriend. The "Lobster Girl" story is one that is, and so far I'm almost 100% sure of it, mentioned once on the new XM show. There are many more stories not mentioned here that have been mentioned more times than that. Payneos 16:19, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Have any of those other stories affected one of the hosts lives, and therefore the show, so dramatically? Has ANY story on here outside of the St. Pats thing affected the show as dramatically? The Lobster girl incident and that she became Anthony's girlfriend is why: she, as a result of this, was the reason Anthony got divorced, is why Anthony now rushes home after the show instead of looking to do anything to avoid it, is why numerous other changes happened in Anthony's life(making new stories on the show), is why one of the characters that was pretty popular on the show is now an unmentionable, is why the whole topic is taboo on the show, is why wars have gone on between fans over it including on this talk page and numerous other sites, the fact that Anthony met the current love of his life after she blew an intern live on his show while he described it? And this you say, is not notable??

This is NOT A FAN SITE. The fans may be the ones editing it, but it's an article about Opie and Anthony, not an endorsed, approved, fan story. I'm sure Bill Clinton would love if his article had no mention of Monica Lewinsky. If this is a skeleton in Anthony's closet, so be it. It's a major part of history on the show and his life, which is what this article is supposed to cover. Attention whore 18:12, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

"Have any of those other stories affected one of the hosts lives, and therefore the show, so dramatically? Has ANY story on here outside of the St. Pats thing affected the show as dramatically? The Lobster girl incident and that she became Anthony's girlfriend is why: she, as a result of this, was the reason Anthony got divorced, is why Anthony now rushes home after the show instead of looking to do anything to avoid it, is why numerous other changes happened in Anthony's life(making new stories on the show), is why one of the characters that was pretty popular on the show is now an unmentionable, is why the whole topic is taboo on the show, is why wars have gone on between fans over it including on this talk page and numerous other sites, the fact that Anthony met the current love of his life after she blew an intern live on his show while he described it? And this you say, is not notable??"

Everything you have just stated is purely speculative. Anthony states on the show he rushes home because he hates the traffic, he hates people, and is a ridiculous germophobe. He states he got divorced because his wife was a bitch and drained his bank account fully. But neither of those can be cited. What you're hinting at is more of an O&A Conspiracy then an actually plausable theory. That one incident triggered a divorce, changes in Anthony's personality, and the dismissal of a popular character directly because of such? None of that seems plausable, and thus is speculation. Speculation has no place on Wikipedia.Payneos 18:29, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

POV and unencyclopedic is Attention Whore. "We're trying to create an encyclopedia here, not satisfy somone's agenda." And that agenda is to gain attention by trolling. Just because you heard it on some messageboard doesn't make it true and it isn't true. 172.151.95.132 20:35, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

First of all, a troll is a make believe creature that lives under a bridge, so if you really believe I'm a troll, perhaps you have more immediate problems than what being added to an encyclopedia, and should prioritize your life and get the help you would need. Secondly, apparently unlike you, I've seen the pictures from the studio that day when they were on Foundry Music, and also have seen Anthony's girlfriend in person and know that they are the same person. If you haven't done both, then you are in no position to speak for you know not what you speak of. Of course I'm guessing that won't happen as you appear to enjoy talking out the opposite than your mouth. Attention whore 01:01, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

A troll he may be, he still has the right to have his opinions voiced on the Wiki on the topics. I just feel that in this case, he is wrong. Payneos 21:58, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Fortunately, you're not the judge. I'm assuming that you are a currently listener of the show and by your statement that you are 95% sure it isn't talked about on XM, that you have heard most of all the shows. If that's the case, you should have heard the show when O, A, and Patrice are talking about Anthony's divorce and Patrice asks "so when did you know it was over?", to which Anthony replied "when I brought my girlfriend home to the house." In that same converstion he talks about how he used to do anything to avoid going home, citing examples. I think straight from Anthony's mouth over the radio is as cited as could be, and therefore not speculation. That alone makes it notable. Attention whore 01:01, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I do remember that show, however, over the air is still not a citable soucre, as it means we have to take it on good faith, or assume that if someone has a question on the subject, they can call you up to confirm it. It has to be in some form of online or written print in order to be citable. It's still speculation, however, because if looked at another way, one can say "Well Anthony was speaking tongue in cheek when he said that." He could have simply been joking, and hiding the true undertones of the real reasons he was getting a divorce, in that his marriage was simply not working out. Not because of a third party. Payneos 02:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Being that it's an article about a radio show, if we remove all references that are not cited elsewhere outside of the radio show, then the article should be about 3 sentences long. 90% of the article is not cited outside of heard on the radio. And since you can go to places and download and listen to the shows, others can use that as a method to confirm. Otherwise it's going to be a major effort to remove all parts of the article that do not have sufficient citable references. Then we have to go remove any articles on God, as no one has ever seen god so there can be no citable reference. Santa Claus must be removed too. This could be a revolution in Wiki. I say an article on a radio show can reference the radio show it's about as a source about the radio show. Attention whore 04:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

You're being obtuse, stonewalling, and not looking at the greater issue. God has relevance because people have a concept of him and written texts, and blah blah. There's cited sources on the belief in God, much as Santa Claus. They're all also major worldly culturally significant things. Whether or not there's such a thing as "Lobster Girl" is not that important to this article, Wikipedia, or the world as a whole. Like I said, it must be a cited source *in print/online* from a *reliable source.* Wackbag/OA.net do not count, even if they have show summaries. As far as the article being aboot three sentences long, there are over 15 citations now on the article, and more coming. I'd say we'd get a good three or four paragraphs, which is more than any other radio show. So, your argument of "We can't cite it, but it did happen" doesn't hold up, because it's clear you're not doing this in good faith. You have an agenda to get this on here no matter what for whatever reason, as useless as it is to the Wikipedia and the general public to know, whether it did or did not happen. There are far more useful parts to the show you could contribute about, but you seem to be focused on just this ONE part. As it stands, what you have written is not cleaned up to Wiki status, it contains POV language, and it's still rather irrevelant and a minor part to the show. Andrew Dice Clay comes up more times, and he bashed Opie and Anthony on rival Howard Stern's show. Payneos 04:39, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I find it interesting that YOU are focused on removing this one particular piece of information. With so many other stories and characters uncited, why is it this that you're so interested in making usre it's cited, blah, blah, blah. I'd have to say it's you with the agenda. This is information that someone looking to learn about O&A and the show would be interested in knowing. And the very fact that this much time is being devoted by this much people on either side is evidence that this is notable and should be in the article. Attention whore 17:41, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I can't speak for anyone else's motivations, but for me it's because this particular piece of information is the most in violation of WP:BLP. Tufflaw 00:44, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Spaz left on his own. He quit shortly after the infamous "bang party" due to influence of his girlfriend, baybuh, and the constant harrassment of the fans.

There is no proof that this "lobster girl" was or is Anthony's girlfriend. It is just a rumor created on a message board that no longer exists and continued on message boards that feel "left out". Past members of this messageboard blame Anthony and the show's influence for the destruction of their site instead of the owners of the messageboard. They spread the rumor to other disenfranchised listeners and SFN.

Troll

There is no connection between what is said on the show and this rumor besides what is in your mind. Anthony's girlfriend has never been on the show and please stop involving her in your delusional fantasies.172.169.132.47 18:58, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

I would like to take this opportunity to maybe take a straw poll of users that want the "Lobster Girl" included, and those that do not. Please use one of the following answers and place it in bold... Keep, Delete, or Neutral, then give a reason why. Payneos 23:00, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Keep. It is an important bit of information aboot Opee & Anthonee. MGlosenger 01:59, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Your vote hasn't been counted for simple failure to follow asked protocol and clear Bias/mispelling of their name. Payneos 05:18, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

A)- It's not your place to choose what's counted and what's not. and B)- you make assumptions that those who may want to vote know how to do things like make bold on here. Is there a reason you're trying to exclude certain votes? Attention whore 17:41, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

There isn't really a need for a poll on this - the information is in violation of Wikipedia policies and guidelines. The fact that Attention Whore says that he recognized Anthony girlfriend from a photo he saw on foundrymusic.com is perhaps the opposite of the kind of source required per WP:RS and WP:V. Although I do agree that most of the article is uncited and uncitable and should be removed. I started working on a new version of the article with only information cited in a reliable source although I got busy at work and that kind of fell by the wayside. All the various "bits" and characters should all be removed. This isn't a fan site, it's an encyclopedia article. Tufflaw 16:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Regardless, there you have it. Attention whore has failed to come up with conclusive proof of the Lobster Girl/Spaz incident. Any additions once the page is unblocked will be treated as vandalism, and will be petitioned as such. Good workin with you fellows, will petition to have the page unblocked soon. Payneos 18:36, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

If the Lobster Girl incident is omitted, it will be a travesty of all that for which Wikipedia stands. Do we not seek the TRUTH, and not some watered-down fantasy sanitized for the kiddies? Stand up and fight for what's right! The Lobster Girl incident MUST be mentioned! 206.190.139.254 23:14, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Work on that citation, first. Payneos 23:16, 18 May 2006 (UTC

Would you require a citation for the existence of gravity? For the blueness of the sky? For the clarity of the air? Everyone KNOWS that the Lobster Girl incident occurred, and therefore a citation would simply be ludicrous! YOU, SIR, ARE STONEWALLING. 206.190.139.254 15:30, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea that the event occurred. Please provide a verifiable source, or do not include the information. Naconkantari 15:53, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

It's funny, everyone with Peyneos' agenda of censorship goes through the same stages. First it's not notable, then when proved it is, goes to its' not cited, when that's shown it is, goes on to the prove it happened game. Payneos actually skipped that last step and just declared on his own "failed to come up with conclusive proof of the Lobster Girl/Spaz incident". It's been proven it happened Petneos, if you missed it in the previous times on this page, shame on you. The information will re-added once the page is unblocked, because you do not make the sole decisions on this article. Much as you would like to control, i.e. censor the article, to hopefully get a cookie or whatever it is you think you should get for sucking up, you're just an editor just as all the people who agree this should be part of the article. You lose sir, good day! Attention whore 02:33, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not notable, not citable, and if you persist in adding it, it will be considered vandalism and I will petition to have you blocked. It's that simple. Payneos 02:43, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I'm bored right now, so I'll humor you and re-provide the link to here that others (172.blah.blah.blah) removed to censor it. This way you can move onto your next stonewall issue. "here is the lobster girl audio [8] Keysersoze 04:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)" Attention whore 20:20, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Firstly, "Lobster Girl" isn't Anthony's girlfriend.

Secondly, Anthony's girlfriend HAS NEVER BEEN ON THE SHOW.

Thirdly, Spazz left the show because of his own girlfriend and the consequenses of the opieanthony.com's "bang party".

Fourthly, Spazz is no longer part of the Opie and Anthony show. Anything he has done since is on his own.

Fifthly, Message Boards ARE NOT RELEVANT SOURCES.

Sixthly, ALL the people that insist on this belong to a couple of sites that are purposely trolling this article.

Sevently, You would never have heard of this falsehood unless you visited a site they frequented.

Eigthly, This is rumor is only important for those who want to spread rumors and those who dislike those who spread lies.

Ninthly, Fans of competiting talk show hosts are trolling this into the article(65.XXXXX).

This article is about the Opie and Anthony show. It is not about your blogs or your message boards and your subjective agenda-driven sites.

Your continuence to bring this false rumor to the forefront of all your conversations shows that Attentionwhore, Keysersoze, and some others are just [internet trolls] and should forthwith be blocked from vandalizing this article. 172.163.77.165 00:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Church of Opie

What ever happened to that site?

It was shut down due to low numbers. The joke got old. Payneos 21:57, 15 May 2006 (UTC)