Talk:Logic

My logic (Open to debate)

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Science(knowledge), is acquired by all the entities in the diagram.

Philosophy (love of wisdom), I believe 'love of wisdom' is inherent in acquiring knowledge, as otherwise, there is no reason to want knowledge. To get knowledge, you must first, have wanted it, in the first-place. (the purpose/knowledge wanted is irrelevant)

In an abstract way, (although the concepts are already abstract...) to have knowledge, you must at least have be able to 'know' something...or, anything... What is something/anything? The/a universe - what makes up a universe? The universe is made up of, 'physics', and 'meta-physics'. (MST UPDATE)

Which I then class into two separate forms of base-logic. Rational-logic, and irrational-logic. or intelligence, or intellect... (MST UPDATE)

My source? Hopefully, the people of Wikipedia see it as credible...

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— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wickid123 (talk • contribs) 12:47, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

What are you tripping on? How does this differ from Kant's boring old ancient analytic-synthetic distinction? Have you just changed some words around and added two differently spelled synonyms "intellect" and "intelligence" like you're bloody Derrida or summat? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.155.82.44 (talk) 06:26, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

I love logic and simply being here on Earth as a savvy human

Logic is how we humans think. If it is not logical, then it is questionable. Thanks.{{--General concensus2012 (talk) 03:53, 3 November 2012 (UTC)}}96.48.152.145 (talk) 07:41, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Added Persia, to ancient civilizations studying logic.

I think Avicienna's Contribution to the study of logic, makes persia relevant.

Rejecting Logical Truths

I have to say I kind of disagree with some of the policies that wikipedia encourages for this article, verifiability in particular (not a fan of Popper). I have also, unintentionally overridden the discussion that has been going on behind the scenes here by just editing. So I am posting this to give yall a heads up and to say sorry, please edit my writing, but at least take it into account.

I was reading the bit at the end of Rejecting Logical Truths and I was really disappointed with the critiques given of Nietzsche. They were clearly partisan and I think the tone and content was pretty weak. Ive gone ahead and responded to each critique. I got quite angry with the Russell one in particular so that should probably be changed. But still i think this really needs to be looked at because the way it stood it seemed like some kind of definite rejection of the rejection but which is not convincing at all.

I also offered my kind of interpretation which I think would stem from a kind of positivistic attitude although i myself am really into the whole frankfurt critique of instrumental rationality and the positivists that are associated with that... So ye im also against imparciality. I think the article should vehemently argue for the competeing positions but allow them all up there! This may look contradictory but im all about paraconsistency!

Lots of love! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.155.82.44 (talk) 06:22, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

What is first? Science or Logic?

Merriam-Webster Dictionary Main Entry: logic 1 : a science that deals with the rules and tests of sound thinking and proof by reasoning;

2 : sound reasoning

3 : the arrangement of circuit elements for arithmetical computation in a computer

http://dictionary.reference.com/ 1. the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference. 2. a particular method of reasoning or argumentation: We were unable to follow his logic. 3. the system or principles of reasoning applicable to any branch of knowledge or study. 4. reason or sound judgment, as in utterances or actions: There wasn't much logic in her move. 5. convincing forcefulness; inexorable truth or persuasiveness: the irresistible logic of the facts.

What is first or of higher level as to which is needed first? Is it the problem of the Hen and the Egg? Can Science be without logic? Yes it can, though it should not happen! Can logic be without Science? No and Yes! Logic and true "sound" reasoning, is Science! But good reasoning logic can be by itself, and not be Academic recognized Science! Though generally good sound reasoning logic, does proceed from much Science, theoretical and practical learning!

So half truths and half logic, or not complete logic, can or have been made Science in a few cases! But this does not happen to true complete(pure) logic!

Hence I would establish LOGIC and "complete/pure logic", thought, ideas, imagination, to be first, as the "software" and "hardware" of a computer! That then can be established in firm accepted Academia Science, with "strict" Rules and Laws developed(particular specific sciences) and that can be experimented and proven!

Much of Logic and "metaphysics", does not have to be proven as Science might apparently require! The power of Inference and Deduction enter into the game of sound reasoning or illogical reasoning!

If this is helpful, please feel free to use it! Thanks! (--General concensus2012 (talk) 04:58, 28 March 2013 (UTC))

Mathematical/Symbolic/Formal Logic

The first section under "The study of logic" divides logic into four categories: informal, formal, symbolic and mathematical, whereof all but the first links to mathematical logic, where they are listed as synonyms. It also seems to be more confusion over these three terms later in the article. I'm not sure exactly what are the most recognized relationship between these terms, but we need to try to make it more consistent. –St.nerol (talk) 17:42, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

As it stands, that section only provides references to the content of each of the four categories, not to the fact that there are four categories. We need a broader reference. In my experience, the examples are good ones, but we need a reference that says so. In any case, while all mathematical logic is formal, not all formal logic is mathematical. Some formal logic is Aristotelian. Rick Norwood (talk) 13:03, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Circular referrence

Logic refers to Reason, Reason loops back to Logic. Right in the first sentence in both cases. I understand, these are hard to define. But someone have to try harder. Thanks! :)