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Pirates of the Caribbean: Armada of the Damned

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Nominator(s): — ΛΧΣ²¹ 02:23, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Armada of the Damned is an action-adventure role-playing video game, developed by Propaganda Games based on the Pirates of the Caribbean film franchise. It takes place well before the events of the films, and was the first attempt to create an open-world Pirates game. Sadly, Armada was cancelled just several months shy of its intended release date. However, a lot of information about this game exists so I was able to craft this nice mid-sized article about it. It took me five days to finish it and take it from what it was to what it is now. Hope you enjoy reading it. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 02:23, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from JDC808

Support

I did some copy-editing throughout. I changed some tenses and such since the game was canceled. If you disagree, let me know. --JDC808 ♫ 03:41, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm okay. I was confused whether to use past or present, so I'm good either way. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 04:16, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

~~IGN is no longer owned by News Corporation. They're owned by Ziff Davis Media now.~~ --JDC808 ♫ 03:41, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Fixed. How did I miss that... Thanks! — ΛΧΣ²¹ 04:14, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed the one disambiguation link for you. I don't see anything else. Nice article. On a side note, I was really looking forward to this game (as I'm a big fan of the films) and was disappointed when I heard that they canceled it. --JDC808 ♫ 04:31, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Me too. I raged a lot when it was cancelled :( — ΛΧΣ²¹ 04:44, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Status

"An early gameplay screenshot of Armada of the Damned." → Not very convincing of a caption. The description page does more for me, with: "The first official screenshot for the game Pirates of the Caribbean: Armada of the Damned". — Statυs (talk, contribs) 04:44, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I have improved it. Thanks! — ΛΧΣ²¹ 04:47, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - Much better. — Statυs (talk, contribs) 05:05, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Great article! — Statυs (talk, contribs) 05:05, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

How much of the game was actually complete when it was cancelled? Nergaal (talk) 05:59, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I wish I knew. I guess we'll never know, sadly. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 06:25, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Crisco 1492

Image review:

File:Pirates of the Caribbean Armada of the Damned.png looks {{PD-Text}} to me.
File:AOTDScreenshot.jpg needs to be much smaller to pass fair use. I'd suggest maximum 300px wide.

Reduced now to 300px wide. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 19:56, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Prose review

Addressed comments by Crisco 1492 moved to talk

- ~~A couple issues still present,~~ and I'd like to see David's issues with representation of sources dealt with before I support. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:13, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by David Fuchs

Oppose, per 1c.

Images

File:Pirates of the Caribbean Armada of the Damned.png - this could be shrunk significantly to be lower rez without impinging on legibility.
- That image is likely PD-Text, as mentioned above. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:55, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

References

Source refs all look to meet reliability and quality standards. However on doing some spotchecks I found some issues with referencing:
- The player was to take the role of James Sterling, a pirate captain whose main mission was to travel across the Caribbean Sea and make a reputation for himself. - small thing, but ref 2 doesn't mention his first name.
  - My bad, the first name "James" is mentioned here. Added the ref. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 19:34, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- More concerning, the references to the same ref later on in the section don't cover all the prose, such as Land combat was similar to most western role-playing games, focusing on real-time combat rather than turn-based gameplay. (IGN mentions only Fable).
  - I read that somewhere. Though, I removed it until I can get the ref back in place. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 19:38, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- According to game director Alex Peters, Armada of the Damned's character development was very different than the film series. isn't directly stated in ref 9.
  - This line was rewritten when it was copyedited. Its original meaning is that Armada's characters were developed unattached from those who appear in the film series. I have rewritten the sentence to match its original meaning. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 19:42, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Although the studio used Epic Games' Unreal Engine 3 to develop Turok, it is unknown which engine was used for Armada of the Damned. is not verified by the two sources used in the same paragraph.
  - Yeah. This is an assumption of mine, given that no source explixitly stated which engine was used, but it is known that Turok was developed with Unreal Engine 3. What should I do? Put a ref to "Although the studio used Epic Games' Unreal Engine 3 to develop Turok"? or deleted it all? — ΛΧΣ²¹ 19:42, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    - Nevermind. I just added a ref to support the first part (Turok using UE3). Gonna see if I can find, by miracle, the engine used on Armada, though I doubt it (I would have already found it). — ΛΧΣ²¹ 19:49, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I would recommend going through the entire article again to double-check for issues like this, though I believe it is likely to be the biggest issue in the gameplay and development sections. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 19:35, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. I am going to check the references again and fix. I must have misplaced some references here and there, and I may have added text that is true but not verifiable, so it might have to be removed. I'll do this tomorrow. Cheers. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 00:57, 7 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Darkwarriorblake

Overall an interesting read, a shame there is not more information about it. There are two repeated links in the article body, in the Development section "action adventure" and "roleplaying" are duplicated from the gameplay section. My biggest gripe is that not of the references are archived, so inevitably the article is going to become unreliable as sources die off. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 19:36, 6 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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 *Prose review
+:''Addressed comments by Crisco 1492 moved to talk''
-*'''''Pirates of the Caribbean: Armada of the Damned''''' was an [[Action-adventure game|action-adventure]] [[Role-playing video game|role-playing]] video game that was being developed by [[Propaganda Games]] for the [[Xbox 360]], [[PlayStation 3]], and [[Microsoft Windows]] platforms. - Mention that it's cancelled in the first sentence. It will explain the tenses a lot easier.
+**<s>A couple issues still present,</s> and I'd like to see David's issues with representation of sources dealt with before I support.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 00:13, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
-**Done.
-*''Armada of the Damned'' was the second attempt to create an open-world game based on the franchise - the first?
-**Actually, it's the first. No idea why it said the second.
-*[[E3 2009|2009's]] [[Electronic Entertainment Expo]] - per [[WP:SEAOFBLUE]], we should avoid having two blue links next to each other.
-**Wha? it was a single link... SOmebody changed it. Changed it back to a single link.
-***Comment: I made it two links because in a previous FAC of mine, a reviewer (who was a non-gamer) did not understand what E3 (with year) was and had to go through two articles (the article with the year, then to the E3 article itself) from the link I provided just to find out what Electronic Entertainment Expo was. --[[User:JDC808|<font color="green">JDC808</font>]] [[User talk:JDC808|<font color="black">♫</font>]] 05:34, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
-****Ooh, now I see why. I might change it to [[Electronic Entertainment Expo]] of [[E3 2009|2009]] then. — [[User:Hahc21|<font color="#333333">'''ΛΧΣ'''</font>]][[User_talk:Hahc21|<font color="#336699">'''<sup>21</sup>'''</font>]] 05:59, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
-*****Or you could keep as is and just put "E3" in parenthesis after that with "E3" being linked to the main E3 article. I don't believe there would be issues with blue links then. -> "[[E3 2009|2009's Electronic Entertainment Expo]] ([[Electronic Entertainment Expo|E3]])" --[[User:JDC808|<font color="green">JDC808</font>]] [[User talk:JDC808|<font color="black">♫</font>]] 16:47, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
-*[[Third person (video games)|third-person]] [[Action-adventure game|action-adventure]] [[Role-playing video game|role-playing]] - Oh the pirates sail the seas of blue...
-**Rewritten to void so much blue together.
-*Sterling's features could be customized by the player. Gameplay in ''Armada of the Damned'' was centered around a choice system that would affect the character's appearance, personality, weapons, attacks, quests, and story developments. - So could Sterling both be customized by the player and by the player's choices, or indirectly customized by the player through his/her choices?
-**By both. Some of his features are customized directly by the player, and other by their choices.
-*Legendary and Dreaded - Any relation to good/evil alignment (like in D&D)?
-**Yes. This is explained in the plot section.
-*had several unique default sets that shaped the way the game was experienced, - sets of what?
-**"Features" is better than "sets". Replaced.
-*Land combat was similar to most role-playing games. Sterling had a light and a heavy attack, which could be combined to create [[Combo (video gaming)|combos]] that increased the damage he inflicted. - This sounds like real-time attack (mostly common in Western RPGs), rather than turn-based (JRPGs, particularly FF). Might want to differentiate between the two, or at least point to [[Turns,_rounds_and_time-keeping_systems_in_games#Pausable_real-time|Pausable real-time]].
-**It is real time like Western RPGs. Fixed.
-*curse - link to the correct meaning (curse as in magic, rather than curse as in a swear word)
-**Linked to [[Magic (gaming)]], which was the only one I found. [[Curse (gaming)]] doesn't exist yet.
-*If the ship was boarded and the enemy crew was eliminated, the player received more [[Looting (gaming)|loot]] than if the enemy ship was destroyed. - If the player's ship was boarded, or if a player boarded an enemy's ship? Very key difference, not quite clear from your wording here.
-**Added that the ship that's boarded is the enemy one. Ha.
-*The game was to follow James Sterling, a pirate captain whose main mission was to travel across the Caribbean and make a reputation for himself. - you've repeated this sentence three times already
-**Oops. Removed.
-*Part of #Plot sounds like gameplay
-**Yeah, they were very tied and as little info was revealed, I had a hard time trying to separate them.
-*dark - as in nighttime? Different word.
-**Changed to obscure. Hope it works.
-***That's definitely not what they meant in the source; how can you fear something you don't know?&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 00:13, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
-*Suggest merging #Gameplay and #Plot, as there is a lot of overlap
-**I removed all gameplay-repeated details from plot. Now it looks more like a plot section hehe.
-*the development of action-adventure and role-playing games for Disney. - Link the genres. Also, I love how we contrast "Disney" with ''Turok: Dinosaur Hunter''
-**Is that good or bad?
-***My main point was the genres, assuming they aren't linked elsewhere. The Disney/Turok was just a bit of [[snark]].&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 00:13, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
-*''Armada of the Damned'' was supposed to include an interactive choice system to shape the game, making choices an important feature. - Above you say that it ''did'' include a choice system
-**Changed to "included". Ooops.
-*Still more overlap, such as "The game world included land and sea locations across an [[open world]] environment. It was technically enhanced for standard third-person combat and naval combat."
-**Removed the overlapping text.
-*feel familiar to the characters featured in the films. - Holy alliteration, Batman! Any way to rework this?
-**Added ''Pirates of the Caribbean'' before "films".
-*When did Propaganda first announce this game? ''Turok'' was 1999, and the article talks about "films", meaning after ''Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest'' (2006). That's a long span.
-**The article says when on the #Reception section: it was announced in 2009.
-*An original music score was written for ''Armada of the Damned'', - by whom?
-**Let me take a look. I think that the composer's name was never revealed.
-*"Disney Interactive Studios confirms the cancellation of the ''Pirates of the Caribbean: Armada of the Damned'' video game which was scheduled to be released in 2011." - We really don't need a quote box for this.
-*In October 2010, Disney Interactive Studios announced that ''Armada of the Damned''{{'s}} development team would be laid off as part of a restructuring program. Disney also announced that Propaganda would finish development of ''Tron: Evolution'' and its planned post-launch downloadable content. - Could be combined.
-**Tweaked. DOn't know how to merge them...
-*Any way to avoid saying ''Tron: Evolution'' four times in two sentences?
-**Yes. Tweaked.
-*Most journalists -- followed by a whole bunch of depressed comments. Most means there were some happy ones. Anywhere? Also, this paragraph would go best in the next section.
-**Well, no. They all felt dissapointed...
-*Overall very nice, although there are some structural and grammatical issues.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 12:22, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
-**A couple issues still present, and I'd like to see David's issues with representation of sources dealt with before I support.&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 00:13, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 ====Comments by David Fuchs====