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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (June 2013)

ICHTHUS

June 2013

From the Editor

Since its formation in 2006, WikiProject Christianity has come a long way. A significant number of new articles have appeared on a wide range of topics, and the quality of some key articles has seen dramatic improvement. Yet, by the very nature of the open, crowd-sourced development environment in which we operate, as the number of pages in the project has increased at times our attention has been naturally diluted. We should of course strive for quality everywhere, but we should remember that this newsletter is called Ichthus.

Starting this month we will start a "Focus on" series, where we will try to "bring Jesus back" and focus on him. For five consecutive issues we will focus on one aspect of the study of Jesus. The goal of this series is to inform our members of what the project contains and highlight those articles which have reached quality and stability.

From this month until November we will focus on the historical Jesus, a topic which has been the subject of much discussion on article talk pages, as well as the general media. This is an important topic, and we have a good set of well referenced articles on that now. Then, starting in December we will focus on Christ, and the spiritual and theological elements that the title entails. Following that the review of the life and ministry of Jesus in the New Testament, his miracles, and parables will take place. And each month the "Bookshelf" will mention a book that fits the theme of the month.

We hope you will enjoy this journey as we present a new aspect of Jesus each month. And given that as the number of project pages increases, the ratio of those watching the pages declines, we hope that more of you will watch some of these central pages that help define this project.

Church of the month

The current building of All Saints' Church, Winthorpe in Nottinghamshire, England which was completed in 1888, is at least the third version of the church, which dates back to at least the early 13th century.

Good articles and DYKs
The article Jesus received the good article mark last month, as did Cleeve Abbey. A number of churches were featured on the main page in the DYK section in May, namely St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St Patrick's Liverpool, Vlah Church, Freerslev Church, Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, Mata-Utu, St. Michael's Cathedral (Sitka, Alaska), St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St. Pierre Cathedral, Saint-Pierre, Mont Saint Michel Abbey, St Patrick's Church, Liverpool, Vlah Church, St Catherine of Siena Church, Cocking, Catedral Nuestra Señora de La Asunción, Roholte Church, Notre Dame Cathedral, Taiohae, Leicester Abbey, Caracas Cathedral, Caldey Abbey, King's Mead Priory, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Hong Kong) andAll Saints' Church, Winthorpe, as well as the hymn What Wondrous Love Is This.

Focus on...

THE
HISTORICAL JESUS

Did Jesus exist? Did he walk the streets of Jerusalem? The Historicity of Jesus article answers these questions with a firm affirmative. Historicity does not discuss if Jesus walked on water, but if he walked at all. The issue was the subject of scholarly debate before the end of last century, but the academic debate is almost over now. As the article discusses, virtually all academic opposition to the existence of Jesus has evaporated away now and scholars see it as a concluded issue. The discussion is now just among mostly self-published non-academics.

In 2011 John Dickson tweeted that if anyone finds a professor of history who denies that Jesus lived,he would eat a page of his Bible (Matthew 1 he said). Dickson's Bible is still safe.

The article discusses the ancient sources that relate to Jesus and how they fit together to establish that he existed. The evidence for Jesus is not just based on the Christian gospels, but by inter-relating them with non-Christian sources, and the fact that they all "fit together". Moreover, the existence of Jesus is not supported just by Christian scholars and in recent years the detailed knowledge of Jewish scholars and their discoveries (e.g. Shlomo Pines' discovery of the Syriac Josephus) has proven highly beneficial. We encourage you to read and follow the article, for the existence of Jesus is central to the existence of Christianity.

From the bookshelf

Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence by Robert Van Voorst, 2000 ISBN 0-8028-4368-9

Just a few years after its publication, Van Voorst's book has become the standard comprehensive text for the discussion of ancient sources that relate to Jesus and his historicity. This detailed yet really readable book has received wide ranging endorsements - Blomberg and Harris separately referring to it as the most comprehensive treatment of the subject.

Did you know...

A Handel manuscript

• ... that Johann Sebastian Bach wrote the initials "S. D. G.", for Soli Deo Gloria, at the beginning and end of all his church compositions to give God credit for the work, and that Handel at times did the same?

Calendar
The coming month includes days dedicated to the honor of Beheading of John the Baptist, Saints Peter and Paul, the Nativity of John the Baptist, and Saint Barnabas.

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Help requests
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EdwardsBot (talk)

In re Michael (archangel)

Hello,

Please tell me specifically how you wish the references to the archangel Michael in Katherine Kurtz's fiction to be cited. Direct quotes from the texts? With or without page numbers? Every work specifically listed? Any specific edition preferred (hardback versus paperback)?

Also, if TV Tropes isn't up to snuff as a source, I understand the author herself participates in an online chat with fans on a frequent basis, with transcripts posted online afterwards. If the summary of her Michaeline order as "a cross between the jesuits and the Templars" is put to her and she agrees with it, would citing the chat log of the conversation be sufficiently well sourced?

Thank you, 69BookWorM69 (talk) 02:32, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

You will need citations from reliable secondary sources such as news articles, magazines, scholarly books. An online chat is not a reliable secondary source. Citing the work itself as a primary source is acceptable in certain narrow circumstances, see: WP:PRIMARY, but you can't base any analysis on it. Elizium23 (talk) 02:37, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

Mr. T

It wasn't defamation... <removed per WP:BLP>... plus, I'm a huge fan of Mr. T. :P RingtailedFox • Talk • Contribs 02:39, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

You will need to provide reliable secondary sources to prove your assertion. And until then, don't repeat it anywhere, because I will remove it according to WP:BLP! Elizium23 (talk) 02:51, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

The Hunger Games

The reason i added that to Jennifer Lawrence's wiki is because it was already on Josh Hutchersons wiki, and unless you live under a rock you would know that these movie are coming out! instead of thinking i made them up — Preceding unsigned comment added by Koruptional (talk • contribs) 18:03, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

According to consensus and policy, we do not add films not yet "in production" to filmographies. You can add them to the article if you have a reliable secondary source to cite, but as you can see, they are already mentioned in the article. Thanks. Elizium23 (talk) 18:06, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Speaking of movies, that flick they named for you appears to be pretty exciting. Drmies (talk) 18:28, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

I am honored. Elizium23 (talk) 18:29, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Confiteor

Synthesis is an editorial judgment or interpretation that is created from two works that neither work says explicitly. Original research is providing a theory of your own, typically unsupported, in the article. Interpretation should be supported. However, this is not an interpretation of facts. This is establishing a translation equivalency from one text in its Latin original to English for reader's ease. Providing a translation of a few lines that can be confirmed by anyone with a Latin-English dictionary is not synth. Therefore, your removal of a basic verbatim translation on the grounds of WP:OR or WP:SYNTH is entirely baseless and wrongheaded. SEE: WP:SYNNOT WP:NOTOR#Translation and contextualizing. I'm reverting your removal of the translations per these two policies.--ColonelHenry (talk) 18:23, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, you are clearly right. My revert and warning were incorrect, and I am retracting them. Sorry for the inconvenience. Elizium23 (talk) 18:27, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (July 2013)

ICHTHUS

July 2013

From the Editor

Welcome to the July 2013 issue of Ichthus. We focus on the chronology of Jesus, as well as looking back at the project content improved over the last month.

WP:X has gained another Featured Article, Gospel of the Ebionites, by Ignocrates. The Gospel of the Ebionites is the name scholars give to an apocryphal gospel that supposedly belonged to a sect known as the Ebionites. It consists of seven short quotations discovered in a heresiology known as the Panarion, written by Epiphanius of Salamis, and its original title remains unknown. The text is a gospel harmony composed in Greek, and is believed to have been written during the middle of the 2nd century.

St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn was promoted to Good Article status, as was two other welsh churches, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, and St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch.

The main page also featured several DYK hooks for articles in our project, namely Bob Fu, List of places of worship in Tandridge (district), Catholic Press, Garendon Abbey, St. John's Episcopal Church (Jersey City, New Jersey), Pargev Martirosyan, Praskvica Monastery, Heather Preceptory, St. Augustin, Coburg, Longleat Priory, St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, Christianization of Moravia, Christianization of Bohemia, Repton Abbey, St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch, Medingen Abbey, Elmhurst Christian Reformed Church, St. James on-the-Lines, and Leopold Karl von Kollonitsch.

Church of the month

St. Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery is part of Saint Sophia's Cathedral, Kiev in Ukraine. It is a functioning monastery that dates back to the Middle Ages.

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 367 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Newchildrenofthealmighty, Evenssteven, Kerna96, and FutureTrillionaire. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

Focus on...

THE
HISTORICAL JESUS

When did Jesus live? When did he die? How do we know? We do, in fact, have excellent information about the time intervals for the life and death of Jesus. As in other people who lived and died in the first century, this gives an approximate date range, but still, give or take 3-4 years and we have pretty good estimates confirmed by a number of really diverse sources, ranging from inscriptions in Delphi to Roman and Jewish sources. The Chronology of Jesus article discusses how a wide variety of Christian, Jewish and Roman sources are used to establish the time-frame for the life and death of Jesus.

And all of his data fits together. For instance, the chronology of Paul had been discussed based on the Book of Acts long ago, then the Delphi Inscription is found in the 20th century in the Temple of Apollo. And guess what.. it confirms it and totally dates his trial in Corinth, which helps reaffirm the date of the crucifixion of Jesus. The same date range is independently estimated from the writings of Josephus on the Baptist's death. And it fits Isaac Newton's astronomical models for the crucifixion date as well as the independent lunar calculations of Humphreys. As that article shows, all these dates just fit together.

From the bookshelf

Chronos, kairos, Christos: nativity and chronological studies edited by J. Vardaman, E. M. Yamauchi 1989 ISBN 0-931464-50-1

This two volume book (with a very apt title) is gem-filled with scholarly research. Paul Maier's article in the first volume is a classic study on the chronology of Jesus and provides a useful summary of a number of issues.

Did you know...

Hemis monastery

• ... that the Russian journalist Nicolas Notovitch who in 1894 originated the story that there was evidence at the Hemis monastery that an adult Jesus had traveled to India, later confessed to fabricating his evidence?

Calendar
This month (July) contains the feast days of Mary Magdalene, and James, son of Zebedee.

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EdwardsBot (talk)20:25, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

This issue was distributed on behalf of Gilderien, current editor of the Ichthus, at 20:25, 30 June 2013 (UTC). Comments and other feedback are always welcome at his talk page.

Images ready

Hi again. The images are licensed now at: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Audrey_Assad . I cropped that one you liked. We can crop it in closer or out further if you wish. I will add it to the article first and see how it looks.--Canoe1967 (talk) 05:07, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, they look good! I look forward to seeing one in the article now. Elizium23 (talk) 05:09, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Re: July 2013 (User 121.219.90.44)

Hello, I will take that into consideration. To include a reliable citation - eg a news article - how do I do that? Do I just include the name of the website? 121.219.90.44 (talk) 02:05, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

WP:Citing sources should give you the information you need. Elizium23 (talk) 02:06, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

FYI

FYI: [1] 70.235.86.12 (talk) 18:47, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

HP Task Force

Howdy, just wondering if there is discussion anywhere regarding the inclusion of non-novel and non-book articles into WP:NOVELS? It doesn't make much sense to me (since it would justify the inclusion of nearly every article into the project), but if there's consensus, it would lower my heckles. Olegkagan (talk) 06:12, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Decision was made after discussion at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Novels/Harry_Potter_task_force#Turning_this_Project_into_a_task_force.3F Elizium23 (talk) 15:47, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I went there, but there wasn't much (any, really) discussion about the nuts and bolts of, for example, assessing articles about actors within WP:NOVELS. I added something, but the decision has apparently already been made. Olegkagan (talk) 18:59, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Your recent changes to Pope John Paul II (Canonization to Canonisation)

Hi,

Thanks for the explanation on American vs. British English. I will leave your revisions alone for the sake of harmony but wanted to point out that, as you say in your explanation "For an international topic, use the form of English that the original author used." If you look, the original author of Pope John Paul II was an American (User:The Epopt) from Southern California, and used American English. FYI {{subst:User:Spool_26/signature}} (talk) 22:36, 10 July 2013 (UTC)