Talk:Cephalic index

Article organisation

68.164.82.165 made the point that there is a disproportionate amount of information on brachycephalic dogs. This article needs cleaning up. --apers0n 07:34, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Cephalic index is of interest in two separate fields: human anatomy/anthropology, and veterinary anatomy/zoology (particularly with relation to the evolution of domestic animals, known as anthrozoology). The whole topic seems to be spread between this page and the one entitled Craniometry which is limited to the human topic. I would split the whole subject into Cephalic Index for the human anatomists and Cephalic Index - Domestic Animals for the rest. We could also use a new article on anthrozoology in general. Autangelist 03:36, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

My apologies, I see there is such a page - the beginnings of one at least. Autangelist 03:41, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

what happened?

cephalic index just for animals ? what happened cephalic index of human races ?

Proposed creation of a new page: Cephalic index (non-human) --apers0n 12:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Howabout a someone less awkward name, like Cephalic index in animals? (I know that humans are animals, of course, but I think most people will understand the distinction.) --Fastfission 20:23, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment: To reduce ambiguity and following the precedent of articles such as: Pneumonia (non-human), Cerebellar hypoplasia (non-human) and Non-human fatherhood, although if the only animals that are included are cats and dogs, it could be Cephalic index in cats and dogs ? --apers0n 22:53, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Gimme Faces: Just wondering how a dog such as the bull terrier is classified as brachycephalic? I thought this had to do with skull shape...the bull terrier has a very long nose, unlike the short noses of all the other brachycephalic dogs listed. Also, yeah, can we talk about humans here please? And put up some pictures? There's nothing wrong with showing some pictures of typical human skull shapes (therefore faces) that happen to be prevalent in specific geographical regions.

We could add real human faces, but this might reveal for the first time the real alien race that govern our planet:the dolichocephalic (long-headed, incorrectly named as Aryan) belongs to a particular alien race where a good number of them are actively operating in highly racial political movements- some are explicit in their actions (e.g BNP party members with the red cross) while others cunningly preach love biding religion (xthianity; Jesus; the cross). On the other side, the brachycephalic race (found in Negroid race) are the real indi-genous of this planet. Therefore if we put these faces, it might reveal the alien race that is up today engaged in exploiting extensively this planet and its indigenous living things (including humans now merely ready to be entirely replaced by robots)-(d501tsaxet"at"hotmail.com). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.2.117.223 (talk) 02:12, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Among humans

dolichocephalic, mesocephalic, bracycephalic, what is this among humans? what is it good for? and why should one care? An expert please!Cyrus111 (talk) 13:36, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Merge with brachycephaly and dolichocephaly

The brachycephaly article and the dolichocephaly article do not present sufficient information to stand individually. Brachycephalic and dolichocephalic (the adjectival forms) already redirect to this article. Neither of these terms are human-specific, even though their corresponding articles are. To be more consistent, both brachycephaly and dolichocephaly should be merged into this article. Neelix (talk) 16:34, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Humm, difficult. These seem to me medical conditions, comparable to Microcephaly, rather than categories of normal human and animal variation. Since dolichocephaly is just another name for another condition, it coyuld be redirected. But there is room for confusion here, so maybe disambiguation is the way to go. Paul B (talk) 16:55, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Dolichocephaly along humans is not just a medical condition, but rather a phenotypic expression of an individual's genes. It's of tremendous importance to archaeologists, forensic anthropologists, and paleoanthropologists. As such, this entry should not be merged with brachycephaly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.81.32.102 (talk) 05:35, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

The Great Dane is dolichocephalic?

It doesn't look it. Lemon Pickets (talk) 10:38, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Cephalic Index of animals asides from dogs

This article could use some information related to the Cephalic Index of animals asides from domestic dogs - domestic dogs are covered almost exclusively, save for the 3 cats in the brachycephalic category. --24.7.167.16 (talk) 08:58, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Neapolitan Mastiff

The Neapolitan Mastiff is listed in both the Brachycephalic and Mesaticephalic lists. I think it belongs in the Mesaticephalic group, but I thought I'd address it here rather than changing it. --RandFnR26 (talk) 00:42, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Different populations of humans have different cephalic indexes.

75.166.213.195 (talk) 20:36, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Accusations of misrepresentation

Anything like this is a WP:BLP violation unless it is attributed to a clearly reliable source. Dougweller (talk) 10:25, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Did some one stop in the middle of the project?

Why is there long lists of canines and felines on this page instead of the page specifically related to dogs and cats? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.197.53.106 (talk) 03:36, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

King Charles Spaniel vs. Kavalier King Charles Spaniel

The Kavalier King Charles Spaniel isn't brachycephal. The brachycephal dog is the King Charles Spaniel.79.201.136.130 (talk) 16:37, 25 July 2013 (UTC) 79.201.136.130 (talk) 16:35, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

I lack expertise to edit this but it seems wrong

Maybe I should be braver and just change this ... but ...

This sentence in the section Brachycephalic animals appears to confuse "breadth" with "length".

QUOTE A brachycephalic skull is relatively broad and short (typically with the breadth at least 80% of the length)

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Also, it seems like there should be a mention of muzzle, generally, as there is in the entry "Cephalic Index in cats and dogs".