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Thanks

Ha, thanks for spotting and fixing that [1], you'd of thought because of how long I spent on that article I would of noticed my mistake! Though I must admit, the thought of sticking Vettel into a can every race is increasingly appealing... ;) QueenCake (talk) 16:17, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

No worries. DH85868993 (talk) 01:53, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Grand Prix of Europe

I really think that the flag of the European Grand Prix article should be changed to the the "EU" flag, I know its the official flag of the European Union but the flag has always been associated with being the flag of europe and it would be much easier to recognise as other sport articles with a Europe titled event use the EU flag so shouln't this article.

European Grand Prix - Example!

Daniels Renault Sport (talk) 12:05, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

One problem with doing that is that we then have to consider what flags to use for the other non-national Grands Prix which have been part of the World Championship, e.g. the Pacific Grand Prix, the Pescara Grand Prix, the Caesars Palace Grand Prix, the Detroit Grand Prix, the Dallas Grand Prix and even the Indianapolis 500, to say nothing of the myriad non-Championship Grand Prix, e.g. Buenos Aires Grand Prix, Glover Trophy, etc. The current convention (i.e. to use the flag of the country in which the circuit is located), while perhaps occasionally non-intuitive, is much simpler. DH85868993 (talk) 06:09, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Baghetti

No worries! I thought that was probably what happened. Cheers! Bretonbanquet (talk) 07:00, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Caterham Group Template

I've created a template for the Caterham Group article so it would be easier to navigate around other Caterham related articles would you mind taking a look over it and suggest any improvements, your open to edit it yourself if you want. Daniels Renault Sport (talk) 16:28, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Fix for double cat problem

see Template talk:WikiProject Formula One. Frietjes (talk) 13:46, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Arrows A11

Oooops, I confused the number of races for the A11 and its modifications with the number of entries there.

It did of course feature in 35 races, while it had a total of 69 entries (two in each race except Imola '91). It was the five entries in '91 that got me confused.

Thanks for rectifying my mistake, DH85868993. Bluebird207 (talk) 00:21, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

No worries - we're all entitled to the odd mistake! DH85868993 (talk) 04:30, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

Talk:McLaren Archiving

Hi. I've proposed archiving Talk:McLaren and wanted to bring this to your attention and ask you to weigh-in on the discussion page, since you're one of the most prolific contributors to the main article. Please feel free to advise any other editors as well! No action will be taken by me prior to establishing consensus, however. Cheers. Azx2 16:07, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

I've left a comment at Talk:McLaren. As a general rule, archiving of talk pages is fairly uncontroversial, so if you encounter a similar situation in the future, my advice would be to be bold and just do it. Regards. DH85868993 (talk) 09:01, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. I will certainly consider being bolder in the future. But for now I went ahead and set-up the archiving and it seems to be working fine. Thanks again for your support. Cheers! Azx2 05:39, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Sauber Grand Prix results

I was looking over the Sauber grand prix results section of the Sauber article and I noticed that the results of the team when it was under the name BMW Sauber where not included, Shouldn't they be included even under different ownership the team was still considered to be Sauber itself and that the BMW era was part of its competition history, I personally think it should be included just like how the Footwork results are included in the Arrows results even though its under different ownership and constructor name Footwork -> Arrows results combined YES and BMW Sauber -> Sauber results combined NO what's up with that? It would be easier and suitable to have their results combined. Daniels Renault Sport (talk) 00:26, 6 July 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Footer Movies Harish Shankar

Template:Footer Movies Harish Shankar has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. The Banner talk 22:59, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Derek Bell and WP:F1 convention on Teams

Hi DH85868993, thanks for your attention on my edit on Derek Bell. I am thinking hard about your comment "although the field is labelled 'Teams', by WP:F1 convention the constructors are listed", and have a question.
While your comment is certainly true, I always thought the convention is there for the ease of assembling the info, without any intention of limiting the scope and the accuracy of the articles. As you know, the teams are required to be chassis constructors (but not required to be makers of engine/transmission/tyre/etc.) by the current F1 reguration, so the convention has no problem describing current events, but this was not the case in the past, and there is no guarantee that this is going to be the case in the future.
So, my question is "Does WP:F1 realise and endorse ignoring this important part of the history of Grand Prix racing by the enforcement of the Team=Constructor convention?"
Drivers compete, Teams compete, Engineer/Designers compete, Chassis makers compete, Engine makers compete, Tyre makers compete; these are all part of the F1 spectacle at least in the past, and any convention (or at least the enforcement of it) that limits the effective presentation of the spectacle is harmful in my mind. In the case of Derek Bell, I believe he would be terribly disappointed if the Wikipedia article cannot include the contribution of Wheatcroft Racing on his career. Yiba (talk) 02:47, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Yiba. To clarify, I don't think that WP:F1 is enforcing a convention that "Team=Constructor"; the convention is merely that in a driver's infobox, the constructors (well, the chassis makes, actually) of the cars the driver drove are listed, rather than the teams for which they drove. It's just somewhat confusing/unhelpful that the field is labelled "Teams" rather than "Constructors" or "Makes" or "Cars Driven" or something like that (I've previously suggested changing the field label; perhaps I should raise it for discussion again). One of the reasons behind the convention is to keep the information in the infobox fairly concise - imagine if Andrea de Cesaris' infobox contained the full names of all the teams he drove for - the list of constructors/chassis makes is long enough! Certainly there is no intention to downplay the importance of the teams; they're all listed in full in each driver's results table. DH85868993 (talk) 09:45, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi DH85868993, thank you very much for the explanation. I now understand where and how I misunderstood in the whole picture, and see the difficulty clearly through the Cesaris example. As I am not part of WP:F1 (I am more into sports car racing), I would leave the 'Teams' labelling issue with you, hoping that it will be solved in the future.

I would like to offer some pointers for your convenience: 1. 'Team' was, and is, an important part of F1 history, possibly more so than the concept of 'Constructor' (Rob Walker Racing Team won a GP with a Lotus before Team Lotus did.)., 2. It may be easier for the younger editors to understand the concept by thinking about the roles of "on track" contingent vs. "home base" contingent of a modern F1 team., 3. Many F1 drivers compete in CART Racing where "Team=Constructor" does not apply, and this is becoming the important part of more and more number of F1 driver careers. (Danny Sullivan article uses both F1 and "racing driver" infoboxes, and Emerson Fittipaldi article uses just the "F1 Driver" infobox. Takuma Sato may be a good example of what to expect in the future.) Yiba (talk) 04:20, 17 August 2013 (UTC)

Hamilton edit

Sorry for my wrong edit... sorry :( --Francesco Betti Sorbelli (talk) 10:37, 28 August 2013 (UTC)