Talk:Super Smash Bros. Brawl/Archive 4

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Archives
Archive 1 (October 2005 → E³) Archive 2 (24th May → 31st May 2006) Archive 3 (31st May → 6th June 2006)

Question regarding the Stages

If I should've sent this to one of the archive pages, please move it there and leave a message here telling me.

As you already know, the castle stage has Daein crests in it, or at least something pretty darn close (Yes I've looked at them up close, and the differences are there). Anyways, the next Fire Emblem game may be a direct sequel to Path of Radiance. Would a reference to the new game help the article any, or just add speculation(which nobody wants)? --DcPimp 22:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

The signs are DIFFERENT. Why would Daien get a new crest? Not related doesnt belong. Tired cant talk in anything but simple sentences.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 01:17, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Just checking. And I already said I know the crests are different. Sheesh.... --DcPimp 01:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

If anything, it's probably the lost Akaneia stage that was planned for Melee, from Fire Emblem 1/3. Everyone swears it has to be from one of the new/unreleased games but never take the time to think that it might possibly correspond to the existing characters in SSB like most of the other stages.--Claude 03:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

More Characters? GO to http://aussie-nintendo.com/?v=news&p=3485 and check that out! Add them into the article! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Cocopopz2005 (talk • contribs) .

Apparently, they got that information from a forum, so chances right now are slim.(65.115.123.226 15:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC))

Im pretty sure Akenia(sp) is from the first game.Qwerasdfzxcvvcxz 11:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Three new characters confirmed?

According to LiveWii, a French gaming site with an undeniably slick name, the director of Super Smash Bros. Brawl for the Wii revealed on Japanese radio, of all places, that there will be three more new characters for the game - Cel-Shaded Link, Ridley and Bowser Jr... Further, it is apparent that the Ice Climbers, Mr Game & Watch and Young Link will disappear from the series [1]

The site didn't have pictures from the game of the characters, only an amalgam of seperate character art.

Edit: sorry - didn't see their previous mention in talk.

This makes the second time this has come up. I recently found a site (can't remember the name) doing a Google search that claimed the exact same thing. Either this is a really good hoax, or there is some truth in it. --DcPimp 12:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Just wait until a more reliable site (1Up, IGN, etc) reports it as true. However, if any of them say "This rumor has been circulating...", then just wait. JQF 14:06, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Right now, it's not true. Most people say that the site is not accurate. For now, it's more of a rumor than truth.(65.115.123.226 15:34, 7 June 2006 (UTC))

1up justed posted that this is indeed true. Sry to all of you non-believers. It is true. Deal with it!

Yes, its true... I'm bummed out about Young Link, Mr. Watch and the ice climbers, though... Bly1993 20:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't think Wii should add anything until we get it from a reliable source, as I've said before, I'd rather be slow on the news than misleading. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 20:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Problem- someone already added it. I agree that nothing should be there until it's announced offically on the English Smash Dojo page- but every time I go to edit that section, the new character stuff doesn't appear (just the "don't add any new characters" warning). What's up wih that?--DainichiJess 20:18, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Tis been removed. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 20:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm personally of the persuasion that 1Up bought into a rumor that's been flying around for a week or so, and that this info is false. One thing that REALLY bugs me about the rumor is that they say that they're axing Young Link, and then turning right around and saying that they're including Wind Waker Link, as though these are mystically separate entities or something (well, okay, yes, I'm aware that OoT's Link and WW's Link aren't the same, but you know what I mean). smashbros.com updates every Wednesday evening (Thursday, technically, but it's still Wednesday in my time zone) so let's see what, if anything, gets reported tonight. Though even if this rumor is true, I doubt that tonight's update will be Ridley, Jr., or WW. --HeroicJay 20:28, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, let's wait for Dojo to confirm it. Man, I'm torn on this one. I really want to see Ridley, WW Link, and Koopa Kid, but I'll miss G&W, Young Link, and the Ice Cli-...no wait...KILL THE ICE CLIMBERS!!! Dang I hate them. :P RememberMe? 21:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

I've seen the same exact same rumour over a week ago (so before the last update). That alone makes me have a very, very, very hard time believing this. If the update tonight doesn't say anything, then this rumour should be officially fake. 199.126.137.209 21:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)Xubelox 22:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

It sounds pretty fake to me. But I still want them. THIS IS SO DANG CONFUSING!!! O_o RememberMe? 22:40, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Well, Video Game News Sites aren't always so sure of the information they put up. It might have been a slow news day for all we know. Only time will tell. InvaderMB 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Personally, I 'm getting really tired of the whole thing. The more people try to confrim it, the happier I get (it gets my hopes up for Ridley), but then someone comes and says its fake and shatters my dreams. I say if someone, anyone, claims it and doesn't have a link to the Dojo or Nintendo or something, we just delete it. I mean this rumor. We still might want to look into new rumors as they appear. --DcPimp 01:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Verifiability. Until it meets that, it is NOT eligible for inclusion. No edit is unless it meets that, it's one of the Wikipedia's main policies. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 03:11, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Well the site wasn't updated. Therefore, I think this info should be considered false. Xubelox 05:36, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Possible characters

That section suddenly sprang up. Isn't it the type of section that's supposed to be discouraged? If so, should it be deleted? Xubelox 23:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Yep, it is. I've given it the chop. --Sparky Lurkdragon 00:40, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, this isn't the kind of topic we were aiming for. But you've got to admit, it will be very difficult to not talk and discuss rumors somewhat. Or was therea section in the article about it that someone added? I've been out most of the day and haven't got to look into this for a few hours. --DcPimp 01:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

There was a section in the article, yeah. --Sparky Lurkdragon 01:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Just checking. By the way, this rumor thing has gotten WAY out of hand. Even people who swear by Nintendo's word are buying into it. If this keeps up, I'm either gonna kick someone's butt or just join the bandwagon. WHY DOES EVERYBODY TORMENT ME WITH RIDLEY? --DcPimp 02:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

They're buying into second (or third, fourth, etc.) hand knowledge from someone who said they heard it on the radio. That does not meet WP:V in even the most broad sense of it. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 03:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Problem with a Bot

I just went and deleted the section regarding the "Confirmed Three"(yeah right), because some Bot editor reverted the page. I didn't think Bots would give in to unconfirmed messages. Does anyone else find this strange? --DcPimp 02:29, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

What bot? Put a comment on its talk page to inform the creators of its malfunction, incase it's not intentionally being malicious. -- Consumed Crustacean | Talk | 03:08, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

That's not what happened, assuming you're referring to what it looks like. The bot simply removed someone adding some random nonsense to the page, probably at about the same time you tried to remove the rumor. --HeroicJay 03:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Sorry, its just the whole Bot concept floors me. I can barely believe that they are not actual users sometimes. --DcPimp 12:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Zelda?

Right... more speculation removed, it had more 1up articles as sources. Should we have a list of reliable sources that we can trust to only publish the truth? When exactly does SSBD update? Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 18:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Normally on Thursdays (Wednesday evenings in America). You'll note the lack of update today? Yeah... the Japanese site didn't get much of anything better this week. So I guess it'll update whenever it updates. And I think the "Zelda" thing was a misunderstanding of "Wind Waker Link". --HeroicJay 18:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

And "Tera"? ; ) Should we only source things from the Dojo site, IGN and Gamespot? Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 18:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Tetra? --HeroicJay 18:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Sarcasm is a dead art... Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 19:20, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Nintendo. Don't forget sourcing things from Nintendo. --DcPimp 23:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

WiiConnect24 adding characters - After Release?

Ok, well, with the new WiiConnect24, wouldn't it be possible to add characters after the realease of Brawl? I am not adding anything about it to the article yet, but I thpught it would be interesting to add something about it here... ~Seros

I heard a rumor about that. But that's exactly what it is, a rumor. The Wii and Super Smash Bros. Brawl are so shrouded in mystery that there are barely any fine details to put in. Just leave it as a rumor for now, and we'll see by Thanksgiving.--The Ninth Bright Shiner ^talk 21:27, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Aye aye. Wasn't planing on adding it til Sakurai confirmed it would be used... ~Seros

Who knows? Man, that would be cool, though. A NEW CHARACTER EVERY 3 DAYS!

3 new characters announced and 3 not returning

http://smashbros.planets.gamespy.com/

It's the second update, not sure if it's reliable though. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Takuthehedgehog (talk • contribs) .

Hmm. I'd still prefer to be cautious and wait until it's on the Dojo, personally.

Also, please remember to sign your comments. :) --Sparky Lurkdragon 00:03, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

This is a rumor that, unfortunately, a lot of sites are taking seriously. I guess they'd rather be wrong than be the last to note it. I have seen no evidence at all that this is real, and given the awkwardness of it (they're dropping Young Link and... adding... Young... Link?) I suspect it's false. --HeroicJay 00:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

If this was legit, it would be on the official site, which has passed the point in which it usually updates (thursday), and this rumour has actually been around for over 2 weeks. It's completely fake.

Xubelox 05:39, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

I concur. I also found that list of huge characters someone posted that's in the archive, the director had taken some suggestions out of the japanese entries which made him laugh. Not much progress then.. Highway ^{Rainbow Sneakers} 07:28, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Why are people still offering this rumor up like no one's heard it yet? The only confirmation will come from Nintendo.--Claude 08:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

It's fake, it was started on some forum. And damn glad I am too - removing the Ice Climbers and Game and Watch? Adding Bowser Junior? Blegh. LupusCanis 09:54, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Character range: 30 to 40

Masahiro Sakurai has said that the character roster size will be within the range of 30 to 40 characters. Decimus Tedius Regio Zanarukando 08:46, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Can you provide your source, please? --Sparky Lurkdragon 08:48, 9 June 2006 (UTC)