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Jenna Jameson

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• Featured article candidates/Jenna Jameson

• Featured article review/Jenna Jameson/archive1

Notified: AnonEMouse, Dismas, Tabercil, WikiProject Pornography

Nominating since this article has many issues. Was nominated in 2007 and has since degraded quite a bit. Some issues were brought up when it was suggested that this article be featured on the Main Page. I have listed several issues on the talk page as well. I've listed several of these issues on the talk page of the article as well. I've fixed a few. However even with these small fixes, the article is still in poor shape.

I even found some information that was incredibly out of date. It listed her as having hosted a show "since 2005" with no indication that the show ended. According to imdb the show ended in 2006. See here I haven't even really read much of the article, just little bits and pieces. Each little I read has issues and requires rewriting, new sources, etc. Needs a lot of re-writing. As it stands I don't think it passes the standards of FA. --Harizotoh9 (talk) 02:07, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

• Comment from Eric Corbett

This article is very poorly written, miles away from meeting criterion 1a. Eric Corbett 21:07, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Since your comment lacks specificity, I'm not sure what you are seeing (or not seeing) to say that its poorly written. This article has already been a featured article, so its in need of revision and updating. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 21:26, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Here are a few examples of some of the problems I see:

• "Jameson and Grdina formed ClubJenna as an Internet pornography company in 2000 ... Early Club Jenna films starred Jameson herself".
• "In 2005, Jameson directed her first film, The Provocateur, released as Jenna's Provocateur in September 2006. The films were distributed and marketed by Vivid Entertainment ...". What films? Only one has been mentioned.
• "adult-entertainment venues" but "adult entertainment industry stars"?
• "On June 22, 2006, Playboy announced that it had bought ClubJenna Inc ...". Playboy is a magazine, it can't buy anything.

Actually its a business entity, so yes it can. It even has 1st Amendment rights. For the statement to be correct, it should read Playboy Enterprises

But it doesn't say Playboy Enterprises, does it. Eric Corbett 22:20, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Then stop being lazy and FIX it, obviously you can type and you've identified the issue. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 18:26, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't know who bought ClubJenna, and nor do I much care. If you know, then you fix it. And please don't ever call me "lazy" again; apart from being incorrect it's a clear personal attack that I will tolerate no more of. Eric Corbett 18:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough, happy to refrain from snarky comments if you are willing to do the same... :) --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 19:14, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

I haven't made any any snarky comments, but if and when I do you'll be left in no doubt. Eric Corbett 19:44, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

• "While Jameson has stated in the past that she is bisexual ...". How could she have stated that in the future?
• "... whom she met in a visit to Costa Rica". Should be "on a visit".
• "... though as of April 29, 2010, the investigation by the police department remains open". It's now 2014. Is it still open?
• A fundamental problem with this article though, which you will not be able to fix easily, is that it's written in the "In XXX she did this ... in YYY she did that ... in ZZZ she did the other" style. There's just no coherent narrative.

Eric Corbett 21:53, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

• Great start! --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 22:07, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

• Comment from User:Scalhotrod

A list of specific items would be helpful, just make sure not to delete any references when making edits. My understanding of this process is that its an opportunity to fix an article, not to delist it. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 21:26, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

It's an opportunity to do both; bear in mind it's not peer review, nor a hospital for sick articles. Eric Corbett 21:57, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Could you explain what you mean by either phrase? I'm not a porn star, are you? I was referring to the guidelines for the review process. --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 22:07, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

I mean that you can't expect those commenting to provide you with a comprehensive list of everything that's wrong with the article, nor expect it to remain here for however long it takes for all the problems to be solved. You have to read the article critically yourself, taking into account the examples provided here. Eric Corbett 22:19, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

If you're not hear to help with improving the article, then why participate at all? --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 18:26, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

I've already given you several examples of where this article needs work, and in what way it needs to be rewritten, and I now look forward to the opportunity to vote for it to be delisted. Eric Corbett 18:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

And I commented on your list, so thank you implicitly. Its clearly a well sourced article that's being watched by 340 users and has had over 2,500 unique editors, it will get the attention it needs. Your comments have helped that process, so thank you again... :) --Scalhotrod - Just your average banjo playing, drag racing, cowboy... (talk) 19:14, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi, nice to meet you Harizotoh (may I call you Hari?), hi again Eric (at least I think we've met, if you are the person once known as Malleus? Foolhammer was a great name), and very, very nice to meet you Scal! Thank you all for commenting. I think I was the main person who got Jenna Jameson to FA. I haven't been very active in the years since Jenna Jameson, but still see it as one of the main ways I've helped the Wikipedia, and would be grateful for the opportunity to fix all issues. As far as I understand, though, WP:FAR is, in fact, for fixing the issues wrong with the article. It's my first time here, but it does seem to say: "The aim is to improve articles rather than to demote them. Nominators must specify the featured article criteria that are at issue and should propose remedies. The ideal review would address the issues raised and close with no change in status." So while we (I'm speaking in the plural now, not as a crowned head of Europe, but hoping that those wishing the article to remain featured feel likewise) can't "expect it to remain here for however long it takes for all the problems to be solved", we absolutely can "expect those commenting to provide us with a comprehensive list of everything that's wrong with the article"; and not only that, but to suggest remedies for that list. The list you have provided is excellent, thank you, and it and any other specific issues brought up will be addressed over the next few days. Thank you for helping to improve the only WP:FA that, according to the FA master, will never be on the main page! --AnonEMouse ^(squeak) 03:41, 19 March 2014 (UTC)