User talk:Charlesdrakew

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John.v.1122

Hi Charlesdrakew. I have tried to improve the wikipedia article on Okara District, Pakistan about the history of different Pakistani tribes living in the region. I have met personally to the people of Okara. I am alos trying to get a source to give as a refrence. Please don't remove my provided information next time. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by John.V.1122 (talk • contribs) 17:23, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

You are not improving anything by adding discredited old myths. I will remove any you add.--Charles (talk) 17:34, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Glyndebourne Opera

Thanks for your comment on the Glyndebourne page. What do you think the best way of distinguishing between Glyndebourne the opera company and Glyndebourne the manor house? We thought it would be best to merge them as a lot of content is duplicated, but perhaps we should have a page for Glyndebourne Opera and Glyndebourne Manor House?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.169.34.146 (talk) 15:11, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Your proposal sounds reasonable. I reverted your edits only because it is usual to propose a merge and allow time for other editors to comment if they wish before doing it. You can find details on how to do this at WP:Merge. I am concerned by your comment "We thought it would be best" as it suggests you may be an organisation rather than an indivdual. If you are working for Glyndebourne you need to read our pages on WP:Conflict of interest.--Charles (talk) 16:50, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Kosovo War, Pristina Airfield Incident

Dear Charles,

Referencing the Incident at Pristina Airfield. I made the edits to the document. I was Corporal Michael Sibert, a Team Leader from A Co 2/505 PIR of the 82nd Airborne Division and I was one of the Infantry Leaders on the Blackhawks which were on the way to attack or eject the Russians from Pristina. The ground Commander was A CO 2/505 CPT Matthew McFarland. The mission consisted of A CO HQ's Element plus 1st and 3rd Platoons, a team from 2/505 Battalion Scout/Snipers, the 2/505 S-3 Operations Officer plus 4 NCO's from A CO 2/505's 2nd Platoon. The information cited is from the Mission Operations Orders which I retained, plus our SITREP Reports and Operational Logs of the Mission which I also Retained. I re-added the edits. For the Record: We landed at Tirana-Rinas International Airfield in Albania and first secured the Airfield and established a secure perimeter for Task Force Hawk and U.N. Relief forces from France (Foreign Legion), Great Britain, the UAE and others. Task Force 2-Panther conducted security patrols through Tirana and the countryside and rehearsed several Gun Raid missions in which a Battery of 4 105 mm Howitzers were airlifted to the Albanian-Serbian Borders by Helicopter, lowered, 56 Rounds of 105mm shells were fired into Serbian held troop concentrations and then retrieved and airlifted out of the area before counter battery fire could be attained. Following this we were first air lifted into Macedonia and then A CO 2/505 (again) was the first unit Air Assault into Kosovo when we landed at a cross-roads outside of the future Camp Bondsteel. Actually, I was the Point Soldier of the task force and therefore was the first soldier to walk up the dirt road to what would be the future Camp Bondsteel-which at the time was a big wheatfield with some blown up Serbian Combines and Tractors which NATO warplanes had bombed believing them to be Serbian Armored. There is actually a painting named "Panthers on Point for the Nation 2-505th In Kosovo" by Rick Reeves. Kosovo, June 1999 "Paratroopers of the 82nd Airborne Division's 2nd Battalion, 505th Parachute Infantry Regiment air assault into Kosovo and establish Task Force Falcon's future command and control center, Camp Bondsteel."

Following the Establishment of Bondsteel we supervised the Serbian Army and MUP forces pull out of the region and the directed the rest of NATO's entry into Kosovo as we passed the Germans, Turks, Irish Guards, and Greeks through and Lines. The Irish Guards had a great gig as they took over the operation of the passenger train service and would would see them riding the trains daily and would often cheer and jeer at them (friendly) about their great duty station. We eventually entered the City of Urosevic/Farajai, and conducted Pacification Operations and then were moved to the City's of Zitinje, Pozeraini, and KloKot in which we patrolled and attempted to stop ethnic cleansing with little success as the Albanian Kosovars were brutually assinating, bombing, and mortaring Serbian villages and villagers, which at that point meant they were either Killing Old Men and Women or younger teenage kids. I was present for the nightly lethal mortar attacks in KloKot in July-August-September of 1999, the market day Bombing of Vitinja in July of 1999, and the ethnic cleansing of Zitinje in July and August 1999- you see rules of engagement meant we were often powerless to stop it and even when our platoon bases were ambushed or mortared, many of those incidents did not get reported up or were squashed because we were "PeaceKeepers" and not supposed to be in combat.

Thankyou. (former) SGT Sibert. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 505thTrooper (talk • contribs) 14:42, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your personal recollections, SGT Sibert, which I have found very interesting. I don't know what Charlesdrakew may make of them, but sadly the fact is that personal recollections are of no use in Wikipedia. You should recount your experiences to respected or respectable journalists - which we (volunteer Wikipedia editors) are not!

Out of interest, and if Charles will permit the discussion; if you as American forces were in control of villages in Kosovo, and witnessed blatant slaughter of civilians, how is it that you were able to do nothing to prevent it? --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:49, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

"Answer: we had 26 American Soldiers and supposed to be watching over 5 villages- Zitinje, Trpeza, Ballance, Kravarice, and Devaje. They were separated by large foothills and we had miles of wheat fields and grazing pasteurs around each village. We would have one squad walking foot patrols at all times, one squad in our Two Humvees, and one squad guarding our Platoon Base-which was first the elementary school in Zitinje and later the Police Station in Klokot. The Albanians would use 10-12 year old boys to follow-us and it was pretty simple. The locals new where our patrols were are all times and they would kill or bomb Serbians in the places we were not.-Sibert"

Thanks for that Demiurge. Something to do with the ludicrously restrictive rules of engagement I expect e.g. if irregulars threw grenades at you and then ran off you were not allowed to shoot at them because they were deemed no longer to be a threat.

"Anser: That and the fact they were running down a street- a block away full of people. Imagine a scene where someone throws a grenade in Times Square New York and then takes off running down the sidewalk on Broadway. As a soldier do you take a shot at them running through the crowd and risk shooting and innocent bystander in the head? No of course not."

I salute you Sgt. Sibert. It must have been both exciting and terrifying. My own military experience is rather more limited having been a sergeant in my high school's cadet force. We were once flown by helicopter into a mock battle but nobody was likely to be firing live rounds at us.

I forget now how I stumbled across that article but it was in a poor state. It seemed to have been largely written by a James Blunt fan about how the singer had single handedly stopped World War III. I happen to have General Mike Jackson's autobiography, which my wife picked up at a used book sale a couple of years ago. He tells how Wesley Clark wanted to send US helicopters until Jackson convinced him that British tanks would be more practical, knowing that the British government would veto this anyway. He does not say which US units were involved. I would like to be able to use some of this, although is rather long and detailed. If we are to include that you will need to find published sources, articles in army magazines or newspapers perhaps? As Demiurge says we are not allowed to use personal recollections or unpublished documents as sources.--Charles (talk) 21:09, 30 April 2014 (UTC).

"Answer: There are some brief mentions in old Army Times Magazine etc. The problem with quoting Generals and their autobiographies is that they are usually propaganda designed to make themselves look smart or important- and since the times of Theodore Roosevelt Jr. or maybe George Patton-I haven't seen a lot of General on the ground with the troops and they are often times the least knowledgeable of what really happened. Most of the stuff that happened in Kosovo got reported up, to a certain point- usually a Major, Lietenant Colonel, or Colonel level and then died there because they didn't want to report that their sections were having problems."

Jacko went on to be head of the British Army and does not need to distort facts. He is not intending to belittle the US contribution either it seems to me. He covers the US helicopter force being on, then off, then on again, but has no reason to go into details of units or exactly how far they got. You will just have to dig out those magazine sources.--Charles (talk) 17:38, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Chelmsford Cathedral

Dear Charles,

I am something of a novice at this, as will already be obvious, and would therefore like some help! A few years ago I attempted to make significant changes to the entry for Christ Church, Harrogate. These were later removed on the grounds that I had used copyright material. In fact it was material I had written for the website of the church (of which I was then vicar). I found no easy way forward, so that entry has remained partial and inaccurate. If you could advise me how to change that, I would be grateful.

More recently I have tried to make some significant changes to the entry for Chelmsford Cathedral, of which I am now Dean. The current entry is both partial and inaccurate. You are aware of the changes I tried to make, and again it would be useful to know how to address this. One concerned the list of schools that the cathedral was said to have active links with. No references were cite for this and I knew as the head of this community that the list was at best inaccurate and mostly wholly wrong. But then my changes were removed because I didn't cite references either! I would be very grateful if you could let me know what references I could cite - our links with local schools are informal and wide ranging, and not written down anywhere, but - cited or not - it would be good to see a less misleading version of the list in the article.

The other bit that was removed was the reference to the Covenant between Chelmsford Cathedral and Brentwood Cathedral. This is an active and important part of our lives, and I have the formal covenant documents in front of me. But I do not know how these can easily be cited in Wikipedia (" on clergy vestry wall in both cathedrals" doesn't sound terribly convincing, but maybe that is what is needed!)

I would be grateful for any advice.

Nicholas

Nicholas Henshall Dean of Chelmsford — Preceding unsigned comment added by Frnjh (talk • contribs) 16:00, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Nicholas. I suppose we regular editors tend to get our hackles up when we see someone editing a subject to which they are closely related. We have to deal with POV-pushing, conflict of interest and self-promotion on a daily basis. In this case it is a good idea to propose on the talk page of the article what you want to do. Fill in the edit summary box to explain what you are doing when changing the article. The article certainly needs a lot of improvement. If there is unsourced incorrect material chop it out. Just make sure that what you add has reliable sources. Sometimes we just have to leave stuff out if sources can't be found. Wikipedia is a work in progress and we can wait for sources to become available. There may be articles about the links you mention in local newspapers or the Church Times perhaps? What none of us are allowed to do is write from our personal knowledge without published sources. You could probably have used your church's website as a reference (depending on the context) if you had rewritten the material to avoid closely paraphrasing the source material, thus avoiding any copyright issues. You could also follow the advise on your talkpage on how to licence the source for re-use under a creative commons license.--Charles (talk) 21:23, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Charles - that is really helpful, and probably explains why so many of the Cathedral and church entries come over as lob sided, as I suspect that most of them are written by insiders who get their material removed. I guess I could pass this over to our communications officer, who is much more of an insider than I am, but who would cover their tracks more effectively! I'll work on the stuff to do with the Covenant, but I will have to leave the almost wholly inaccurate list of schools because there is nothing written down at all - apart from the Cathedral Schools we have no formal relationships with any schools, which is why I tried to remove the list in the first place! Nicholas Frnjh (talk) 06:20, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

I will remove the list.--Charles (talk) 08:58, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Car boot sale

Hi Charles - thanks for message.

The citation referenced is effectively a Wikipedia citation citing Wikipedia: "According to Wikipedia and a few more reliable sources, a Catholic priest called Father Harry Clarke saw one while on holiday in Canada and recognised a good way to raise funds for his church in Stockport. That was in the Seventies, and he could hardly have known that he was starting a custom that in time would eclipse the venerable British jumble sale."

The only reason I checked this 'fact' was I heard Andy Peters mentioning it on tv this morning - as a Canadian I had never heard this piece of Canadiana before so I decided to check. The trail led straight to Wikipedia and a citation citing Wikipedia - a bit of a revolving door experience.

It is quite absurd to suggest there are more reliable sources than Wikipedia and not mention them.

Hope this helps. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BaldricksBrother (talk • contribs) 10:15, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Sounds fair enough. I will take a look later.--Charles (talk) 17:34, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Mustafa Kemal Atatürk & my book

Hello Charles,

I have only just now seen that on 18 November 2013 you omitted my edit to the Mustafa Kemal Atatürk entry in which I added a link to my recently-published book (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mustafa_Kemal_Atatürk&oldid=582239744&diff=prev).

"Conflict of Interest" was given as a reason. Can you explain the conflict of interest in me giving a link to a recent scholarship on Atatürk, from which interested readers could benefit?

Thanks,

Christopherwils (talk) 14:27, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

I would think that is obvious.--Charles (talk) 17:33, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

Metrobus (South East England)

I am a senior member of staff for this company but note you have removed my edits to some incorrect information? What do I need to do as it's very frustrating when incorrect information is being published worldwide about your company. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucacroydon (talk • contribs) 15:56, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Well if you are a senior member of staff you have a serious conflict of interest so best read that first. If information is incorrect and has no sources just delete it, with an explanation in the edit summary box. At least you will know the facts better than the bus spotter nerds and obsessives who infest these pages adding original research and unencyclopedic trivia.--Charles (talk) 20:33, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Grammar isn't a ground for deletion is it, really?

Dear Charles. You are a total Godsend in terms of creation in this encyclopedia as any English geographer would see quickly. You and I know to use Revert, Discuss, Amend sparingly: only where unverifiable opinion is spouted (or similar). As to grammar, really do we have to descend to that level? - Adam37 Talk 13:53, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Your work on updating population statistics is welcome but you then insert all sorts of other information all over the article without citing sources. I am too busy to follow editors around cleaning out the original research while leaving the useful bits. I will therefore revert the lot if you keep doing it.--Charles (talk) 16:40, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

Ely Cathedral

Dear Charles, I think you must have deleted the Gallery without referring to the talk page, where there is an explanation of the work in progress, intended to improve or split the existing gallery to comply with WP:Image use policy.SovalValtos (talk) 09:32, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

No problem. It is all still in the page history. Just click back to that version and copy/paste any material you need. Nice to see you getting into editing in various areas.--Charles (talk) 22:05, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

East Grinstead entry

Hi Charles

I added East Grinstead Online to the media section for East Grinstead.

We are a new community hyperlocal new website focused purely on East Grinstead and as such are as legitimate for this section as the Courier or the local radio station or indeed RH19 which is just a free magazine posted through people's doors monthly.

We are non-profit - in fact we fund it ourselves.

We are supported by the local council, business association and many community clubs and organisations.

You can view our site for a message of support from our constituency MP - Nicholas Soames

I would like you to reinstate the link I added or please justify its removal?

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.253.208.0 (talk) 08:06, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Regardless of fatty Soames' endorsement we do not want it thank you.--Charles (talk) 08:29, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Charles, I don't think your political views should be shaping your activity on Wikipedia - Soames endorsement was purely in his role as the local MP - we are strictly non partisan politically.

Are you going to justify not including the site?

As I said - RH19 is a for profit freesheet magazine that no one chooses to read, but is pushed through your letterbox every month if you live in the town. It is fine for doing what it does but is just an advertising business.

We are trying to build up a positive independent news source for East Grinstead and also help to promote local community organisations, clubs, charities, businesses etc in our own free time and at our own cost. The team include a professional journalist, web specialist, a few photographers and we welcome contributions from any interested parties.

I can't really see why we can't live in the media section considering RH19 is listed there already and the local radio station is also there - they are the same as us, but just a different medium - non-profit, volunteer-run, only local.

Hoping for a reasoned reply this time.

Sincerely, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.253.208.0 (talk) 08:42, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

On yer bike.--Charles (talk) 09:04, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

A discussion on this has been started at ANI (by the IP). Regards, Iselilja (talk) 09:24, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

hey, confused

hey, Charles. question ≤if somebody has a question, say on the teahouse question board, will my name pop up as one of the people that can help≥ im kind of confused about how that works. Kendall 13:44, 15 May 2014 (UTC)Kendanne — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kendanne (talk • contribs)

Not exactly. There is one host shown at random on the question page but the rest of us reside here. Someone posts a question on the questions page and any host who sees it on their watchlist will go there and answer if they have the knowledge. I seldom seem to answer these days because others have usually got there first, which is a tribute to the generosity of our volunteers.--Charles (talk) 21:07, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Sydney's Patronized Railway Stations

I am editing to put the important information on, so I would like you not to remove anymore after today.

Alexander MCGREGOR — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.211.235.71 (talk) 06:37, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

If it is not reliably sourced and verifiable it will be removed. It looks like original research anyway.--Charles (talk) 07:27, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Millennium Force

Dear Charles, Please could you look at this article. I have made some edits that so far have been accepted, but one concerning the phrase 'in this world', which I feel inappropriate, I cannot put into suitable wiki terms to justify a revert. Likely I am wrong and 'in this world' repeated is correct?? SovalValtos (talk) 18:32, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi again. Just looking at the photos makes me feel queasy. WP:PEACOCK comes to mind, along with the essay WP:Fancruft.--Charles (talk) 21:06, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I am not capable of dealing with this. I have looked at some of the editors' other involvements, and they seem to be associated with a number of articles in the same broad field with Peacock queasiness. I expect you are too busy to get involved, but maybe you could get another editor to have a look? Sorry to bother you over what may seem trivial.SovalValtos (talk) 17:07, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

I am very busy at present but I will try to take a look tommorow. Not too trivial at all. Minority interest subjects can get taken over by fans and need to be policed by more general editors.--Charles (talk) 22:05, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

I am looking forward to learning from your work. Not easy, many refs seem to be from sources related to the subject.SovalValtos (talk) 08:26, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

I am run off my feet at the moment so not sure when I will get to it.--Charles (talk) 09:14, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Help!

Hi I had submitted an afc called National centre For Excellence but for the past 2 consecutive attempts the problem was " Not reliable sources ". I have surfed the net for reliable source for my afc and i have listed all of the ones I got. Help please. link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/National_Centre_For_Excellence Thank you, Sincerely, Rahul