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Please discuss on POI and not revert everything

Please discuss the various open discussions at Talk:Person_of_Interest_(TV_series). I have been trying very patiently to be collaborative, but you don't offer any compromises, instead choosing to revert the various compromises I offer without trying to convince me of the appropriateness of the logic. You have not even tried to explain the logic of the ordering. Every character seems to be placed with different reasoning. There seems to me to be no consistency within the article.AbramTerger (talk) 15:41, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Due to your constant reverting with a seeming reluctance to discuss or explain anything, I have made a request for dispute resolution at Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Person_of_Interest_(TV_series).AbramTerger (talk) 11:57, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Drmargi, please stop reverting and join the talk page for discussion and consensus. If the talk page yields no consensus then ask for a third opinion or a WP:RfC or other forms of dispute resolution. It is not appropriate to make a single comment on the talk page citing WP:IAR and quoting Jimbo only to walk away and continue reverting changes. Neither quotes from Jimbo nor a superfluous citing of 'ignore all rules' is a justification for abandoning the fundamental processes of WP. Please join the discussion on the talk page. Thank you.-- — Keithbob • Talk • 13:00, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Please discuss at Talk:Person_of_Interest_(TV_series)#Revamped_Recurring_characters changes you want to make and why you don't want to follow Guidelines for TV Series articles.AbramTerger (talk) 17:49, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

Superhero is a genre

You keep telling me that superhero is not a genre. If this is correct, then why does Wikipedia have a page dedicated to superhero that describes it as a genre. Also, TV shows like Arrow list it as one of their genres. You can verify all of this by clicking on the links in this message.—Saagar A (talk) 18:08, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

You seriously need to get a clue. Read the article you're linking to and see how badly misapplied superhero fiction (not superhero, which is an adjective, not a genre) is to this show. You wider from the mark with superhero fiction than you were with cyberpunk. You need to quit while you're ahead, learn the guidelines for reliable sources (one of the few the community still takes seriously), stop trying to use an editorial piece as a reliable source and learn what those genres you are so badly misapplying actually are. --Drmargi (talk) 19:24, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

The following pages list the page superhero fiction in their genre category as just superhero:

• Arrow (TV series)
• The Cape (2011 TV series)

I agree with you that it should be superhero fiction. I will fix that. I doubt that we need sources for genre because we do not need sources. Why are you so aggressive? Calm down. This is supposed to be a collaborative effort. Debate and discussion is the best way to produce accurate articles. I still do not see how it is not superhero fiction. The show is about a group of individuals using science fiction technology to give them the ability to predict and prevent crimes. Superheroes are vigilantes. Those would be the superpowers as in comics abilities are often derived from technology how is this any different. The Machine is their superpower although it might not seem like one. This is completely consistent with superhero fiction. Either way superhero do not need superpowers as stated in the article.

There is a "rogues gallery" of recurring villains such as HR, Decima, Vigilance, Control, and The Brotherhood. All of which have supervillain names. The article says, "even without actual physical, mystical, superhuman or superalien powers, the supervillain often possesses a genius intellect that allows him to draft complex schemes or create fantastic devices." An example of this is Mr. Greer of Decima in season 2 with the computer virus, and Greer in season 3 with Samaritan. Mr. Greer's plot of creating Vigilance to remove Harold's Machine from power is an example of this trope. An example of the complex schemes would be Elias with his plan to take out the Russian mob and unite the five families. He even went through the trouble of Samaritan itself is an example of such a supervillain. Rogue AI is a common trope in superhero fiction. Another trope, mentioned in the article you think I have not read.

The police has a name for Reese like the Man in the Suit, which is similar to a superhero identity. There are police officers who work with the vigilante similar to Detective Gordon from Batman. In season 4, each team member adopt a secret identity. These civilian alter egos are common tropes in superhero fiction that is also mentioned in the page about superhero fiction. In a comic con panel, one of the creators even referred to it as a superhero show.

The crime drama and science fiction aspects are emergent properties of this being a show about superheros. Did you even read the Wikipedia page on superhero fiction?

If you want to disagree that is fair, just give proper reasoning instead of saying that it is wrong like I did. Also, people have been annoyed with your reverting of changes without discussion in the past.―Saagar A (talk) 20:13, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Although it cannot be used as a source, the following article provides more justification. http://io9.com/5868591/why-person-of-interest-is-a-superhero-show-done-right-Saagar A (talk) 20:22, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

What is eluding you is that POI may take inspiration from superhero fiction, particularly Batman, but that doesn't make it a superhero show. It doesn't meet the description (Arrow and The Cape are singularly unconvincing comparisons). It doesn't fit the superhero fiction genre; read the article carefully, and that's clear as glass. You'd do far better to put your efforts into adding a section to the article narrative, well sourced, that describes how Jonathan Nolan and the writers take inspiration from the genre in the development of the plot. But it's not superhero fiction in and of itself. --Drmargi (talk) 20:42, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

What other kind of source am I supposed to get for a TV show besides promotional materials? The interview I used was on IGN. If a prominent member of the show, says something about the show it is not accurate because it is a promotional interview. Where else could one get information on a TV show? Its not like it is nonfiction. I SHOULD NOT NEED ANY SOURCES FOR GENRE. How is this not a superhero show? Please explain what qualifies as the genre of the show per Wikipedia guidelines.-Saagar A (talk) 20:56, 21 October 2014 (UTC)