User talk:Omicronpersei8

6	As of 1 November 2024, I have screwed up while doing RC patrol at least 6 times, according to this talk page. (Sorry.) Click here to inform me of another error. You may also want to read my counter-vandalism statement.

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Welcome to VandalProof!

Thank you for your interest in VandalProof, Omicronpersei8! You have now been added to the list of authorized users, so if you haven't already, simply download and install VandalProof from our main page. If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me or any other moderator, or you can post a message on the discussion page. - Glen 07:50, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

PS: This'll help with the Ronnie Coleman vandal! :)

Barnstar

		The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
		This RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar has been awarded for your excellent work defending Wikipedia from vandalism. Gray Porpoise 21:40, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Counter-Vandalism Unit

as a new user of Vandalproof, does that make me a member of the Counter-Vandalism Unit? or is that something totally separate? Drmagic 23:54, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so, because that's just some title someone gave me a while back. There are no requirements for being in it -- you just put the proper userbox on your user page/talk page. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 23:57, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Material Girl (Hilary Duff cover)

Perfect! Thanks so much, I really appreciate the correction. I noticed what I had done and I wasn't sure what to do to change it, so it's great that you've made the changes. Thanks again! --Sergio Á. 13:56, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

For reverting my userpage. I had just reverted the same for two other people, so they decied that I would be a good target. Viridae^Talk 07:57, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

No problem, they were after me too. Nothing new, right? Omicronpersei8 (talk) 07:58, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Nope - and it doesn't suprise me. AOL vandals are so irritating. Viridae^Talk 08:02, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Likewise for me—your vandalism reverts are much appreciated. -- Scientizzle 08:30, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome any time. Thanks for doing my reverts, too. Omicronpersei8 (talk) 08:34, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Nonsense?

your rejection of my revision and claiming it to be "nonsense" is unsupported and wrong. The derogatory term, "Spic" is a derivative of the older "Spig" which evolved from the stereotypical response from a Mexican immigrant-"No Spigga de English" ("No Speak the English" My revision of the (incorrect) entry that already exists is correct and should stand in the article. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 166.102.254.142 (talk • contribs) 19:25, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

One supporting item: http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/spic;_ylt=ArWu36BFIQN7H1zuxd21_.isgMMF —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 166.102.254.142 (talk • contribs) 19:29, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, you appear to be right. dictionary.com agrees too. I apologize -- I really thought it was just a racist joke edit. Omicronpersei8 (talk) 19:33, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

thanks for catching the Vandal

Thanks for stopping the vandalism to my userpage. Betacommand 02:33, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Re-introducing copyright violations

G'day Omicronpersei8,

I appreciate you're a member of the Counter-Vandalism Unit, but this edit (reverting to a copyright violation) was rather silly, even for CVU. Please be more careful in future. Thanks, fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 09:32, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, judging by my talk page, I obviously do make mistakes. For some reason, I also have the dubious honor of being called out almost every time I do. I guess I figured, given that an IP blanking a page is usually a case of vandalism, and that errors like mine are easily reverted, that I would get some sort of understanding for not having gone back and checked three posts prior. Omicronpersei8 (talk) 18:35, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Mate, I fixed a copyright violation on an article (then reverted when it was re-introduced). You reverted me, with the edit summary "rvv". I'm sure you can understand why that might cause concern. As for being called out almost every time you make a mistake, well, that's a good thing. Just think how quickly you're learning! :) fuddlemark (befuddle me!) 08:02, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the lesson! -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 23:34, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Unblank the Talkpage

I see you unblanked the talk page of the IP adress I am using now. It is an IP adress from a pool, here is the RIPE Whois:

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status:          ASSIGNED PA 
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You could also have checked yourself. You can see the pool in the listing. It is true that this IP was assigned to me for a long time, but this is because we share a router that is almost always online, plus this IP survived last few resets (like 3 per year I suspect). However, we didn't pay for a static IP adress and it also happened before that the IP changed and it can change anytime. Moreover, even this IP is shared by more individuals who are connected to the router. Any the comments left on the talk page would certainly be inappropriate, moreover, these were no warnings, just messages for me, and I have seen them and I don't need them anymore. Please don't unblank the talk page. 85.70.5.66 22:47, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

That's not how it works here. Talk pages are preserved, regardless of who is currently using them, so that vandalism from a certain provider can be tracked, among other reasons. If you don't like the messages being in your user talk space, then create your own account. It's also very suspicious to me that you are specifically blanking a version of your talk page that shows that your IP has been trying to "recruit" voters for a poll [1]. Furthermore, seeing that your IP has been blocked for said actions and also having seen your IP's POV vandalism to the Jimbo Wales/Statement of principles page makes one unsure about complying with you before some deliberation.

User page blanking is generally considered a form of vandalism, especially when something is being "covered up"; the correct thing to do with conversations you don't want is archive them. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 23:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

How does it work here?

Talk page vandalism
Deleting the comments of other users from article Talk pages, or deleting entire sections thereof,  
is generally considered vandalism. Removing personal attacks is often considered legitimate, and it 
is considered acceptable to archive an overly long Talk page to a separate file and then remove the 
text from the main Talk page. The above does not apply to the user's own Talk page, where users 
generally are permitted to remove and archive comments at their discretion, except in cases of 
warnings, which they are generally prohibited from removing, especially where the intention of the 
removal is to mislead other editors.

There were no warnings on my talkpage. The fact that the other users discussed the block with me doesn't matter - these were not the blocking admins, just people who watched this and encouraged me to get an account etc., these comments are no warnings. Per WP:VAN, I can remove the text at my discretion. The block log is sufficient for any user, and should someone really be interested in what happened to that IP, anyone can check the history of the talkpage.

However, to restore the {helpme} and {unblock} tags, not spending the time checking what you've restored and then spend ten minutes writing this "I am sooooo much better than you" comment on your talkpage is making me think that you are too zealous. You know that disrupting wikipedia {helpme} and {unblock} processes by maliciously placing these tags on someone else's talkpage should be considered vandalism? You even got someone to come and warn me about misusing {helpme}. Luckily, I didn't get blocked for your actions. I should place a warning on your talk page but I assume good faith and believe that you didn't want to do this. However, I will report you to AN/I and ask someone to calm you down in your zealousness. Greetings 85.70.5.66 06:40, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

They weren't warnings, but were clear indicators of questionable goings-on. Commander Keane's edit wasn't a warning, just a comment. I didn't tell anyone to go to your talk page. I've asked, and there appears to be no clear rule against me doing those reverts, as long as I don't exceed three. Some people did advise against it, after I followed the okay of the first post in my query to Village pump (policy). I won't bother reverting again, at any rate, and thanks for going the extra mile and archiving your talk page. Sorry if you're feeling cornered; I'll back off.

Regarding {{helpme}} and {{unblock}}, those were my fault, and I wasn't really thinking about it, but the person who replied afterwards didn't seem too troubled about it, and was just addressing some of your comments. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 06:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

OK, sorry, I already posted on AN/I because I thought you are gonna revert again, I will strike it out though. 85.70.5.66

I would rather you leave it. Maybe you're right about me being overzealous. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 06:57, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Crossposted from WP:ANI:

• Omicronpersei8 is actually being noble. Omi asked for advice at the Village Pump to which I responded, and I believe the actions taken were based on my advice. To the best of my knowledge Omicronpersei8's hasn't actually violated any policy, or even guideline. --Doc Tropics ^{Message in a bottle} 07:14, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I guess the moral of this story is: Free advice is worth exactly what you pay for it :) I'm pleased that things worked out well. Kudos to you both. --Doc Tropics ^{Message in a bottle} 07:16, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the defense. I should probably have waited and deliberated longer before doing the edit. You certainly aren't implicit in any errors I've made here. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 07:18, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Quick Review

Hi Omi, I just pulled up your stats using Intertiot/Tool2 and quickly perused your contribs. I think your contributions and conduct fairly scream "Admin material!" and I'll be looking forward to voting "Support" on your RfA a few months from now :) --Doc Tropics ^{Message in a bottle} 07:51, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

You are a swell guy/gal for saying that. I think I've proven I really need to review site guidelines quite a bit more before even thinking about something like that, though. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 07:53, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm a guy, and I often assume other editors are male unless some subtle clue (like the name "Linda123") suggests otherwise. As for the things you need to learn, that will come with time and it won't take long. Keep in mind that it's almost impossible to interact in this community without occassionaly getting involved in some minor controversy from time to time. The important part is how you handle yourself when the feces is hitting the fan. BTW - I actually had a somewhat similar incident recently: I had asked advice from an Admin with over 10K edits, and then I followed it. But another editor made a minor fuss so I reverted myself, we talked it over, and then we managed to reach a good consensus. It was definitely a learning experience, and I suspect you feel the same. Keep up the good work, and I hope to see you around :) --Doc Tropics ^{Message in a bottle} 08:20, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

For diligence in fighting vandalism across Wikipedia, I award you the RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar. Thank you! Johntex

RE: User:216.55.235.57

Whenever you have to revert an edit like what you had to do at article Omarosa Manigault, you should let the vandalizer know that vandalism isn't allowed so that the IP Anon would know that you would not tolerate it again. Just my 2 cents. — The Evil in Everyone (U * T/R * CTD) 22:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC) P.S. Generally in situations like this, it's best to act anonymously to the vandalizer to protect your reputation.

I usually give a leeway of two or three vandalisms before a warning, but thanks for the input. And why should I hide my identity? -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 22:02, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

The reason why I recommended hiding your identity is because generally, whenever it's a vandal, it's to prevent the vandal from getting revenge against you.

In other words, I usually fight vandalism harshly, but should I just give the Vandalizer some chances to clean up before action needs to be taken? In addition, I usually use the {{test1}} template for the first revert so that people can actually be aware that the sandbox is the place to do all of their tests.

But if you know how to combat vandalism, then I won't debate any longer, since I'm pretty sure you know what to do. — The Evil in Everyone (U * T/R * CTD) 22:06, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

pssst...

You might want to archive your talk page. It is getting a bit long. If you need help, I can show you how. Thanks. Heavy Metal Cellist^talk_contribs

I will probably do that at the end of this month. That cool with you? -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 22:32, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Nevermind, I'll do it now. I'm getting messages more rapidly than I had anticipated. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 06:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

'nother Barnstar

The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar My first patrol and I see your name all over the place, figured you should have one more of these. Kedi the tramp 22:52, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Hehe...

Thanks. I had it put in the front page, but then moved it in here after seeing that you keep these in here.

It's been fun to wander through Lupin's Recent IP Edits, got busted 12 dudes on first patrol. Either I'm fast... or just have way too much time on my hands. ;P

Thanks and I'll keep in my mind if I ever need anything. Good luck with those punks! Kedi the tramp 23:10, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

User should be deleted

User Andrewia frequently vandalizes under other IP's and even vandalized my own page.

He should be deleted from Wikipedia —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 216.233.172.247 (talk • contribs) 03:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

All I know is that I'm seeing two people doing what looks like user page vandalism and I feel like I should intervene. If you have a problem with that person, take it to somewhere like WP:AN. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 03:39, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Are you Alegoo92? -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 03:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Alegoo92?

Well yes, my sons use that predominantly, but I may occasionally use it also. --216.233.172.247 04:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, well, I reverted the vandalism to that user page. I don't really understand what was going on between Alegoo92 and Andrewia, but it appears to have stopped. If I see what looks like vandalism to said user pages, I will likely revert them again unless I recognize the IP, so it may be best to log in while editing your user page. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 04:03, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I warned Andrewia and according to him, he was joking. [2] - Gogo Dodo 04:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

It's just so hard to tell sometimes. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 04:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

No worries. I reacted the same way you did. -- Gogo Dodo 04:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

And thanks for the heads up, by the way. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 04:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Wake Forest Student Government Picture

What was wrong with the picture??? I didn't steal it from anyone. It was an original photo. No vandalism whatsoever. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 161.253.53.127 (talk • contribs) 04:09, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

What happened was you accidentally put "thum" by itself on a line and I clicked the rollback button to remove it. I never expected vandalism or copyright infringement from you -- I was just trying to get that little error out of the way. This machine is slow, so when the rollback finally happened, it also overwrote your newer edit. However, it doesn't appear to have removed the image. Am I wrong about that?

Sorry for the confusion. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 04:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Okay, now I see what happened. The reversion went back to your previous edit, that had the JPG extension of the file in lowercase, which was an invalid link. My bad. I plead "mechanical failure". -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 04:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Bittorrent Trackers

I started adding a list of tracker scripts to the page and the sections were deleted. It would be one thing if I was adding a list of trackers, but as these are scripts to start a tracker, there is no reason to remove these. Please keep this in mind as I change the names to include the word "scripts". Also, I changed the word "indexes" to "indexers", as it is... wrong. Index reflects function, indexer reflects purpose. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.18.53.172 (talk • contribs) 04:45, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I realize now that you are adding the titles of software trackers, but at first I thought you were going to list public tracker sites. That was my misunderstanding, but it's really a better idea to initialize a section with content, not placeholder messages. At any rate, as I said in my edit comment, I was only going to revert your edit once and then step back. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 04:48, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Link for reader reference. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 04:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. --expert01 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.18.53.172 (talk • contribs) 05:54, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar!

The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar I award you this Barnstar in recognition of the tireless efforts you put in to patrol the Recent Changes. People like you keep Wikipedia prestine, and that's the way I like it. Keep the good work up! Killfest2 06:45, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Speedying a prodded page

If you want to speedy-delete a prodded page (like Kitten Huffing), please leave the prod tag there (so the page has both a prod and a speedy tag). That way, if the speedy-delete fails, the prod is still there. --ais523 09:38, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I'll replace it, but my train of thought is that there's no way it'll not be speedied, unless this is some big joke I'm not in on (and I think that's the case). If you noticed, I SD'd it and an admin removed it claiming it wasn't nonsense, switching to {{prod}}. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 09:40, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Did you notice that the redlink Category:Inside jokes was added at the bottom? This is a well-known Uncyclopedia article; like Kitten huffing, it should probably simply be a redirect to Uncyclopedia. However, given the page history, it seems unlikely that that'll happen for the time being; if it's still like that in a few days, AfD might be needed to kill it. --ais523 09:43, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I figured as much; thanks for letting me in on it. Now I only feel halfway stupid! -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 09:45, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I've just marked it copyvio. Luckily, Uncyclopedia seems to be on a non-commercial licence... --ais523 09:49, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

AOL vandalbot

Hi. I range blocked for another 12 hours (comes back immediately after the block). Cheers TigerShark 09:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Excellent. Thank you. I don't suppose there's anything that can really be done except range blocking. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 09:57, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Why did you remove my changes?

Because you're a racist troll. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 12:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Do not edit or remove my postings. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.133.207.244 (talk • contribs) 11:35, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

No. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 12:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Dear Omicronpersei8: Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 13:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

But ...! Sorry. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 13:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

oh shush

I'll say what I want and to whom, that's free speech. Go look up a principal of America and the Internet and stop trying to censor others. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.133.207.244 (talk • contribs) 19:50, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

You just don't like the message because your are ignorant

Please see my comments to TigerShark, they apply to you as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.133.207.244 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

The irony of what you just used as a heading really made me giggle. Also, I have referred you to WP:AIV. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 19:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

hey

sorry but that piece of information on wikipedia is a lie. it should be taken off, it is absolutely a ridiculous attempt at degrading a religion based on opinions and false premises. please take it off and leave it off as it has no place in the pokemon wiki.

if i started saying that dogs are evil creatures from mars would that be enough to have an entry on wikipedia saying "man claims dogs are evil creatures from mars" no right? so why should a few whackjobs making far out claims about a cartoon get put on that wiki? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.176.251.56 (talk • contribs) 01:53, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I won't argue whether that section should be removed or not, but you need to justify your removal of it with at least an edit comment. Otherwise, I can't tell if it's a case of vandalism or not. In this case, however, it seems a discussion on the talk page would be in order, if you haven't participated in one already. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 15:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

And please -- this isn't the way to get your point across. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 15:16, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

"Edit War"

It's fine. :) I have such a range of different articles on my watchlist but pages like that are major copyright problems, since it's a pain to get pictures within the GFDL. I hope everything goes fine with you, and I am certain our paths will cross again. Thanks! Yanksox 23:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Egg Snake

This page is about a little known culteral aspect of west coast tradition. Several coastal regions in British Columbia continue to keep the tradition alive by offering the egg snake in thier establishment's menu, and serve it in the same style as it once was served by the merchant sailers. If you have a problem with the writing of the page, please feel free to edit it. However, do not assume that it is immdeiatly a hoax. For example, there are many different animals in existance that lay eggs edible for human consumption; this statement was simply for clarification. (Charlieandeddie 23:15, 11 July 2006 (UTC))

You should argue this on the AfD page. Also, if you can provide some links or sources supporting the subject's existence and/or popularity, I'd be happy to vouch for you and try to get the deletion discussion closed. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 23:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Regarding my "egg comment" -- you're right. I don't know why I thought that sentence was so ridiculous when I saw it; I guess I just wasn't thinking straight. I have noted this as well as the gist of my last comment on the AfD page. Still, Google doesn't give me too many relevant results when I search for "egg snake", and I am still a bit skeptical about this being a popular form of food rather than a very localized tradition. If we can get past that question, I will consider your article solid. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 23:26, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

RE: Egg Snake

The tradition of the Egg snake has been enjoyed and continued on many establishments on the west coast, including, but not limited to, the South Western Coast of British Columbia. The page Egg Snake is an over-due attempt to bring light to this lesser-known West Coast marine history. Many coastal American establishments from Northern California and Oregon, including my own, still serve the traditional Egg Snake on the menu. The area's thriving most from Egg Snake popularity again seem to be located on the South Western Coast of British Columbia.

The Egg Snake is very much so a real and current standing piece of West Coast heritage. Although not well known, it is my intent through this page to educate marine history enthusiasts to some of the finer points of history on the West Coast. Noting that it is in-fact a relatively unknown piece of history, I failed to realize that Google is a reliable generator of credible sources and in the duty of determining fact from fiction. If this were the case, my very own restaurant from which I work daily (which has Egg Snake on the menu), would not exist according to Google.

My Goal is simple: To educate marine history enthusiasts to some of the finer points of history on the West Coast. I wish to know what verification is needed in order for the page Egg Snake to stand. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Charlieandeddie (talk • contribs) 02:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

I see that you have crossposted this from the AfD page. Honestly, I wouldn't worry too much, as no one is opposing keeping your article (including myself at this point). I'm not totally sure of the notability of the subject, but I don't mind if it stays if no one else does. I hope I haven't discouraged you from editing -- I've just been trying to "tidy the house" a bit; I hope you can understand. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 03:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

No problem mate, thats your job. thank you for your interest in the pacific tradition of the egg snake, and hope you yourself get the oppritunity to enjoy an authentic plate in the future. (Charlieandeddie 06:17, 13 July 2006 (UTC))

The precise definition of race is under dispute..

I wrote this to help spread understanding, please make sure to read the definitions of outcrossing on the link.

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There is a lot of misunderstanding of genetics and further there is a lot of misinformation that people spread because they WANT you to think that there is no difference between peoples for a political or social agenda, that does not make it so. Humans share 98% of our genetic code with Chimpanzees, yet that 2% defines our differences and is important as is the difference in the human population, no matter how small the difference.

There are obviously differences in the expressed traits between Asian, African and Caucasian. These are different types of humans, if you choose to call the a race/breed or type it's up to you and it's immaterial. My argument has always been that racial diversity should be preserved which is a more neutral position rather than promoting that race mixing and interbreeding is somehow positive.

You and many people that listen to pop culture may think that by interbreeding you are helping humanity and there are lots of myths about how you will create better offspring; offspring that have the best of both parents. This is just a myth told by people who, are trying to say that people are equal, if different. Yes, people are people as Americans we believe that all people have certain inalienable rights but the best position for humanity is for each of the races to exist, separately to be the best we can. If you truly understand the advantages that diversity offers you will agree too.

I personally breed horses. And this is where I'll start telling you a story: the Thoroughbred horse started out as a mixed race horse. It was based on Arab stock and was bred only for speed for many generations, regardless of breed, the horse that ran the race the fastest was bred to other fast horses. The Thoroughbred breeding book is now closed, which means you cannot breed a Thoroughbred to any other breed, because, ANY cross you make outside of the gene pool will reduce the speed of the horse. This is called line breeding, please read this article as a basic "learn to breed" guideline: http://www.learntobreed.com/linebreeding.html. Line breeding(inbreeding) is a useful technique as is outcrossing when advantagous to produce quality results, random mixing is like a child finger-painting and does nothing positive.

What Wikipedia has been proposing is that random interbreeding is potentially a good idea and should be treated as potentially positive. Any person who knows about breeding animals will disagree, it's very unlikely that race mixing will result in a positive result unless it was planned for by a geneticist. When you cited the plant hybridization, that's what you were doing citing a hybrid that was designed in a laboratory and there were not human beings or living animals as a result of a genetic mistake. You can't through bad human crosses in the trash like you can with corn.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.133.207.244 (talk • contribs) 11:04, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:No original research. Q.E.D. Daniel.Bryant (aka Killfest2) 11:13, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Please stop harassing me with your nonsense. -- Omicronpersei8 (talk) 14:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

User 193.82.98.8

This user has started vandalising again,

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Matrix_Reloaded&curid=123417&diff=63563974&oldid=63563652

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Matrix_series&curid=376228&diff=63563196&oldid=63563116 Konman72 07:55, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks. I couldn't figure out how to do it.You're quick! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Esmelk (talk • contribs) 17:09, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

The Opposition - relevant

they must be on some importance seeing they are an English band with a Netherlands website who features the information in French:

Ils sont ANGLAIS - banlieue Sud de Londres -, JEUNES - avec un passé pourtant déjà bien rempli - et PLEIN D'AVENIR. Ils sortent leur premier 33t. en exclusivité mondiale chez DISC'AZ le 23 septembre 1981. Ils s'appellent "OPPOSITION". Opposition, créé en 1979, s'est vite fait remarquer par sa musique étrange et tortueuse, ses nappes sonores entrecoupées de déchirures, où flotte la voix du chanteur Mark Long. Ce trio composé également de Marcus Bell (basse et claviers) et de Ralph Hall (batterie) a choisi la France comme base de départ. C'était juste au virage des années 80, lorsque que les jeunes gens modernes ont soudain supplanté la punkitude ambiante en surfant sur leur new wave triomphante. Simple Minds et Cure ont déjà 4 LP à leur actif, Ultravox et ses synthés gelés chantent "Vienna" tandis que Police explose avec "Regatta De Blanc". La nouvelle vague déferle sur nos plages musicales avec les premiers LP de groupes inconnus comme "Closer" de Joy Division, "Boy" de U2... ou "Breaking The Silence" de The Opposition qui partagent le même sens tragique du spleen incandescent et de l'urgence. Des années punk agitées, ils en ont conservé ce sens inné de la révolte.

The Opposition affirme leur choix patronymique en refusant les contrats que les majors agitent sous leur nez. Au nom de l' auto-gestion, ils montent leur propre label Double Vision et avec la complicité d'un jeune chien fou ingénieur du son, Kenny Jones, le groupe finance l'enregistrement d'un album d'une totale intensité sombre, rare et tenace. The Opposition déchire notre silence hexagonal de son "Breaking The Silence". Du Gibus a Paris aux Transmusicales de Rennes en passant par des dizaines de villes et de villages avec leur rock en clair obscur, The Opposition se taille une légende franco-française comme avant eux tes Doits, le Velvet. Un on plus tard et toujours sur AZ sort "Intimacy" enregistré aux studios Matrix de Londres. En France, les tournées drainent de plus en plus de fans séduits par leur cocktail inédit de reggae/new wave à la croisée des chemins de Police, Cure et U2. Charisma, le famous label British de Genesis coopte enfin "Intimacy" qui sort en Angleterre. L'album a un succès certain chez nous mois faute de support, c'est un flop chez les anglais. Deux ans plus tard, en 84 parait Promises" sur Charisma. Première sortie mondiale et première aventure aux Etats-Unis. "Empire Days", le quatrième LP millésimé 85, énergétique en diable avec ses plages climatiques comme le vibrant "Five Minutes" ou l' enlètant "First Suspect" est sans doute le plus abouti.

Trois ans plus tard, Mark Long et Marcus Bell ressurgissent sur Manhattan/EMI sous le pseudo de SO. Leur single "Are You Sure" dans le top 30 des charts US, plébiscité par MTV qui en fait son clip of the week téléporte l'album dam les charts US. Le chanteur/guitariste et le bassiste/clavier reforment Opposition en 90 pour l'intimiste "Blue Alice Blue" enregistré dans le même esprit que le premier LP avec le fidèle Kenny Jones. Et cette année 94 voit la sortie du sixième épisode des aventures d'Opposition avec Ie CD "War Begins At Home" produit par e Marcus et mixé par l'incontournable Kenny. Avec son intro clin d'oeil aux Fab Four pour la légende, avec sa pop satiné façon new âge ascensionnelle et la fusion techno exotique de la fièvre raï de Khaled, Opposition a toute les couleurs d'un succès de très longue date mérite. Single évanescent, dont les séquences échoppent à l'attraction terrestre, "Hold Me Tonight" annonce le retour des années d'Opposition.