Talk:Soyuz at the Guiana Space Centre

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The result of the move request was: Page not moved: no consensus Ground Zero | t 02:11, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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Soyuz at the Guiana Space Centre → Soyuz-ST – There is absolutely no reason to use a made-up, descriptive, name when a real one exists and is unambiguous. --W. D. Graham 05:46, 28 August 2014 (UTC) W. D. Graham 05:46, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

I couldn't find any confirmation that ST is specifically variant launched from French Guiana. Plenty of sources refer to Soyuz 2.1a and 2.1b as a Soyuz ST - so this would mean that ST and Arianespace Soyuz are two different things as we know that both: 2.1a and 2.1b are launched from Plesetsk Cosmodrome (even the first launch of 2.1b was from Plesetsk¹), on the other hand while working on the article I stumbled upon some sources that mentioned Plesetsk and Baikonur-launched Soyuz 2.1b with ST fairing (eg. here). And finally: the title of this article is not "made up" - it's the official name of a programme as indicated in the sources. It also happens that russian version of the article follows identical naming convention and covers the same topic (just found it today). SkywalkerPL (talk) 17:46, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

"Soyuz at the Guiana Space Center" is the official name of the project and certainly not made up.¹² Keep the article here with a focus on the Soyuz at CSG project and leave the Soyuz-ST page for the launch vehicle itself.A(Ch) 04:51, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

For the record, the Soyuz-ST and the ST-type fairing are not the same thing. --W. D. Graham 19:24, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

Of course not. Noone said that a fairing and a spacecraft are the same thing. If you're trying to say that Soyuz 2.1b with ST fairing and Soyuz STB are not the same thing - I couldn't find any reliable source confirming that beyond shadow of a doubt so that it'd fulfil the Wikipedia standards of sourcing. I actually started writing this article as "Soyuz ST-B" then switched to "Soyuz ST" (in order to include 2 launches of ST-A variants - there's no point in writing article for rocket that launched twice and just as well could be described with ST-B variant) and then gave up in my search, switching to much safer topic, the programme itself. I would actually prefer this article to focus on a rocket instead of a programme but way too many sources use 2.1b/ST / 2.1b with ST fairing / ST-B in a fully interchangeable manner (actually - some sources even seem to mix 2.1b (no suffix) with ST-B - which is rather silly).

If you can provide sources proving beyond shadow of a doubt that 2.1b with ST fairing and 2.1b/ST are two different rockets while 2.1b/ST and ST-B is the same one - you should first update the Soyuz-2 (rocket) article to clarify the distinction and then we can discuss renaming this one. SkywalkerPL (talk) 09:26, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

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Wrong time in 'Booster Separation' timeline entry?

The typical launch timeline shows that booster separation occurs at T + 4m:47s. This is incoherent with all of the events before and after it. Someone with a proper source should double-check and correct that.