Talk:The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory

suge shot me

T fut shot me

the article says this: In the first few seconds of the song "Intro/Bomb First (My Second Reply)" on the album The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory, Shakur can be heard saying "Shoulda shot me".[42][43] Many theorists mistook the statement as "Suge shot me" or "Suge shot 'em" until confirmation by multiple audio tests and confirmation from members of The Outlawz.

I read the philadelphia weekly, and it does not say anything about the song. In addition, the other citiation, the mtv big urban myths cannotbe founded.

It seems to me that khadfi said "suge shot me" at the beginning of the song. The shoulda shot me just does not make logical sense since people did shoot him.

Where is the source for this multiple audio tests?

It was on MTV awhile back. You yourself can even slow down the audio and clearly hear it. It's "Shoulda shot me". License2Kill 17:31, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

People I found the references for the article where it says "one of the timeless classics". But I don't know how to put the reference correctly.... I put ok, but I need someone to do it correctly. It is the reference number 10. Someone please fix this. - Spanja101

Actually, it wasn't "Suge shot me", it was "Suge shot him". But anyway - it's not true. Here's an explanation of this phenomena by one of Makaveli studio engineers, who worked on that record: youtube.com/watch?v=lTLYg0cPWJA — Preceding unsigned comment added by ExT1m (talk • contribs) 23:13, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Was it finished before his death

It took 3 days for him to write and record the lyrics and another 4 days for producing. This was all done during the month of August. License2Kill 01:28, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

The album was written and recorded in 3 days and the producing and mixing was done in the next four days. It doesn't matter whether you "buy it" or not, the producers of the album were their and confirmed this. It is a known fact. For example, the album came out November 5th, 1996 that is a known fact whether someone would "buy it" or not. License2Kill 18:47, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

I believe the producers had every reason to claim this. Comparing it to a verifiable fact like a release date makes no sense. Fact is that there were almost two months between release an the death of Shakur. I seriously doubt nobody worked on finishing that album in those two months. It's just common sense. I believe the seven days story is hype.

It doesn't matter, there is a fine line between fact and your opinion. Albums have to be finalized a few months before the release date License2Kill

Is there a link to cite that the producers confirmed this? I work in the music industry, and have heard this as well, however tell an engineer that and he will laugh, its not possible. If you are talking about having no song concepts, no riffs, no lyrics, no song structures...nothing at all, then 7 days later a completed album finished to commercial standards then i don't what to say. My guess is, there was some preparation then they did the bulk of it in 7 days. and234jkohsn

It's a well known fact Tupac would record 3-5 tracks a day. License2Kill 20:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

At the risk of repeating myself, is there a link to cite that the producers confirmed this? Recording tracks is one thing, but alot of preparation goes into creating the music, mixing, mastering, re-recording parts once the artist has left. I'm just saying that i'm sure he recorded all that he had to do in that time, but i doubt the entire project was completed in that time frame. and234jkohsn.

It's a well known fact, refer to the October 2003 issue of XXL Magazine. The entire project was finished in 7 days, it took 3 days for Tupac to write and record the lyrics and it was mixed down in the remaining 4 days. License2Kill 20:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Sales

did he really sell 28 million records world wide

As of 1998, yes. License2Kill 04:05, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

No it didnt. That is a true legal document, but an untrue statement. Haitian Jack said that to make his "defamation of character" inflated to so many people. Michael Jackson's Thriller album is the highest worldwide selling album ever at 25.7 million, anyway.

thats true and thriller sold more than 75 mio. world wide and also in usa more than 50 mio., u can read it also in many books, so i put it back in......just look at the most selling labums world wide thriller from michael jackson is stated at no.1 with 100 mio. so i think u aint informed enough....anyway in a pac docu it's said that also in the end of 1999 the album had sold world wide 20 mio...... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.225.112.236 (talk) 12:39, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

There's no official confirmation by a record company or any reliable source that the album has really sold 28 million records. So stop putting it up on the page WITHOUT SOURCES. This isn't a place for fanboys telling stories.

• I agree with everyone else on here that disagrees with this rediculous claim of The 7 Day Theory selling 28 million copies (a few times people have put on here that it's sold 150 million.) People will keep putting this nonsense claim up 'til the bitter end, and yet they don't have any RELIABLE sources to back this up (sorry but movie websites, Jacques, and low budget documentaries are not reliable sources for record sales.) If you want to claim record sales than go right ahead, but do so with reliable sources to back it up. I love 2Pac, and I love this album, which is why it's bothersome when people carelessly put rummors up, and not FACTS.--76.17.200.34 (talk) 00:52, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

This Guy has alot of lies on this page. He tells you enough truth to make his lies sound good.

Long comment

Where is the evidence that 2pac said "shoulda shot me" and not "suge shot me" at the beginning of the album? Where is the citation? Where is the proof that that is even him, I read somewhere that someone else added it after 'Pac's death. There needs to be a citation or a rewrite of the section on what is said at the opening of the album.

Dispute

An admin agreed with the inclusion months ago License2Kill 23:47, 20 March 2007 (UTC) I PERSONALLY BELIEVE HE IS STILL ALIVE. I HAVE MY OWN BELIEF'S AND HAVE DONE MY OWN RESEARCH AND THIS IS HOW I FEEL AND WHAT I THINK. IT WON'T CHANGE. I AM A BELIEVER OF GOD AND HIS SON JESUS AND I JUST KNOW PAC IS STILL HERE. I FEEL THAT THE GANGS AND LIFE IN GENERAL HAD GOTTEN TO BE TOO MUCH FOR HIM AND ALL OF THIS WAS EITHER A SET UP OR IT HAPPENED FOR REAL, BUT HE WAS EXPECTING IT AND HE STILL PLAYED IT OFF AND, HE'S IN HIDING. I THINK M.J STILL ALIVE TOO. SO GO WITH THE FLOW AND WHAT YOU REALLY KNOW. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.28.220.84 (talk) 22:25, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Tracklist/Tracks Recorded Within The 7 Days

Is it possible to add a section, with the tracks that was record over the three days, but didn't make it onto the album. I know about 4 out of 8, I wouldn't add this section without first asking other fans opinions.

what are the 4 that you know?

1. Letter To The President
2. You Dont Have To Worry
3. Lost Souls
4. Soon As I Get Home
5. Nigga Nature
6. Friends
7. Tear Drops And Closed Caskets
8. High Speed

-ODIII - Confirmed the first seven track in an interview, The did not feature on the album as they didn't fit the mood, However it was said certain tracks where going to replace others.

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To the Tupac Stanclub

STOP PUTTING THAT MAKAVELI HAS SOLD 28 MILLION!!! IT HAS NOT, I REPEAT, HAS NOT SOLD 28 MILLION!!! THERE WAS A REASON WHY JACQUES (HATIAN JACK) AGNANT'S LAWSUIT WAS THROWN OUT, BEACAUSE IT WAS FULL OFLIES..THE SAME LIES YOU GUYS USE AS "EVIDENCE"!!! AND FOR GOD'S SAKE WILL YOU STOP SAYING THAT HIS SALES "COULD BE" HIGHER BECAUSE THEY DONT UPDATE HIS SALES?!? THERE ARE PLENTY OF ARTISTS WHO DONT HAVE THERE SALES UP DATE AND EVEN IF THEY DO, THE DIFFERENCE IS A COUPLE OF THOUSAND, NOT 10+ MILLION!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.64.16.124 (talk) 22:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

RE:looool, it also stated in a pac docu that this album has sold so many copies outside the us, and that it is shakurs most selling album world wide, and by the way it was statet in 1998 that it has sold more than 16 mio. copies world wide......so give a proof that is up to date...

Killuminati

someone keeps adding the following to the article:

Tupac obviously believed in this and publicly took his stand against it, as did Martin Luther King, they both died for doing so, now is this coincidence, or the fact that the Illuminati do really rule the world? If we but all the meanings together in English we see that, The meaning of Tupac's album title is, "Tupac: THE LEADER OF KILLERS OF THE ILLUMINATI" So this clearly means that Tupac thought of himself as been the leader of the Killuminati cult, against white dominance, not racist, but to give all people a fair stab at life and not be blinded by what the Illuminati, rulers and government tell us. I leave it for you to dwell on, visit the links below for full info, as I've only scratched the surface.

Please keep this conspiracy theory shit out of wikipedia. if this is inserted again I would request that the article be blocked from editing by anonymous users. --Black Butterfly 09:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

really this article has a lot of strange things surrounding it, and the album itself, but no need to be blocked IMO--BubbleBabis (talk) 13:23, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

number of copies sold?

Hello, the contributions of 164.116.126.254 are all vandalism, only with this one I'm not shure – can anybody check this via RIAA? I've reverted it now to four millions. --Cyfal 19:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

The album has sold seven million US copies, but is only 4x platinum, since Death Row never bothered to apply for a new certification. east.718 at 02:21, 10/25/2007

Ok, then I change it to seven millions again. Thank you for your quick respond. --Cyfal 17:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

28 Million worldwide??!!! How is that even possible considering it sold 4 million in the U.S. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 169.237.5.60 (talk) 00:19, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

It's not a 7 million is the us or at 28 million worldwide. The person is correct that it's likely more than 4,000,000 but it's not 3,000,000 more. This should seriously be fixed or took out. A credited magazene like XXL would not make a mistake like that. I believe that source was for something else and somebody just inflated the numbers and used that source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SAUspartan (talk • contribs) 17:34, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Conspiracy theories

While the current (or rather, most recent, the section having been removed) conspiracy theory section was inadequate and unsourced, I do feel the theories should be described. The "Tupac is alive" theory was/is popular for some time, and a number of the ideas backing it up were based on this album (see http://www.ewsonline.com/2pac/alive.html for example). --Black Butterfly 11:19, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Besides being unencyclopedic nonsense, the conspiracy theories violate several core policies, such as original research, verifiability, usage of reliable sources, and undue weight (the conspiracies have nothing to do with the album). The content has already been deemed unfit for an article. east.718 at 12:00, 10/29/2007

While I do agree that the conspiracy theories should not be given undue weight, surely the fact that three of the top ten Google hits for "7 day theory" should be some indicator that the conspiracy theories around the album are somewhat notable. Similarly, 2Pac Lives The Death of Makaveli / The Resurrection of Tupac Amaru (Volume 1) puts a lot of its focus on this album.

The problem I had with the content as-was is that it presented some of the theories as fact (or of contested veracity) and did not cite its references. However, I do feel they should be mentioned. --Black Butterfly 11:54, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Killuminati

Could you please tell me what The Don Killuminati means then because you don't have no information on the concept. But you seem to have alot about the concept of Makaveli, and the 7 day theory but not one thing about The Don Killuminati like it's not even in the title of the album. Could you please explain to me what it means or at least consider having some information about it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tester89 (talk • contribs) 22:00, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't think anyone really knows where the "Killuminati" comes from. It obviously refers to the Illuminati -- the secret society started in Bavaria in 1776 which many conspiracy theorists believe still acts as a powerful force today -- but it's unclear what he meant by it. Some conspiracy types interpreted it as being anti-Illuminati (i.e. he wanted to kill the power elite) but that makes no sense since there's nothing to back that up in the lyrics, and he's attacking other rappers, etc. not global conspirators.

I think he probably meant the "Killuminati" to refer to himself and associates (primarily the Outlawz) in reference to his "war" against his perceived enemies; i.e. making himself and friends seem like a group of unstoppable killers, since he was in "warrior" mode at the time the album was made. But it's all speculation, really, and any explanation in the article would likely be original research, since Tupac never explained it and I doubt he ever told anyone what it meant. ElijahReno (talk) 19:43, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I have done some research on Illuminati and i also listened to all of his albums and Tupac is not just dissing rappers he talks about conspiracy and how Illuminati is out to get him. He even says things like merciless thieves stole the best of me now am praying to black Jesus to please take the rest of me i don't know which song thats on but the quote Some say they expect Illuminati take my body to sleep Niggas at the party with they shotties Just as rowdy as me Before I flee computer chips I gotta deal wit brothas flippin I don't see no devils bleeding' Only black blood dripping and its off they don't give a fuck a song PAC did. Which now ex-plains his former affiliation with Illuminati and Illuminati is a satanic tribe which worshipers sacrifice there soul to in order to obtain the life of wealth and fame. The album The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory was made in order to warn to the young black society about the Illuminati and it's power to manipulate the mind.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Chancetosave (talk • contribs) 22:53, 2 November 2010

Hi Chancetosave, these are interesting opinions and research (I have formatted your comment a bit), but please note that we shouldn't write our own opinions and research into Wikipedia articles - see Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and Wikipedia:No original research. Basically, we only record notable opinions and observations that other people have published about the album, and cite the source when we do so. Regards, HaeB (talk) 01:19, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

In an interview Tupac talked about the meaning on the Don Killuminati. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Hm1ROmlEk —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.209.62.131 (talk) 16:14, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, this video explain's it all. A more extended version: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAmhM3ZMQEQ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tester89 (talk • contribs) 23:07, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Concept album?

Is this a concept album? If so, the article should make it more clear. Zazaban (talk) 23:01, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

In an interview Tupac talked about the meaning on the Don Killuminati. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Hm1ROmlEk

ARA RA HEIRI MERE ???? aranairi simon ! aranairi to !

What does that mean? ↑? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.11.250.4 (talk) 18:38, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Album Title

I believe the title of the album should be "Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory" as "The Don" is part of Tupac's Makaveli moniker. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.100.214.173 (talk) 06:33, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you! I've been telling people this for years but no one believes me. I think it's obvious it was meant to be put out under the name "Makaveli the Don" -- he even refers to himself as that on the album -- and the title "Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory" makes a lot more sense, although it's still quite cryptic.

I actually came to this talk page specifically to bring this up, thinking no one would have mentioned it. It obviously can't go into the article because there are no sources to back it up, but it's bothered me since the album came out. Although Tupac apparently had control over the artwork, name, etc. I think someone at Death Row misread what he'd written and titled it incorrectly. ElijahReno (talk) 19:29, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

I check back on this page every 4 months or so to see if anyone else has commented either way about this and am disappointed each time. If I had more experience editing wikis I'd probably just change it to spark debate. Maybe I'll write something on the internet somewhere explaining why the name of the album is "Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory" and then use that as outside research to which this article can link. 68.100.214.173 (talk) 10:48, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

I din't realise this when the album came out but over time it become obvious to me that the album was supposed to be called Makaveli The Don - Killuminati, The 7 Day Theory, it is so obvious. Tupac called himself Makaveli the Don on the album and various other songs and it just makes much more sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.138.15.141 (talk) 12:58, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

150 mil

150 million copies? That's bull. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.7.183 (talk) 02:53, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Anyone else think this album cover shares similiarties to Bob Marleys "Exodus". Beige background, red lettering. Tupac also had a tattoo on his back "Exodus" same font used in Bob Marley's Exodus album cover. Anyone know the artist? thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.63.109 (talk) 06:17, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

best-selling album in hip hop history? I sincerely doubt thats true. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.7.183 (talk) 20:10, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

this is one of the worst entrys that i have seen on wikipedia. It's entries like this that keep wikipedia from being a more legitimate source. The vandals just ruin everything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SAUspartan (talk • contribs) 17:39, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

7 day theory

look man, many fans in youtube upload videos and make comments with several rumours such as "the 7 day theory=6 september-13 september, the days Pac was in the hospital until his death, that he was shot at 11:14 p.m. (1+1+1+4=7), that he died in the seven day in the hospital at 4:03 (4+0+3=7), that he faked his death in Nevada, the state where its legal to show up 18 years after you fake death and 18 years=2014 (2+0+1+4=7) and Pac will "return" in 2014, that september 13th was the 257th day of 1996 (25=Pac's age, 7=the 7 day theory). I think we should seni-protect the page if anyone put those fake rumours on it, as we did to Tupac Shakur page--BubbleBabis (talk) 14:21, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Someone keeps censoring references to the Illuminati

It is evident that someone is trying to silence the true meaning behind Makaveli Killuminati 7 day theory, this paragraph keeps being removed by an unknown troll who needs to wake up to what they are doing, oppression. This should be in the paragraph as it is Fact, tupac talked openly after being realeased from prison on the illuminati issue, the fact you haven't seen the videos being mass broadcast on mainstream media is proof he was and still is being censored and thus the true reason he was shot. He was planning on running for office just before he was killed, he was planning on outing the illuminati, and trying to help people once he gained office, this can only be seen as the true reasons he was killed, a very loud and proud voice outing them for the scum they are nothing but leaches on humanity.

"The central theme of The Don Killuminati: The 7 Day Theory was the Illuminati. This is evident as he makes regards to "fleeing microchips", whereas the New World Order is sure to implement in the coming days. His warning to the people and his continuing to speak out about how the world is run by a few people, the Illuminati, and the inhumane things they had been and still are doing to people, this coupled with his massive fan base and potential to reach even more millions with this news is the reason he was shot and killed." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.97.154.37 (talk) 11:45, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Please have a look at Wikipedia:Verifiability and Wikipedia:No original research. Are there any reliable sources supporting your claim that 2Pac has been killed by or on behalf of the Illuminati?

Regards, HaeB (talk) 15:03, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

2pac did not believe in the illuminati, there are plenty of interviews with him stating that, kill-illuminati, in an interview he stated kill all that illuminati bs, he nemed the album that to kill the rumors of illuminati. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.3.147.27 (talk) 11:16, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Article contradicts itself in the very first paragraph

The article says:

"The album was certified 3x platinum in April 1997 and then 4x Platinum on June 15, 1999.[16] It had sold 3,911,787 copies in the United States by 2004.[17]"

Notice it says it was certified 4X Platinum in 1999. Platinum is 1 million sales. 4x platinum is, you guessed it, 4 million. Yet in the next sentence, it says the album had only sold 3.911 million by 2004. So, half a decade after it supposedly passed 4 million in sales, it still hadn't passed 4 million in sales?!?! Sorry, that just broke my brain. Obviously one of these figures is wrong. Or one of the figures is for international sales and the other national. Whatever. Fix the article, it sounds moronic as it is. Leecharleswalker (talk) 10:05, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

AGREED... it makes no sense — Preceding unsigned comment added by Df2397 (talk • contribs) 12:49, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

The RIAA certifies albums based on shipments, not sales. So 4x makes perfect sense. STATic message me! 15:32, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

this page is badly set up

it seems that most info is the the first section it should be like this

Commercial performance

The album peaked at number one on the Billboard Top R&B/Hip-Hop Albums chart and the Billboard 200, also making Shakur the second artist to have a number-one album while deceased ever since 1995 when Latin-pop singer, Selena posthumously released Dreaming of You, which also peaked at number one on the Billboard 200 as well.[15] The album generated the second-highest debut-week sales total of any album that year,[16] selling 664,000 within its first week in stores. The album was certified 3x platinum in April 1997 and then 4x Platinum on June 15, 1999.[17] It had sold 3,911,787 copies in the United States by 2011.[18] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Df2397 (talk • contribs) 13:36, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Reception

The Reception section is very POV and informal. Reads like a fan review.

- Elliot Ridgewell — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.204.111.61 (talk) 09:06, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

neutral POV?

"1996 robbed us of his physical presence, but his spirit lived on through the music and still haunts us to this very day"

This article contains passages that have been copied and pasted from elsewhere. not only are claims unsubstantiated but POV/tone is not neutral — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.79.143.139 (talk) 07:08, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

7 day theory

there's an important aspect of the theory that has not been mentioned yet (at least i dont think so). there should be plenty of sources since it is true. Tupac's album title 7 day theory, while referring tot he 3 days it took him to record it and 4 days of mixing, ALSO refers to in religious terms the 6 days it took god to create the world and the fact he rests on the 7th (i.e. 7 day theory)