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{{AFC comment|1=Just a few comments. You should never embed external links to third party websites directly into articles like like you've done for "AAA two man rating","John Shaw", "Don Hanley", "Jeff Menzel" and "Mandy Bible" per [[:Wikipedia:Citing sources#Avoid embedded links]]. If these subjects have their own Wikipedia articles, then use [[:Help:Link#Wikilinks]] instead. If they don't have their own Wikipedia articles, then you can use [[:Wikipedia:Inline citation|inline citations]] to verify the connection between the two. This connection, however, should be quite clear in the source per [[:Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources#Context matters]]. Just for reference, notability on Wikipedia is [[:WP:NOTINHERITED|not inherited]]. The fact that Lee is associated with individuals or events which have been deemed to satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements does not automatically mean Lee also satisfies those requirements. Lee's notability needs to be established independently of everything else so adding links to websites or online player profile pages, such as {{url|http://www.cbva.com/faq.aspx}} and {{url|http://www.teamusa.org/athletes/me/jeff-menzel}}, which make no mention of Lee at all or only a trivial mention at best are not considered the [[:WP:SIGCOV|significant coverage]] needed to help establish Lee's notability. As for specific notability requirements related to volleyball, try posting at [[:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Volleyball]] and ask for help there. That's the [[:WP:PJ|WikiProject]] for Volleyball. Someone there may know of Lee and also possibly where to find more sources. Good luck. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 00:45, 6 December 2015 (UTC)}}
<!-- Marchjuly - Thank you for the helpful feedback. I'll remove the external links as you recommend, and also check out the Project Volleyball page. I believe Lee's notoriety is justified by 1) professional status (U.S. and Spain), which I've documented; college All-American status; journalism (magazine and television) and, probably most significantly, coaching influence. My listing of Todd Rogers et al is meant to show how many world-class athletes he's coached and mentored. -->{{AFC comment|1=Just a few comments. You should never embed external links to third party websites directly into articles like like you've done for "AAA two man rating","John Shaw", "Don Hanley", "Jeff Menzel" and "Mandy Bible" per [[:Wikipedia:Citing sources#Avoid embedded links]]. If these subjects have their own Wikipedia articles, then use [[:Help:Link#Wikilinks]] instead. If they don't have their own Wikipedia articles, then you can use [[:Wikipedia:Inline citation|inline citations]] to verify the connection between the two. This connection, however, should be quite clear in the source per [[:Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources#Context matters]]. Just for reference, notability on Wikipedia is [[:WP:NOTINHERITED|not inherited]]. The fact that Lee is associated with individuals or events which have been deemed to satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements does not automatically mean Lee also satisfies those requirements. Lee's notability needs to be established independently of everything else so adding links to websites or online player profile pages, such as {{url|http://www.cbva.com/faq.aspx}} and {{url|http://www.teamusa.org/athletes/me/jeff-menzel}}, which make no mention of Lee at all or only a trivial mention at best are not considered the [[:WP:SIGCOV|significant coverage]] needed to help establish Lee's notability. As for specific notability requirements related to volleyball, try posting at [[:Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Volleyball]] and ask for help there. That's the [[:WP:PJ|WikiProject]] for Volleyball. Someone there may know of Lee and also possibly where to find more sources. Good luck. -- [[User:Marchjuly|Marchjuly]] ([[User talk:Marchjuly|talk]]) 00:45, 6 December 2015 (UTC)}}


{{AFC comment|1=Now that this draft specifies that the individual played professional volleyball, he probably meets [[WP:NSPORT|sports notability]] based on comparisons with other sports, in which professional play is considered notable. There isn't a specific volleyball guideline. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 22:17, 5 December 2015 (UTC)}}
{{AFC comment|1=Now that this draft specifies that the individual played professional volleyball, he probably meets [[WP:NSPORT|sports notability]] based on comparisons with other sports, in which professional play is considered notable. There isn't a specific volleyball guideline. [[User:Robert McClenon|Robert McClenon]] ([[User talk:Robert McClenon|talk]]) 22:17, 5 December 2015 (UTC)}}

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  • Comment: Just a few comments. You should never embed external links to third party websites directly into articles like like you've done for "AAA two man rating","John Shaw", "Don Hanley", "Jeff Menzel" and "Mandy Bible" per Wikipedia:Citing sources#Avoid embedded links. If these subjects have their own Wikipedia articles, then use Help:Link#Wikilinks instead. If they don't have their own Wikipedia articles, then you can use inline citations to verify the connection between the two. This connection, however, should be quite clear in the source per Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources#Context matters. Just for reference, notability on Wikipedia is not inherited. The fact that Lee is associated with individuals or events which have been deemed to satisfy Wikipedia's notability requirements does not automatically mean Lee also satisfies those requirements. Lee's notability needs to be established independently of everything else so adding links to websites or online player profile pages, such as www.cbva.com/faq.aspx and www.teamusa.org/athletes/me/jeff-menzel, which make no mention of Lee at all or only a trivial mention at best are not considered the significant coverage needed to help establish Lee's notability. As for specific notability requirements related to volleyball, try posting at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Volleyball and ask for help there. That's the WikiProject for Volleyball. Someone there may know of Lee and also possibly where to find more sources. Good luck. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:45, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment: Now that this draft specifies that the individual played professional volleyball, he probably meets sports notability based on comparisons with other sports, in which professional play is considered notable. There isn't a specific volleyball guideline. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:17, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment: Simply not enough in-depth third-party sources overall. SwisterTwister talk 02:42, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
  • Comment: Are there any other sources discussing Lee? This source shows that he has been involved in volleyball and has won competitions, but it is rather bare on substantive content. The kinds of sources we are looking for are reliable, independent (third-party) sources that discuss the subject in significant detail. Thanks, /wia /tlk 01:38, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
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Jon Lee, Indoor and Beach Volleyball Player, Coach, Journalist and Commentator

Jon Lee (born 1949) is an American indoor and beach volleyball player, coach, and journalist. He won a national championship indoors in 1969 at the University of California Santa Barbara where he was a three time All-American. After graduating from UCSB, Lee played professional indoor volleyball with the Santa Barbara Spikers ('75) and with Son Amar in Spain ('74, '75), including winning the Spanish National Championship in Mallorca ('74).[1]

Lee began playing beach volleyball at age 10, competed throughout high school and college, won his AAA two-man rating on the beach in 1971, and maintained that rating for well over a decade[2][3]. Between 1971 and 1983 he teamed with three-time Olympic gold medalist Karch Kiraly; former Stanford men's and women's volleyball coach Don Shaw; NBA player, basketball All-American; and pro volleyball player Greg Lee, AVP Pro John Hanley; and many others.[2][3] In 2015, he won the 60+ Sand National Championship for the third consecutive year and has won 10 other age-level titles at the annual Motherlode Volleyball Classic in Aspen.[4][5]

After finishing his professional volleyball career, Lee become a writer and Senior Editor for Volleyball Magazine, the world's first volleyball publication.[3][6] He covered Olympic, Pan American and World Championship competition around the world and authored over 100 articles about the sport. He also worked as an ESPN color commentator on television, covering beach doubles and four-man tournaments as well as NCAA and professional indoor matches.[3]

For 23 years Lee was a highly recognized indoor coach at San Marcos High School in Santa Barbara, California, where he also taught writing and English.[7] He coached 46 consecutive seasons of both the boys and girls volleyball for the Royals, from 1986 to 2009, while also mixing in stints as an assistant coach for three seasons at Westmont College and one at UCSB.[7] His high school boys and girls volleyball teams both won CIF (Southern California) Championships and many collegiate and Olympic stars emerged from his programs, including U.S. Beach Volleyball Gold Medalist Todd Rogers, AVP Professional Dax Holdren, U.S. National Volleyball team members Brook Billings and Jeff Menzel, and West Coast Conference First Team player Mandy Bible among others. He was named CIF Coach of the Year three times[8]. Remarkably and most enduringly, 52 of Lee's players have gone on to become volleyball coaches. In 2009 San Marcos High School honored Coach Lee by naming the Lee Court in the new gymnasium in his honor.[9][10] In 2013, the City of Santa Barbara Parks and Recreation Department, local media and the Semana Nautica Association awarded Jon the R.F. MacFarland Memorial Trophy for his 22 years of service to youth.[7]

Jon's younger brother Greg Lee is a retired American basketball player.

References

  1. ^ "Santa Barbara Spikers Rooster".
  2. ^ a b "Beach Volleyball Database".
  3. ^ a b c d "Coaches' Coach, DIG Magazine, 2009".
  4. ^ "30th ANNUAL MOTHERLODE VOLLEYBALL CLASSIC results".
  5. ^ "MotherLode Volleyball Classic Results".
  6. ^ "Volleyball Magazine 30th Anniversary Throwback".
  7. ^ a b c "'Lee honored for his volleyball service to youth,' Santa Barbara News-Press, May 17, 2013".
  8. ^ "Santa Barbara Athletic Roundtable "Coach of the Year" award 2000" (PDF).
  9. ^ "Letter from Norm Clevenger, Principal, San Marcos High School" (PDF).
  10. ^ "San Marcos gym and court to honor Lee, Halleck". Presidio Sports. Retrieved 2015-12-05.
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