Talk:Linkin Park

Best selling act of the 21st century?

That claim is ridiculous with no source whatsoever. They are definitely amongst the best selling artists, but artists such as Eminem, britney Spears have more than likely sold more the new century than Linkin Park. Simple math by adding their album sales up and comparing them to LP's sales would verify that.

I really believe that line should be removed from the opening and I will do so now, unless a source is credited. As of right now it's an unverifiable and in my opinion exaggurated claim.

• It's a fairly rediculous claim. You're right to remove it. Until someone finds a source (which they probably won't), we should take it out the article. --[kazikame] 19:00, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Actually they are the best selling debut act of the 21st Century, All of the examples you put out had realeased albums before the year 2000. So while the claim is a little off it is a valid statement

• Unless you can find a reliable link proving that, it can't go in the article. --[kazikame] 12:24, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Breaking The Habit Music Video - 'Classical Animation'??

BtH music video was an Anime/Manga video, that's the only correct description! The Breaking the Habit music video is described as classical animation. I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean, but I don't think it is correct. The BtH video animation was animated by GONZO (ermm ... just for the record ... its Nakawaza not gonzo. it used to say it on linkinpark.com) and the director was the guy who directed the anime scene in Kill Bill Volume 1 (his name escapes my mind). I believe anime would be a more appropriate catagory to list it as (especially seeing as that's what the band wanted the video to be and the fact it was made by an anime production studio). 68.254.114.172 23:05, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It was originally listed as hand-drawn animation which didn't have an article. I figured whoever wrote that meant classical animation, which does have an article, so I changed it. I haven't actually seen the video, so feel free to change it to say anime. PMC 23:59, 11 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Breaking The Habit is not easy to classify - it is not traditional animation, its too "jumpy" and "messy" for that (bad words, best I can think of though. Its not Anime either though, although this is based on my blinkered, western view of anime (blue hair, big eyes, like Pokemon). Classical Animation is a bad term for it, but its probably closest. Its a good video none the less Kiand 16:24, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I managed to take a look at the video and based on what I know of proper anime (not westernized Yu-Gi-Oh crap, I mean anime like Akira and Ghost in the Shell) and what the band's said about the vid, I think anime is an appropriate category for it. PMC 22:20, 15 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Based on the official definintion of Anime, which I will not go into here, due to space, the BTH music video is indeed anime. The style may not be the same as most other, more common anime, but it is anime regardless. Cronal Dominus 19:33, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

- Anime = Japanese animation. Therefore, if the video was made in Japan, it's anime. If not, it's anime-style.

LIИKIИ PARK

Should it also be noted that they write their name with the russian letter, "и" (i) in substitute for the Latin letter "n" (н)?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.134.176.82 (talk • contribs) .

• Go for it, yeah. Just maybe note that most people write it as Linkin Park anyway. [[User:Premeditated Chaos|PMC]] 00:48, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Um, actually Linkin Park only wrote their name with the Cyrrilic "i" on Hybrid Theory. Meteora and Reanimation were LINKIN PARK. However I do think that the cyrrilic "i" is cooler.

According to the pictures in the article They did write their name as "LIИKIИ PARK" in Reanimation too, and even Colision Course with Jay Z.--Greasysteve13 05:07, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

• Maybe even a LiиKiи PARK, which is just plain super-hot. And EVERYONE who's ANYONE has seen the LP with the backwards P.

While I have always seen LP with the backwards P in some of their logos, I do not think we should have the band's name in Cyrillic. BTW, please try not to post email addresses on here. Zach (Sound Off) 02:10, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Splitting the DNA -REJECTED-

Should Splitting the DNA be kept in the discography listing as a bootleg CD? I think it's good to have a record of, since it's been created. Also, if Splitting the DNA is bootleg, then where were did the demo songs on the CD such as Esaul and Superxero come from?

Off P2P networks, almost certainly. Also remember that before Linkin Park were well know (indeed, before they had that name), all their demo tracks were up on mp3.com as unsigned bands - this stuff gets out.

Its a bootleg, one of hundreds, and it shouldn't be here. Theres at least 100 bootlegs for New Order, for instace - no way should even one be listed. --Kiand 20:26, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If Splitting the DNA was listed as a bootleg then we would have to list all of the Linkin Park bootleg CDs which would be a waste of time. It is not an official CD released by Warner Brothers which means it has no importance to Wikipedia. SayCheese 16:16, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What do you mean all of the boots? There's only two or three to my knowledge, and Splitting the DNA is the main one. Plus, if there are way too many boots, then perhaps a special subsection could be made under discography to list them. --Daunrealist 16:50, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

But bootlegs aren't official - they shouldn't be on the page at all. They're not listed for any other band, at all. --Kiand 16:52, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

But does the fact that they're unoficcial mean that they don't exist whatsoever, such as Splitting the DNA and Las Vegas Theory? Of course not. I think that some of the most important ones (excluding Las Vegas Theory) should be at least noted. --Daunrealist 22:29, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

That's the thing, bootlegs are not important and is why they should not be on Wikipedia. If you think it is dire for everyone to know, make a website about it. --SayCheese 07:57, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

(resetting indent) but how do you define important with a bootleg - its just a scalper trying to make money off someone elses work. ALL bands have bootlegs, none of them are important enough to be listed on their pages. Even with a band with surprisingly little original material (two albums, more reintrepretations than tracks), no bootleg is notable or important enough to be listed. For an act like the Travelling Wilburys (where you can't get their official releases legally) it MIGHT be worth mentioning. But not a recording, touring, active act with legally available releases. --Kiand 22:33, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Ok, fine. Leave it out. Whatever. --Daunrealist 03:04, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Demos

Where did the following songs come from?

• Rhinestone (Forgotten Demo)
• Crawling (Demo)
• Untitled (In The End Demo)
• Papercut (Hell Version)
• Part of Me

Where did this CD come from?

• Linkin Park- Erection

Papercut (Hell Remix) is not an official song and was on a CD full of remixes. It's sold on Amazon. SayCheese 29 June 2005 15:49 (UTC)

Rhineston, Crawling, Untitled and Part of Me demo's are all on a CD released by the band then called Hybrid Theory to record companies. The CD is known as The Internal review Sampler. Go to LPcollectors.com for track listing and pictures.

Ok, sorry guys, but I have 3 more questions.

• What was on the CD "Project Revolution?"
• What was on the CD "LPU 2.0?"
• Is Linkin Park Underground V2.5 legit?

--daunrealist 04:59, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

There is no Projekt Revolution CD although websites have had it listed for awhile.

Manderf 20:59, 23 July 2006 (UTC)Actually there is a Projekt Revolution CD, although it is only a sampler and very hard to obtain the track listing is: -

1. Dirtier than the next - No Warning
2. Under a killing moon - Thrice
3. Ground Zero - Mash Out Posse
4. Smart - Helmet
5. The heart of polka is still beating - Story of the year
6. Breaking The Habit (Live) - Linkin Park                       
7. For the workforce, drowning - Thursday
8. My Everything - Goldfinger
9. Shoot Out - Jadakiss
10. Did my time (live at CBGB's) - Korn
11. Breakdown - In 
12. Look What Happened - Less Than Jake
13. Be This Way - Ghost Face
14. Juneau - Funeral For a Friend
15. Gun In Hand - Stuterfly
16. Maybe Memories - The Used
17. What drives the weak - Shadows Fall
18. Clockwork - Autopilot off
19. Fool'n Yaself - Snoop Dogg

The tracklisting for LPU 2.0 is

• A.06
• With You (Live)
• PTS.OF.ATHRTY (Crystal Method Remix)
• Dedicated (Demo 1999)
• High Voltage (Live)
• My December.

LPU V2.5 is not a legit CD that uses the artwork from LPU 2.0 to make buyers believe that it is real. --SayCheese 18:55, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

I heard about the Xero demo tape, but I wasn't sure if it was just a myth. (http://www.pushmeaway.com/disc.html)

I assure you, the tape is not a myth. As for getting a hold of the songs your best bet is a file sharing program. --SayCheese 05:37, 12 July 2005 (UTC)

• Is this real?

Yes this is the Demo to Hybrid Theory EP

• What are the songs "Pool of Death" and "Dust In The Wind?" They're not really Linkin Park, are they?

No these are not tracks by Linkin Park

Faint - "Monochrome"

The video for Faint isn't monochome. Its got yellow in it too, in the early stages (the lighting), and the later parts of the video - when the band are singing in front of what looks kinda like a speaker stack, is full colour. --Kiand 04:46, 31 July 2005 (UTC)

New Album

Linkin Park are set to release a new album at the end of 2006 beginning of 2007 the title has not been released.

The album titles Recycle or Rotality have not been confirmed as the new title of the album.

Chart Positions

According to billboard meteora has sold 5.1 million in the US. the discography has it as 4 million. i had changed it to 5.1 but it has now been changed back. 4 million is a great disservice. the whole of the discography should be ACTUAL sales instead of RIAA certs, these should only be mentioned as SHIPMENTS, as with Meteora these haven't been updated recently and it is unfair to discredit LP by (At least) 1.1 mill - this is more than many artists could even hope to sell!

Have you considered the 1.1 million "missing" might be in a country Billboard covers that isn't the US? US isn't the only country in the world. --Kiand 19:16, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Part of me

Has linkin park ever released a song called "part of me"? It sounds like Mike Shinoda's rapping but not Chesters vocals. Also i am a huge fan of linkin park but i want to be able to get a hold of all there songs, but i cant get Hybrid Theory EP. my last resort is to download them. Also what do you all think of "Remember the name" from fort minor? its a great song.

- Yes they did release a song called "Part of me" (and no it is not figure 09 off meteora which features similar lyrics), it was made by "Hybrid Theory" (before they became known as Linkin Park) and can be found on the album "Hybrid Theory EP". Yes that is most certainly Chester singing.

There's two versions of part of me, one is a Hybrid Theory EP demo and a demo released for Hybrid Theory when they were known as Linkin Park, which featured slight tweaks in both Chester and Mike's parts. both can be found for download off of linkin park fansites; the demo version wasn't actually released and can be found on LPTimes.com among other fansites.backstabb 16:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Article revision

I have revised and edited this article to make it easier to read, and I also took out the chit chat as wikipedia is not a message board or chat room.(Manderf 15:06, 16 August 2006 (UTC))

I took the liberty of completely revising the article. Seeing as how I've been a fan of the band since mid-2001 and I've worked with the Linkin Park Association in the past, I figured I'd apply all of my knowledge to the article. I've also cleaned up a lot of vandalism and added a lot of information that wasn't in the article before. Wlmaltby3 17:32, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

I restored the infobox, as it is generally included in notable band articles. --DDerby-(talk) 16:20, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

G'job, both of you. --daunrealist 02:52, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Genre

I love Linkin Park, and they're nu-metal down to the ground.

Rapping, simple riffs, hip-hop and industrial elements, 'angsty' lyrics, no guitar solos, little tendecny for dramatic time changes, widely liked by people not into regular heavy metal, collaborations with rap and hip-hop artists, young fanbase, high degree of commercialization in terms of merchandise and fanclubs, formulaic songwriting, HUGELY polished sound (anyone who's seen the Meteroa DVD will see just how much work they put into perfecting a track). There really is no question that they're nu metal. ANYONE you ask will tell you they're nu metal except for a very few fans of Linkin PArk who are worried that the term is too pejorative.

I think changing it back to nu-metal, and keeping it there, is the best option. If you really must have it as something different, alternative metal might be the best solution. I say this as a massive fan of Linkin Park, I just see them for what they are. Just because they don't have guitar solos, just because they're polished and formulaic, just because they're nu metal doesn't stop them from being a great band :D

~Mal

Been to see them live, have all the albums + the EP, and I agree that they're nu metal down to the ground. --Kiand 21:43, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

The reason why I claimed that the band has very little to do with "nü-metal" is for the simple fact that they're not metal and they've got very little in common with bands like Korn or Limp Bizkit who are also considered nü-metal. Wlmaltby3 20:46, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

nu-metal doesn't have much in common with normal metal, but it does have electronic instruments, mixing and rapping...

They're certainly not "hard rock", which is what is claimed now. About as nuts as the "electronica" label someone put on Paradise Lost a while ago. -Kiand 21:01, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

They are not nü-metal, they are in a genre of there own, but most people classify them as rock. Isnt nü-metal also called alternitive?

"Alternative" is used as a catchall for bands that can't be classified. However, Linkin Park are nu-metal, not unclassifiable. --Kiand 09:15, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Im just saying that because there music is differnt to most nü-metal music as the lyrics are not as obsene as most nu metal artists. thats why i said there in a genre of there own. mabey we can call them Clean Nü-metal

Hybrid Metal I'd say cos it's not that clean when 3 music genres are fused .

If you think linkin park should therefore be called Hybrid Metal or something like that and be the first to be called that in the world, say I or Yes or Hell yeah etc

I noticed that 194.217.194.139 changed the genre from "nu metal/rapcore" to "nu metal/alternative rock" in the article's opening paragraph. Since it does seem that the term "rapcore" is not quite a mainstream term, and that Linkin Park can indeed be considered "alternative rock" (a better known genre), I decided against reverting the change. Instead, I re-included Rapcore in the infobox. --AbsolutDan ^(talk) 00:49, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

when Linkin Park do "heavy" songs like One Step Closer and such they are definatly Nu-metal but some songs seem more to the Alternative Metal direction, though I suppose it's not enough to warrant a mention perhaps. The new album is supposed to be "darker and less heavy" so maybe after that one, writing Alt. Metal somewhere in the article is warranted.

Best work to date???

"Shinoda produced the Hybrid Theory EP which is still being praised as Linkin Park's best work to date." - It's still being praised? Praised by who? whoever wrote this is making it look like the EP IS the best. backstabb 18:15, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I think I removed that phrase when I re-edited yesterday. According to Wiki policy it's unproveable and redundant so I sliced it. IainP (talk) 12:13, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Chester Bennington

In the page of Wikipedia refering to Chester Bennington , it is claimed that "Breaking the habit" was written by Mike Shinoda and was based in (I can hardly believe) Chester's sexual abusion in his youth years . Is this for real ? Someone who knows more about LP than me.

The song is not written about Chester AT ALL. It is a rumour that started when it was released. Mike wrote it about a friend of his, he started to write it in 1997, years before he even knew Chester existed! Chester gets emotional when he sings it live, and that sparked people in to thinking that it was about him, when, infact, he just thinks it is a beautiful song.

Points of Authority

Where is the source for the information about "Points of Authority" being a single as it is included on the infobox at the bottom of the Linkin Park page, I have been unable to find any information stating that it is a single. Lipzydude 23:07, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

points of authority was never a single, as far as i can see. Also, it's going down wasn't even by linkin park, and neither was enjoy the silence...backstabb 19:17, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I remember seeing Points Of Authority with a video where they showed clips of the band playing at various locations on TV but I dunno if it's an "official" single or something

A video featuring concert footage, which was released just after Reanimation's Points of Authority (however the !@#$ they spelled it on that album), got some airplay. I do not believe it was released to radio - it would have been somewhat redundant to do so since the Reanimation track had just been released a short time prior. Tromboneguy0186 05:07, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I recall the Pts.Of.Athrty CGI clip having considerable airtime on Cartoon Network.--Schwarzes Nacht 03:34, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure Pts.Of.Athrty was a single, but not the original Points of Authority, and the video of the remix is an official one (unlike the other Reanimation videos). -67.163.21.39 19:25, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

External links

Does anyone else think that this article is a bit "bottom heavy" with external links? I started out by removing the link to the Fort Minor Militia site, as it requires payment to access content (which goes against External links policy).

I'm also thinking that all but one the fansites can go (one fansite per article per Wikipedia:External links), as can the link to the live desktop app, LPStreetTeam, Linkin Park Forums, Linkin Park Underground, The Linkin Park Association, & LPZion (as this is the English Wikipedia, and that site's not in English). Even removing just these would still leave a generous amount of external links. --AbsolutDan ^(talk) 04:30, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't think all fansites should be removed. No one fansite can justify the information available on Linkin Park; the top 3 fansites around are LP Association, Forfeit The Game and LP Times, so maybe stick with those, as they encompass more together than just one could. I would also say to maybe split the links in to "External: Official" and "External: Fansites" just for clarity. Also, LP Underground is a payment site as well as the Militia. --crewdy 14:18, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I removed the following fansites & other external links:

• Linkin Park Underground
• BTH LiveDesktop
• LPStreetTeam.pl
• LPREVOLUTION.de - German Linkin Park Fanpage
• LPfuse - UK Fansite
• LPZion
• Linkin Park Forums

I also removed the following album/tour links, because they already have Wikipedia articles (which are linked to earlier in the article), and per WP guidelines, it's better to link internally than externally:

• Collision Course official site
• Fort Minor
• Projekt Revolution

--AbsolutDan ^(talk) 00:41, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

there's a source that leads to the LPU site, but can't be viewed without an account backstabb 19:04, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Fansites are not reliable sources of information and are not necessary in an encyclopedia, thus they should be removed. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 20:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Considering all the linkspam I've been cleaning up on this article since my initial cleanup last month, I'd be more than happy to see them all go. However, doesn't WP:EL#Occasionally_acceptable_links allow for one fansite? If so, can we get a consensus as to which one should stay? I'd rather hash this out first instead of starting a battle as to which link should stay --AbsolutDan ^(talk) 21:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

LPU is a fanclub site, not a fansite. Band members often provide information in LPU chats, but these sources are inaccessible to anyone who isn't a member of the LPU. backstabb 17:37, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Yup, per above, that one's already been removed. It's listed here for posterity --AbsolutDan ^(talk) 18:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Nope, the source i pointed out is still there- source number [4] right here backstabb 16:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Ahh good catch, sorry I missed that before, I thought we were discussing only the EL section. I have removed both the link and the corresponding content, as it cannot be WP:V'd being a members-only site. --AbsolutDan ^(talk) 17:20, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I have removed all fansites from this article's External links section. As Can't sleep, clown will eat me mentions above, they are not encyclopedic and not necessary for a good article. Besides, as long as they are present, editors will feel their fansite is worthy of inclusion. To be fair to all, I say we leave them all absent. If anyone has issue with this, please discuss it here first. Any fansite links that are added without discussion here will be quickly removed. --AbsolutDan ^(talk) 23:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Linkin Park

I propose that a WikiProject for Linkin Park be started so as to increase the structural integrity and factual accuracy of any articles that pertain to either directly or indirectly the band itself. I wanted to propose the idea here so as to gather the opinions of those who have worked on articles dealing with the band (such as myself). If anyone would like to help me begin a WikiProject for Linkin Park, please let me know! – Wlmaltby3 20:07, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I will help, I want to know what the hell is up with the info box. Childzy ^{(Talk|Contribs)} 09:07, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

10x platinum

The opening paragraph of the article says that Hybrid Theory went 19x platinum. It's actually only 10x platinum (see RIAA webstite).

That's counting worldwide sales. -SayCheese 17:41, 26 July 2006 (UTC)