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Draft:Tushar Unadkat

Hi there. I recently uploaded a draft page "Tushar Unadkat" which you declined. I was hoping you would be able to tell me more specifically what I need to do to improve this page, as I've tried improving it already and I'm not sure if I should just give up. I could possibly edit the language a bit, but the trouble is I've tried being neutral and objective already (more factual and at distance). I also don't know if it's because of the sources... but I have since found a well-known physical magazine which was launched last month in India which praises his contributions to the South Asian community as well as a journal article which references his artworks, as well as a book Canada in My Views - Dr Mafatlal Patel which also notes his contribution to the community. Would this make it more appropriate for submission? As a social and cultural studies scholar I am engaged with his work so was hoping to get this out. Thank you, and all the best.

Hi - Right now the article reads like little more than a CV, which is a personal promotional piece. While accomplished, is he notable? The two are not synonymous on Wikipedia. The current references currently don't show that. For instance the Event Combo piece is a press release masquerading as an article (this happens frequently in Indian media). A dead giveaway is when an article provides contact information to the subject of the article. The CMCS and SAJA pieces are non-independent. The Reelworld is a PR, and the other two links are not operational, but simply looking at their titles, they are most likely not independent. What you need is in-depth coverage from at least 3 independent sources to show notability. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:23, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Request on 16:48:41, 15 May 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by AtulWikiacnt

• AtulWikiacnt (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Uma Dogra (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thanks for your suggestions and tips. I have edited the page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Uma_Dogra) and removed those WP:PEACOCK words from it. I have removed that separate award section also. Please review this page now. Hope it gets an acceptance.

AtulWikiacnt (talk) 16:48, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Much better AtulWikiacnt - You've resubmitted, so let's let another editor take a look at it. If it goes unreviewed for a few more days, shoot me a reminder, and I'll re-review it. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:28, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Notability

This is in relation to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Robert_Valley

Firstly, I appreciate you may not have much time, so thank you for attending to this message.

I understand that there are not enough secondary sources to make the subject seem notable. However, there are two issues with this: 1. The domain of the subject's work does not, yet, make newsworthy copy for a mainstream audience, and is more likely to be covered by specialist blogs/videos, due to the nature of the work. 2. The subjects peers are often media shy about themselves and more interested in pushing work than individuals, if they go public at all. And by extension, don't often make a lot of noise about other artists in that field.

His work is very notable, indeed iconic, and any professional illustrator/animator worth their salt would attest to this. So can you advise on what alternate sources would be a appropriate? Or what can be done to further confirm wikipedia acceptable notability in absence of mainstream media coverage?

gsv_gravitas_zero Gsv gravitas zero (talk) 20:21, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Gsv gravitas zero - To show notability you're going to need sources. They are out there. Click on the "News" link in the box on the draft. In addition to the Cartoon Brew piece you already use, there are enough other articles to show notability (e.g. Huffpo, Comic Book Resources, ComicsAlliance). Stay away from interviews with Valley, as they are primary sources, same with press releases. It's not going to be easy, but with a bit of effort, I think you can get this article published. Get rid of the YouTube reference, as it's not considered a reliable source, same with imdb. Also stay away from social media sites. Don't be afraid to ask questions. I usually respond once a day, but you can also get help at Wikipedia:Teahouse, if I'm not responding quickly enough for you. Finally, your first citation is properly formatted, make sure you get rid of any error messages in any cites. Good luck. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:41, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

04:02:55, 16 May 2016 review of submission by 1Piccolois

• 1Piccolois (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:John C. Krell (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This is my first attempt at creating a page and I chose my teacher because he was considered by many in the industry to be the greatest piccolo player of the twentieth century. I feel he deserves a page. He also was also a very modest man and kept any successes to himself. When he past away I, with the help of his colleagues in the Philadelphia Orchestra, prepared a memorial concert for him at the Academy of Music Ballroom and the Philadelphia Orchestra's archivist gave me copies of all sorts of wonderful newspaper clippings about him. I would like to share this information. So you know, I am not getting anything personally from creating his page.

I have gone back and tried to site third party Internet content where I can, but I'm finding it very difficult finding Internet content when dealing with a classical musician from this time period. Please tell me what you need so we can get his page up and running.

Thanks, 1Piccolois (talk) 04:02, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi 1Piccolois - looks like you've met the GNG guidelines. Article still has a tone issue, stuff like "was passionate" should be removed. Don't go into feelings and motivations, commentary or subjective views. Other than that, resubmit and I'll move it to the mainspace. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:34, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Denial on Sydney Michael Hudson

Hi Onel5969,

I have submitted the article for Sydney Michael Hudson a few separate times now. (https://www.google.com/search?as_eq=wikipedia&q=%22Sydney+Michael+%28Mike%29+Hudson%22&num=50) Right now I am working on changing the references that appear more than once so that they share a citation. Other than that, I believe it was denied due to unreliable sources. I changed many and added multiple new sources to the article, but still received a denial. The latest denial was not as clear to me. Can you please clarify what is causing the page to be denied? I have been working on this for over a week and feel I have corrected most errors, so any insight would be greatly appreciated. Thank you!

Tdwilson (talk) 13:13, 16 May 2016 (UTC)tdwilson

Hi Tdwilson - The sourcing was the main issue, but not the only one. In addition to not having independent, reliable sourcing, the article, in its current form is a puff piece. The vast majority of the items in the "Accomplishments" list should be deleted. In fact, Wikipedia prefers prose to lists. If you can cite his involvement in a project, simply in the body of the article say, "In 19xx, Hudson was part of a team which did _______", but only if it's significant. Also, if a citation doesn't indicate him, get rid of it. Citations are of two sorts: 1 - to verify assertions in the article; and 2 - to show notability. Many of the citations you currently have are fine for the former, for example using the Marian U's magazine to show he's a member of their BoT is fine. But since they are non-independent sources, they do nothing to show the man's notability. To show notability, you need to have several articles which go in-depth about him, which are from reliable, independent sources. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:45, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Hello,

Thanks for the explanation. I have read Wikipedia's definition and descriptions of independent sources, but do not understand how the sources used in this article do not fall into this category. I will go ahead and get rid of sources that do not speak of him directly, but do my other sources work? Also, which portions of the accomplishments would you suggest getting rid of? I believe they all contribute to Hudson's life and efforts, so deleting most of it may lose the importance of his article. Would it be better to turn the accomplishments into prose rather than lists? Sorry for all of the questions, I would just like to get this approved in a timely manner and am new to this! Thank you again. tdwilson Tdwilson (talk) 18:16, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

References from sources that the subject had anything to do with (worked there, published a paper, belonged to) all are non-independent. The list of accomplishments can probably be summed up in a short paragraph or two. Everything from an advisory capacity down can be deleted. His fellowships can be summed up in a single sentence, such as "He was a member of several societies, including as a fellow of the (and pick the first two, maybe three at most). The development work can be summed up in a single sentence. Where I would spend time is on the first section, give a sentence, with dates and citations for each of those major projects. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:09, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Request on 16:29:57, 16 May 2016 for assistance on AfC submission by 82.132.186.122

• 82.132.186.122 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Khalid Aziz (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Thank you for reviewing my post on Khalid Aziz. I did not realise that this had been denied before and do not understand the reasons why now. How can we ensure that the post is approved?

There are four references referred to in the article that below to external independent sources:

http://www.basingstokegazette.co.uk/news/10476815.Naomi_House_hospice_s_outgoing_chairman_Khalid_Aziz_says_it_will_hard_to_say_goodbye/ https://www.enhamtrust.org.uk/about-enham-trust/how-we-are-run/meet-our-trustees https://www.sbs.ac.uk/academic-profiles/khalid-aziz http://www3.hants.gov.uk/lieutenancy/deputies.htm

In addition:

http://www.radioenham.co.uk/whats-on/something-for-the-weekend-dj-shaun-khalid-aziz/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rubixdigital (talk • contribs) 18:20, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

82.132.186.122 (talk) 16:29, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Rubixdigital (talk • contribs) 16:34, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Rubixdigital - It will be difficult to get this approved. It's been deleted twice, and the last time was almost salted (which means that to get it approved would really take admin approval). I did I search for this particular person with that name, and got virtually nothing which would show his notability. If you can come up with four or more in-depth articles from independent, reliable mainstream sources, that would be different. Right now, the article has zero of these. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:52, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

06:01:29, 17 May 2016 review of submission by Chitralekhamag

• Chitralekhamag (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:VAJU KOTAK Founder – Chitralekha (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Why has it been rejected. He was a legend of his time. He has wrote number of Books which people still read today. His Prabhat na Pusha books are still famous. His stamp was released by President Pratibha Patil. So please check the references and do review again.

Chitralekhamag - please read the guidelines for notability, then read the guidelines on how to format citations. Then read the guidelines on what qualifies as a reliable source. Blogs, youtube, non-independent sources - you need to get rid of all of them. Then get rid of the wordpress sites (non-reliable), sites like Amazon, etc. Not sure what you have left. Then, you have to write the article in a neutral tone. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:13, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Draft:Hobson v. Hansen

I have looked at the Draft:Hobson v. Hansen article. The article appears to satisfy Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment for Start-Class or C-Class articles. The comment by Jodi.a.schneider is a legitimate edit concern. However, that edit concern does not appear to merit a suspension from moving this article from draft space into article space. Mitchumch (talk) 11:28, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Keng Papon

Keng Papon (talk) 15:00, 17 May 2016 (UTC)Keng PaponKeng Papon (talk) 15:00, 17 May 2016 (UTC) topic Surachai Chantimathorn Sorry to disturb you,sir. But my sources is also appeared in wiki thai page. Yes,it is in Thai but I'd say those sites are quite reliable in Thailand. My purpose is making this article published on wiki. All of my words didnt support and advetise anybody in any role in any way too. Ive spend a lot of time making this article so please let it on the wiki page

Question about an article

Hi, Onel! I have a question back for you, since I know you work in the film and entertainment areas. It's about the article Darrell McNeil. I declined BLP PROD on that article and have been working on it - trimming a massive amount of puffery and adding references. But I don't know what to do about the "filmography" sections. They seem to be listing everything he ever worked on, credited or not, sourced or not, right down to "background extra". In the article they explain why his work was often uncredited. He is mentioned several Wikipedia articles including Super Friends, Wonder Twins, and Space Sentinels, and I have even seen signed cels of his for sale at Ebay, so he is definitely notable in the industry. But I just don't know if those long filmography sections are allowed. You are familiar with this Wiki subject, what do you think? --MelanieN (talk) 20:45, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi MelanieN - Unlike actors, uncredited work by behind the scenes folk, unless it can be cited by an independent source, shouldn't appear in the article, in my opinion. So that should wipe out the majority of the list. I have some articles with over 200 films in the filmography section (see Robert Emmett Keane), but all of those are cited by a reliable source. I feel the same way about the "other work" section. If you can't cite it, then it becomes problematic. Regardless of length, the filmography should at least be in columns, if not a table. The length of the filmography isn't the issue, it's being able to verify what the filmography contains. Hope that makes sense. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 01:40, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. One of the things I trimmed from the article (it was loaded with fluff) was a comment that this article represents the first complete compilation of everything the guy has done - in other words, original research all the way. I will trim out the uncredited/unsourced stuff. I will probably keep the things listed at IMDb, even though I know we don't consider it "reliable". After I trim it (I'm busy offline so it may take a day or two), I'll see if I can figure out how to format it better. --MelanieN (talk) 16:14, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Now worries. If you need any help, I do a fair amount of these types of articles, so you know where to find me. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 02:01, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

02:20:27, 18 May 2016 review of submission by AtulWikiacnt

• AtulWikiacnt (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Uma Dogra (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi Onel5969, thanks for your help in making my first page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Uma_Dogra) much better than before. But its still in a review stage. Please re-review it. just a gentle reminder.

AtulWikiacnt (talk) 02:20, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

06:37:24, 18 May 2016 review of submission by Debdel123

• Debdel123 (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Philip Lowe (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Not sure why my submission was rejected (first time I tried this). I think Philip Lowe deserves to be on wikipedia because he will soon a very prominent central banker. He deserves a mention even with his current role as deputy governor of the RBA Debdel123 (talk) 06:37, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Debdel123, and welcome to Wikipedia. Wikipedia has a policy called notability (you can read about it HERE), which someone has to meet to be eligible for an article. Notability is related to, but not the same as prominence or accomplished. To show notability, you'll need at least 3 in-depth articles about Lowe, from independent, reliable sources. Independent means that Lowe has not relationship with the site (can't have worked, written for, etc). Reliable means that the site has editorial oversight. Hope this helps. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:01, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

User:Jesse Moa/sandbox

Less than an hour ago, you nominated this page for speedy deletion as G13. That is good. However, you provided a message on my talk page. I must have done something to it in November 2015 so that your script thought that I was its author. I was not its author; I must have done something to it in reviewing it. I will notify User:Jesse Moa. However, at this point, it is hard to determine what happened because the article is now invisible except to administrators. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:51, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

No. I won't notify that editor. That editor has not been active for six months, when they were trying to publicize their brewery. If they came here only for advertising and went away, I won't worry about them. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:53, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi Robert McClenon - First of all, thank you for the hard effort you put in over at AfC. Second, yeah, that happens from time to time. When using the AfC review tool at the G13 queue, it automatically sends a template message to the editor it decides was the submitter. Sometimes it is because you might have moved the page. There's nothing I can do about it when using the tool, my apologies for any inconvenience this has caused. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:04, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Cool. Since it was a sandbox, I didn't move it, unless I first moved the sandbox to draft space and then declined the draft, leaving a redirect. Maybe the draft was then speedied as promotional, and the redirect was either left standing or blanked or something. We don't know or care. Thank you for cleaning out the crud. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:21, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Draft:Karen_Civil

Hi,

Please review my edited draft article at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Karen_Civil . I had delete all promotional and advertising context like. If there's any suggestion to do another edit, let me know for being the better and eligible Wikipedia article.

Cheers,

Dega ^TalkToMe 05:59, 19 May 2016 (UTC)