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Fabless manufacturing

The article is now called "Fabless manufacturing" and you're being redirected here from fabless semiconductor company. Question: how can you manufacture something without a factory (by just creating "intellectual property"? Or is somebody just trying to be funny? Semsi Paco Virchow (talk) 08:51, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - the introductory assertion that semiconductor manufacturing is located predominantly in China is particularly ill informed. As the List of semiconductor fabrication plants should demonstrate, this is not even close to being true, unless one defines China as including Taiwan. U.S. authorities governing export of semiconductor technology definitely distinguish Taiwan from PRC. - 98.165.57.247 (talk) 01:56, 29 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Self-promotion

I'd be curious to know if this article was written by one of the folks mentioned in it. Hopefully it's not a case of self-advertising. -- Nonstopdrivel 04:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm curious too and AMD is a Fabless? Are you sure? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.52.65.100 (talk) 23:20, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm in a related field and know that the terminology is not BS. The specific folks mentioned, I dunno. — RevRagnarok ^{Talk Contrib} 20:24, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

"Fabless semiconductor company" is a very common term in the semi industry (and "Foundries" manufacture their designs), and the Xilinx story sounds right; I don't know the other company.

Atlant 22:54, 21 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Western Design Center is a fabless semiconductor company and has been so since 1981.

Bigdumbdinosaur (talk) 01:04, 26 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Zilog was a fabless semiconductor company in 1976, well before Western Design Center. Zilog relied on Mostek for fab services, though they later built their own fab. --Brouhaha (talk) 23:01, 6 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

LSI Computer Systems, Inc. (LSI/CSI)

According to the website of the Melville, New York-based company:

Founded in 1969, LSI Computer Systems, Inc. (LSI/CSI) began operations as the world's first fabless semiconductor company. Since its inception, LSI/CSI has been engaged in the design and production of Full Custom and Standard Integrated Circuits. Using a broad array of process technologies, LSI/CSI has produced ICs that extend from the consumer and industrial marketplace to military and aerospace applications.

I can understand being the first company to market by a matter of months. If you're lucky (maybe have good patents) first by several years. But first by over a decade? We must be reading about apples and oranges, or need better specific information about each of the claimed "firsts".

I've moved the image of this firm's building to the talk page because it was the only mention of the company in the entire article, and thus its presence in the article caused confusion (not to be confused with who?). We need better references than the firm's own website to establish their notability and the specific nature of their claimed "first." – Wbm1058 (talk) 20:29, 4 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

CML

There were plenty of companies designing silicon chips which independent companies made much earlier, well before the term "fabless semiconductor company" was coined. How about CML and the FX101 frequency sensitive switch (used in Concorde amonst other places). This PMOS chip was manufactured for CML by Plessey and later Hughes. This chip dates from 1968. Jeremybennett (talk) 07:15, 31 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Citations

There's almost no citations on this article. One reference to an outside site. Most of this seems like it is unsourced. I added the refimprove template to the top. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Colinbartlett (talk • contribs) 00:05, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Output list

Should the list of output by company be in chronological or reverse chronological order (as it is now). It seems most lists go from old to new (top to bottom), so change over time is evident. I don't know if there's a Wiki policy on this, but it might be worth reversing. 71.224.206.164 (talk) 13:01, 17 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Jargon history and/or etymology

If we can find sourced information about this, it'd be great to add some notes about the history of the use of fabless jargon over fabric-less or fabrication-less. 66.11.179.30 (talk) 21:40, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

First Fabless company

The list of fabless 'pioneers' seem at least 10 years after Consumer Micro Circuits, founded in 1968, designed but did not fabricate semiconductor devices. This company qualifies more than a simple design house (who designed a device for another company to manufacture) as CML designed, tested, packaged, marketed and then sold on the open market (e.g. FX101), the only bit they didn't do was fabrication. As far as I know they have never owned or part owned a fab house. Perhaps because they were not a US company they have not come to notice?

Could anyone comment on why this company does not qualify? If not I'll update the opening para to reflect the above. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2ghoti (talk • contribs) 13:36, 21 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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 I've moved the image of this firm's building to the talk page because it was the ''only'' mention of the company in the entire article, and thus its presence in the article caused confusion (not to be confused with who?).  We need better references than the firm's own website to establish their notability and the specific nature of their claimed "first."  – [[User:Wbm1058|Wbm1058]] ([[User talk:Wbm1058|talk]]) 20:29, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
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+There were plenty of companies designing silicon chips which independent companies made much earlier, well before the term "fabless semiconductor company" was coined. How about [[CML_Microcircuits|CML]] and the FX101 frequency sensitive switch (used in Concorde amonst other places). This PMOS chip was manufactured for CML by Plessey and later Hughes. This chip dates from 1968. [[User:Jeremybennett|Jeremybennett]] ([[User talk:Jeremybennett|talk]]) 07:15, 31 May 2016 (UTC)
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