Talk:Naidu

Groupism i.e., Caste origin

The origin of groupism i.e., caste seems to have started with people trying to refer to themselves as one. There was no divisions and sub divisions until different people started competing for the same resources and had to organize themselves into groups to improve their chances in competing.

Lathead 12:05, 5 October2007 (UTC)

Subdivision origin

Another reason for groupism came from the profession followed by the differnt groups. As people changed professions, they also had to change names to reflect those professions. However they needed to differentiate themselves from people who were already using those professional names. So as people took up farming they had to call themselves Vellala. However since other groups were using Vellala as title, different groups with additional names were created. Thus were created the various groups of Vellala.

Lathead 9:18, 8 October2007 (UTC)

Names

This site seems hijaked by balijas. Its totally unwarrented. Administrators should involve right now to stop abuse of the information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.243.129.157 (talk) 05:20, 1 July 2009 (UTC) MISSING PROMINENT BALIJA NAIDU NAMES: Previously I saw a big list of prominent Balija Naidus(Kapus)in Naidu wikipedia; which for some reason (I do not know why?)was removed and only the list of few people is retained(I do not know why?)eventhough the latter are not as prominent as the people in the deleted list.The prominent people in the deleted list include Erode.V.Ramaswami Naiker(Founder of Dravida Kazhagam), Samarla Venkata Ranga Rao (actor), Konidela Chiranjeevi(actor),M.R.Radha( actor),Savithri(actress), Pasupuleti Kannamba(actress), C.K.Naidu(Cricketer),Kodi Ramamurthi Naidu(Wrestler),Sobha Naidu(Kuchipudi dancer),Raghupathi Venkaiah Naidu(Father of Telugu films),Thapi Dharma Rao Naidu(writer),Dwaram Venkataswami Naidu(Carnatic musian),Manikonda Chalapathi Rao(Journalist),Dasari Narayana Rao(director),Kancharla Keshava Rao(Politician),Punjala Shivashankar(Politician),M.S.Ramaiah((Owner of Educational institutions),D.K.Adikeshavulu Naidu(Owner of Educational institutions)and Narayana(Owner of Educational Institutions)etc.Is there any way if these names can be retained if some one is deliberately removing them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.24.145.57 (talk • contribs) 03:23, 1 April 2007

1. Please remember to sign your messages on Talk pages with four tildes: ~~~~
2. Lists of prominent people should contain only those who are genuinely prominent, not just locally important (see WP:BIO for an idea of what's needed). In practice, that means that people on such lists should have Wikipedia articles; if they're not significant enough for an article, then it's difficult to see how they can count as prominent. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 09:46, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

THANKS FOR MEL ETITIS INPUT: I searched and found out that Wikipedia articles are available for prominent Balija Naidus(Kapu/Telaga)such as E.V.Ramaswami Naiker(Periar),Samarla Venkata Ranga Rao,Konidela Chiranjeevi,M.R.Radha,Savithri,Kodi Ramamurthi Naidu,Raghupathi Venkaiah Naidu,Dwaram Ventaswami Naidu,Manikonda Chalapathi Rao and Dasari Narayana Rao. Also noticed that some other famous Balija Naidu names like Pawankalyan(actor),Allu Ramalingaiah(actor),Kaikala Sathya narayana(actor),Allu Aravind(Producer)and AM Rathnam(Producer) figured in the wikipedia articles.I believe all these people can be included in the list of Naidu wikipedia.

1. Please remember to sign your messages on Talk pages with four tildes: ~~~~
2. If you add these people in the correct places, with the correct formatting (spaces, brackets, etc.) then feel free to do so. Otherwise, I'll do it when I have a moment. (You might like to start by formatting them on this page, to make sure that you're doing it correctly.) --Mel Etitis (Talk) 22:19, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Mel Etitis .Thanks again for the suggestion. Again famous Balija Naidu names were removed from the list eventhough their names appeared in wikipedia for reference.

You seem determined to ignore what I say, but I'll try again:

1. Please remember to sign your messages on Talk pages with four tildes: ~~~~
2. Did you link them using square brackets, so that it could be seen that they have articles in Wikipedia? (Did you format the lists correctly, as I explained above?) --Mel Etitis (Talk) 08:49, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Square brackets and 4 tildes were used and believe that formatting was done properly for the new list of candidates. Inspite of this the new list was removed from Naidu wikipedia . What could be the reason? If still not done properly can you help adding the list of candidates that was removed ;who figured in wikipedia.65.24.145.57 04:22, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Signing is for Talk pages, not for articles — you placed your signature in at least three places in the article. The list was also rather a mess, contained red links, links to redirects, and formatting problems (lack of spaces, capitalisation, etc.); I removed it so that I caould work on it and replace it (which I've now done). It still needs putting into proper order, though (alphabetical, at least). --Mel Etitis (Talk) 10:57, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Mel Etitis thank you 65.24.145.57 14:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

The title Naidu is generally or more prominently used by Kapu caste and its subcastes(Telaga/Balija/Ontari) people in Andhra and Tamilnadu.this articale seems to sidetrack that fact and show a bias towards Kamma/Velama caste..I doubt the nuetrality of this article...Pls refer to The kapu caste page on wikipedia for more info on this —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.80.89.144 (talk) 01:31, 16 September 2007 (UTC) le Also the statement that In Chennai Naidu title is used by the Reddies is wrong as Reddy itself is not a caste its a title which means village head and there r many su-castes within Reddies who don't intermarry with each other.SO the auther's view to undermine the use of Naidu title wrt Kapus/Telagas/Balijas is clearly evident...for more info u can refer to Reddy caste page here in wikipedia..also pls make sure that the correct facts r presented in this article without shwing any prejudice towards kamma community...

NAIDU as HONORIFIC TITLE

There is absolutely no doubt that most Kammas(older generations) of Rayalaseema use Naidu as their honorific title. But, Naidu in general is used by Balaji/Kapu throughout South India. We have to accept that fact that Naidu is a honorific title and not a caste surname. Its not just Kammas , Kapus, Balijas which use this title. There are scores of other communities which use Naidu as honorific title. Now, the point is "Naidu" is "Honorific Title" and is not a caste name. No one can deny this. This is analogous to "Duke" , "Lord" of English people. Now a days most of the communities(while naming present generations) discontinuing using this title.

Bottom-line and Fact: "Naidu" and other similar titles like Nayudoo, Nayak etc, "Rao" , "Rayudu" are "Honorific Titles". This can’t be said with title "Reddy". Which also "appears" to be a "Honorific Title" as most of the people with such a surname has Family Name too, though very less frequently used by other community members.

Conclusion: 1. Not all Naidus are Kapus or Kammas or Balijas and NOT all Kammas , Kapus , Balijas are Naidus. Neither it’s a de facto caste name nor it’s a de facto caste surname. 2. Most Reddys are Rayalaseema Kapus or their descendents . Most(more than 9x% Rayalaseema Kapus use this title) and hence become a de facto caste name/surname. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Indo.gypsy (talk • contribs) 07:45, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

NAIDU TITLE

I FULLY AGREE WITH THE ABOVE STATEMENTS.IT IS AN UNDENYING FACT THAT THE TITLE NAIDU IS PREDOMINENTLY USED BY KAPU CASTE(BALIJA/TELAGA/ONTARI) IN ANDHRA PRADESH,TAMIL NADU,KARNATAKA,ORISSA ,KERALA AND MAHARASHTRA.IN ANDHRA PRADESH KAPU CASTE REPRESENTS 35% OF POPULATION AND USES TERM "NAIDU" NOT ONLY AS TITLE BUT ALSO AS CASTE PROPER. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.24.136.234 (talk) 19:44, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

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There seems to be vandalising happening to this article as some kamma's writers started diverting the fact that Naidu is common title beloning to kapu caste which constitute 25% of state population. Usage of Naidu title by Kamma in Rayalaseema is not ruled out but their population is nothing to assert that it is their primary caste title 68.38.78.103 18:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC) John

Dear John ( assuming that is your real name ) , just because some caste is 25% of the population does not mean , historical caste names can be simply subverted. History is history. Naidu may be predominantly used by Kapu's but that does not make them the only caste. In historic times, Kamma's , Velama's ( Yerran Naidu for e.g. ) and even Yadava's had that title. Just google for matrimonial and you will see many Yadava Naidu's ( these are totally unrelated to Kamma's or Balija's or Kapu's ) . Population % cannot be used to 'assert' a caste Title. In any case, all titles are disappearing nowadays , so discussions like above are just going to become moot and mere academic discussions . IMHO, any caste that is desperate to claim some superiority by hook or crook usually means inferiority complex. - Krishna C. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ckrishnamoorthy (talk • contribs) 05:42, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Who are the descendents of Kayasthas in Andhra pradesh ?

Is it true that Kayasthas(worshippers of Chitragupta) from North India had migrated to South India along with Buddhist folks in pursuit of their livelihood during the period of Kakatiya dynasty and seved under Kakatiya rulers ? It appears that one or two chieftains emerged from them with the mercy of Kakatiya kings and one of the chieftains was ungrateful and turned against queen Rudrama Devi to usurp the land ( who was promptly quelled by the queen ). There are opinions that these folks adopted Telugu culture and evolved into a different caste. Any information about the descendents of Kayasthas that so migrated and their connection to the newly evolved caste in Telugu land ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.24.136.141 (talk) 04:08, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Request for WikiProject India

This article is under copyedit status (I'm working on it presently), and I have some concerns. I have very little knowledge of what this article is about! It needs references and an external link makeover... I can probably fix external links and inter-wiki links at the bottom. But I can't really help you with references, currently labeled in a cheap list of sources used. Thanks. --Belinrahs (talk) 14:08, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Are nayaks and naidu same? I thoguht they were different. I don't htink it makes sense to merge the two as they both have different cultures.

• • The Nayaks mentions Naidu as being very much related/same. I found it correct to request merge. --Belinrahs (talk) 21:47, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

COI

I have placed COI due to people angry about the reference of the Kamma (and at one point Kapu) castes being the "owners" of this caste. People who I have determined to either belong to these castes or have much knowledge pertaining to this and other castes have said this above (they have said these things under annoymous IP's). Someone that is both an experienced Wikipedia editor and that has verifiable evidence of facts are cordially invited to fix this :) --Belinrahs (talk) 21:54, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Nayak/ Naik different from Naidu

The title Naidu is most prevalent in Andhra Pradesh. There also exists a title called Naik, which is predominantly used by the Lambadis or Lambanis. So, merging would totally alter the relevance and importance of the word - "Naidu." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.227.53.245 (talk) 09:15, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Are Balija's more in Coimbatore ?

I have removed the Balija inserts/claims, that is being projected as a majority community in Coimbatore district.Well,I am no caste fanatic,but since being from that district all I can say is that Balija's are not much in numbers (has very few families in that district),while Kamma's are in significant percentage (~30%).Some user seems to be obsessed with the never dying job of inserting Balijism in all sites related to Telugu people.I am very much sure that that user is not from that district,but is hell bent on inserting the Balijaism into every Telugu portal. Its high time that the administrators should take care of such vandalism and fanatical claims.If that user is sure about what he is upto ,then let him insert proof on such claims.

Fort5000 (talk) 16:41, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Coimbatore Naidu's are Kamma Naidu's, Baliga's are not much in that district. There are Balija's in Salem area though. I know because i am a Kamma Naidu from TamilNadu. Having said that , many of the telugu speaking castes like Kamma's, Balija's , Velamas , Gavaras, call themselves Naidu's only in TN , but if you want to know someones actual caste, you will have ask further. Cheers!

Idiotic Balija inserts

Some people from Kamma community are vandalising and try to change the history. Kamma caste is infact not even 200 years old. Where as Reddy, Balija (Kapu) are pre-historic. Some Kammas are too funny and they try to tag Chowdary as their caste title. Actually Chowdaries are from muslim and north Indian based title. With media power Kammas are trying to change the history highlighting they are savours but that is not correct. Actually a few decades back there were stories saying Kamma caste evolved from Land lord Kapu (Balija) men and village prostitutes of lower caste women. Later Kammas put some hard work and now in a very better status than Kapus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2404:E800:E602:2BF:D0A6:C098:B900:AA0B (talk) 14:49, 13 November 2016 (UTC) Some stupid guy has vandalised the entire article - making only Balija information prominent. This is an encyclopedia and that dumb-head should remember that this is not the place for bombastic Balija claims. However Balijas are what they are - no matter what is written here. This only helpd Balija's -become the butt of joke.

With all due respect ( and no offence meant to to any caste), inserting false claims all over internet including Wiki just because some one has an internet connection, is only showing the inferiority complex of that caste ( whether it is Balija or some other caste ). Like it was said above rightly, if you insert stupid and unsubstantiated text, you generally become butt of joke and usually no one will take these guys seriously!.

VANDALISM

This page seems to be hijacked by members of a certain community with anonymous IDs who are hell bent to make Nayaka/Naidu/Naicker as a caste title or worse,the name of a caste just because they are the single largest community using this title.The fact is that Naicker is a honorofic title used by members of many communities including Tamil,Telugu,Kannada and Tribal groups as a legacy of Vijayanagara Period.For example,Tamil speaking Agnikula Kshatriyas frequently use Naicker and Nayakan as titles in Tamil Nadu.

Raghavan2010 (talk) 13:09, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Would like to add one more thing:Just because Vijayanagara Kings had martial relations with Nayaks from a particular caste doesn't mean they become a part of that caste.There are enough proofs that Sangama and Saluva dynasties were from the Kuruba Community while Tuluva and Aravidu dynasties were Bunts and Rajus respectively.

Raghavan2010 (talk) 13:09, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Valuable and very informative wiki articles are being targeted and ruined by a certain vandal. This vandalizing happened to Naidu,Kapu caste,Madurai Nayaks,Thanjavur Nayaks,Nayaks wikis etc recently . Hope this would not happen again.

Much Cleaner Article Now

At last the "Naidu" wikipage is clean with just the appropriate information. Earlier all Tom, Dick & Harrys were inserting their castes into the Naidu title, especially the Balija fanatic. Hope the administrators help maintain the article , the way it is now. --G27 (talk) 17:30, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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Need citations and sources.

Last edited at 12:36, 21 September 2009 (UTC). Substituted at 00:47, 30 April 2016 (UTC)

Caste & Classication of Andhra Pradesh

http://scnc.ukzn.ac.za/doc/SHIP/CasteFinal.htm