Talk:Straight Outta Lynwood

Polka Tracklist is NOT correct

Two songs ("Feel Good Inc." and "Slither") are *NOT* included on the final pressing of the CD that will be availble in stores on September 26th. I made a note on the tracklist section. (I have a OFFICIAL RETAIL copy of the album (and the CD is VERY good!!) so do NOT try and change this.

• That's not supported by Yankovic's own website, which lists both of those songs as part of "Polkarama!". --keepsleeping slack off! 23:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Even if it were true, it's not verifiable. --Maxamegalon2000 02:45, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

LOL...I have the RETAIL CD...you guys need to chill out.

Again, it's not verifiable. --Maxamegalon2000 03:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Fake Tracklist

There's a tracklist floating around the internet for this album that, basically, isn't true. It was posted on the WeirdAlForum as a screenshot to Amazon.com, but was later found out to be a fake. The tracklist includes songs such as "The Bed Bugs Bite" and "Trapped in the Polka". If this list gets posted on this page, please do delete. Thanks. User:John f 11:27, 5 August 2006

Green Day Parody

Any guesses on what it's going to be? I think it'll be a parody of "American Idiot", and be called "American Idol." :P Cloud13 14:41, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

It could be called "American retard" and be about President Bush. haha. dposse 16:27, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

And people wonder why Kerry lost. The above is a perfect example. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jamescush (talk • contribs)

Please use this talk page to discuss improving the article not guessing songs for the album. Thank you. --WillMak050389 16:37, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

• It is quite possible the Taylor Hicks song may be merged with the Green Day song though. -- Riffsyphon1024 04:17, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

i heard the song as well....no real doubt in my mind that its weird al. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.11.100.29 (talk • contribs)

It was leaked onto the internet a few days ago under the name "Canadian Idiot".. not sure it's the real name, but that's the one it has on the internet. Dark Chili 19:53, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Songs Unconfirmed by Al

I don't see a problem with listing songs that other sources have revealed. The firs four songs were revealed in a MySpace bulletin by Chamillionaire, and the lead single even has an article despite the title not yet being revealed by Al. I think it's pretty safe to say that the animators who Al has commissioned to make music videos for him are reputable sources for this information. --Maxamegalon2000 12:53, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Polka Medley

Any info about a Polka medley on this album? P.S. I can almost bet that there will be a parody of Hard Rock Hallelujah by Lordi— Preceding unsigned comment added by Justanotheruser (talk • contribs)

Well, there are already five parodies, and fans know that the six videos on the DVD all belong to original songs. It's pretty well accepted that the 12th song will be a polka, and probably not a Lordi parody. I'm reasonably sure very few Americans even know what the Eurovision Song Contest is. --Maxamegalon2000 18:26, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah,but wasn't the clip a big hit on MTV?If it was it's more likely that Americans will know the song — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justanotheruser (talk • contribs)

Was it? I don't have cable. --Maxamegalon2000 20:22, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Yeah,I think so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justanotheruser (talk • contribs)

The Leaflet

[1] Last time I was there, the World of "Weird Al" Yankovic forums seemed to believe in the authenticity of this supposed Sony promotional flier. I personally think it's probably legit, but that it's also not reputable enough for Wikipedia. I'm willing to go with whatever the consensus is, but I think we either have to accept the leaflet as an appropriate source, and assert in the article that "Polkarama" is a confirmed track, or reject the leaflet, in which case we don't have any polka information. Thoughts? --Maxamegalon2000 03:54, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

• I Just posted a link to Request this song on the dr demento show. ok?

Leaked tracklisting

This post on the snopes.com forums contains what is, supposedly, a tracklisting of the new album, along with short descriptions and lyrical excerpts of many tracks. Normally I'd ignore something like this, but it was posted a full two days before the premiere of Don't Download This Song, and contains a real lyrical excerpt of the song. I know, I know, the forum has an Edit button but I'd like to try to believe this guy...this doesn't sound like something he made up to me. He explains a few posts above the linked one how he came in possession of the disc. Give it a read and post some opinions. :) -CapitalQ 00:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't buy it for a very obvious reason: the poster claims to have received an advance copy of the album a week and a half ago. Why is he/she the only person on the entire Internet to have made such a claim? Promotional CDs, listening copies, review copies, etc., go out dozens or hundreds at a time — and, these days, 0-day groups usually have their hands on them within days or hours. --keepsleeping slack off! 01:22, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

No... it was confirmed on the official Weird Al forum to be legit. I'm adding it to the page. -User:TheLazenby

Could you provide a link to that topic? I'm interested in seeing that. -CapitalQ 02:38, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Can't just give you one, because you need to be a member to enter that particular section. Sign up, then go into "Music & Record", then the newly revealed "Spoilers" section. -User:TheLazenby

I registered, and you are indeed, correct. A veteran of the forum (TMBJohn) was sent the song "White & Nerdy" by the woman who posted the tracklisting on Snopes, confirming its validity. -CapitalQ 12:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I can confirm that he was sent the song, and that it is indeed legitimate (and a pretty good song too). Even so, I don't think we can use the information. While we all may be reasonably confident that the info is legit, I don't think that Wikipedia should be as confident. In theory, the source could be a plant sent by Weird Al to give false information, armed with a trinket of evidence to appear legit. --Maxamegalon2000 18:17, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

From Wikipedia:Reliable_sources#Bulletin_boards.2C_wikis_and_posts_to_Usenet: "Posts to bulletin boards, Usenet, and wikis, or messages left on blogs, should not be used as primary or secondary sources. This is in part because we have no way of knowing who has written or posted them, and in part because there is no editorial oversight or third-party fact-checking.". — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 18:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

I was sent White And Nerdy also, so I can also confirm that it is legit. I'm not going to revert this though. I don't know what is conscidered speculation arround here. the least that could happen is it could be added with the disclaimer that it might not be accurate. Also, User:TheLazenby, there is no "official Weird Al forum" and it was never "confirmed as legit" by ANY official source. weirdalforum.com is a fan based community, Although Bermuda (Al's drummer) does post there occasionally. He was seen online while this info was getting arround, but he did not post to confirm or deny it. Technically this is all speculation. And I suppose the reason she has the CD but nobody else does is because she was an intern at the Late Show with David Letterman. I can see them getting the cd before some of the record companies even do.--Weirdal 21:31, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

• Isn't this illegal? (listen to don't download this song to find out) -Yoda's

More or less. --Maxamegalon2000 19:35, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

• Maxamegalon, thank gosh your online-can you please post the lyrics to canadian idiot? I'm not downloading it because of copyright. And how dd you get it, anyway?- Yoda's

Lyrics are copyrighted as well, and the song was leaked via a P2P program. -CapitalQ 20:46, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Tracks Leaked - Official Enough For You?

Sony BMG confirmed this tracklist!

I don't know why people still insist that that tracklist is fake, especially when some songs from it have ended up doing the rounds on the Internet already. Pretty damn legit to me... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.240.12.118 (talk • contribs)

UPDATE - I added "Canadian Idiot" to the songs list; there's no reason for any doubt, considering this song is already circulating, and the voice is obviously Weird Al's. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.240.12.118 (talk • contribs)

I would recommend that people consider that many songs released on the Internet are falsely attributed to Al, and many of them sound like Al. Also, it's not like Al's the only one who came up with the idea of "Canadian Idiot". A quick Google search should make that obvious. Even Uncyclopedia was able to come up with that one. Of course, this doesn't mean that the song in question isn't from Al, but we must consider the reliability of sources. --Maxamegalon2000 01:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Check your own "talk" page, and scroll down to the bottom. If you still argue with me after that, then here's your sign.

I apologize if I implied any lack of intelligence on your part; I was merely noting, as is mentioned at "Weird Al" Yankovic, that many songs have been falsely attributed to Al, many of which are claimed to really really sound like him. I'm sure you read the comment above, that "Posts to bulletin boards, Usenet, and wikis, or messages left on blogs, should not be used as primary or secondary sources. This is in part because we have no way of knowing who has written or posted them, and in part because there is no editorial oversight or third-party fact-checking." Even if you were to send me the song, it would still not be independently verifiable that 1)The song is by Al, and 2)The song is on the album. I don't think I'm being "ridiculously impossible", but rather citing Wikipedia policies regarding verifiability and reputable sources. Personally, I believe that Canadian Idiot is a song on the album, but just because you and I believe something doesn't mean that Wikipedia should say it. I'm sorry if you feel that typing in capital letters, which you have removed from the page, improves the quality of your argument. --Maxamegalon2000 03:04, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

But why wouldn't you believe that something is on the album, if people have actually HEARD the album? Trust me - more people have heard that promo version than just that woman, even though people don't like to admit it. I just find it extremely hard to dispute that woman if she correctly stated the lyrics to THREE songs before they were even available to anyone else - especially "Don't Download This Song". And I don't know why "Close, But No Cigar" wouldn't be in the list of 'songs definitely on the album', if they're making a music video for it. And though people here dispute it, that forum *is* the official Weird Al forum, and is even publicized as such on Al's own site. And yes, I would really appreciate it if you went to that link I posted on your talk page. And if, after that, you still think that song's fake, then you obviously cannot recognize Al's voice and thus should not be controlling this page.

I think you may be confused. I have listened to the song and agree that it is almost certainly by Al, and almost certainly going to be on the album. I have never asserted that the song is fake. I'm guessing, however, that you haven't read the relevant policies: Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:Reliable sources, and Wikipedia:No original research. Even if the woman's post has been correct so far, it is not Wikipedia's place to assert that the rest of it will be as well until another source asserts it first. Even if the forum were referred to as official, there has been no word from Al or any other official or reliable source regarding the song. As for "Close, But No Cigar", sources agree that the song exists and that there is a video for it, but not that the song is going to be on the album. This is the standard of sources that Wikipedia insists on. If you have a problem with Wikipedia's policies, this article is not the place to express them. --Maxamegalon2000 03:21, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

And no, weirdalforum.com is NOT the official Weird Al forum. You say it's publicized as such on weirdal.com, but here is what the site has to say about it in the "links" page: "The World of "Weird Al" Yankovic Forums - fast & easy to use (and moderated!)". That does NOT make it official by any means. Whizzi runs the forum and he isn't affiliated officially with the band WHATSOEVER. Personally, I've heard these two tracks and they are most certainly by Al, but we must conform to wikipedia's guidelines, which state that anything posted on a message board by an unconfirmed source is not official information. Therefore, that information does not belong here untill something official is released.--Weirdal 03:29, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

But what's the point in not listing "Canadian Idiot", if it's 100% certain that that is the title of the Green Day parody?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.253.37.233 (talk • contribs)

See Wikipedia:Verifiability. — pd_THOR ^{| =/\=} | 00:11, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

All songs are not only confirmed on Sony BMG's site, but also Weird Al's own - [2]

No, as you can see from above, such useless things as "official websites" and "press releases" do not follow WP:V. To comply with WP:V, you must get the signature of Weird Al, his band, every artist parodied, their friends and direct relatives, and their pets. (Wikipedia: Imposing Red Tape Since 1998, Just Because We Can™) - Kookykman|(t)e 22:36, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Verifiability

I really don't think we should be invoking WP:IAR to go against WP:V. I'd like to make it clear again that I have the same beliefs about the accuracy of the snopes.com tracklist as everyone else, but that the question here is one of Wikipedia policies. The snopes.com tracklist comes from a message board, which is not a reputable source. The corroborating evidence is certainly becoming more strong every time new information surfaces, but to infer that this leads to a greater credibility for the tracklist is original research, which is also not allowed. I do not think the article suffers at all if we wait for better sources for the information. David Lovelace has indicated that the animators for the music videos have been given permission to reveal the titles of the songs they are animating, so it is likely that there will be plenty of information before the album is released. --Maxamegalon2000 18:33, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

No one can possibly appreciate the amount of relief I feel now that the tracklist can be included. However, I'd like to point out that we still don't have a source for the songs included in the polka medley, or even that the song is a polka. I think we might have to wait until the album is released to get that information. --Maxamegalon2000 17:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

It's called "POLKArama", for God's sakes! IT'S THE POLKA! [personal attack removed]

White and Nerdy stream - legal?

A link was posted on the main article today (diff) containing a stream of White and Nerdy. I know nothing about this website (HipHopDX.com), so does anyone know if this stream is legal? I don't see anything about user-uploaded music on the site so I'm leaning towards yes...but it seems like an odd place for Al to premiere a song is all. -CapitalQ 11:09, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

illegal. it was not premired on there. looks like some fan jut trying to spread the leaked song. --Weirdal 17:15, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Proof? -CapitalQ 21:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Dual Disc Specs

Does anyone know what the resolution and bits per sample will be on the 5.1 mix? I'm hoping something like 24-bit 96 kHz, but it might end up being 16/24-bit 48 kHz. If anyone knows, please add this tidbit to the page. koolman2 11:46, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Pretty much all known information regarding the release is listed on the page. Try checking the specs for other recent Sony DualDiscs with 5.1 mixes. -CapitalQ 00:49, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Style parodies

I've removed the "style parody of. . ." lines in the track listing. Some of them, of course, are obvious (the Cake and Rage Against the Machine ones in particular), but it's original research to put it in the article without citations that they are, indeed, style parodies of those artists. As I understand it, though, this album will actually credit the style-parody inspirations (unlike previous "Weird Al" albums), so once it comes out the article can use the album credits as a source. --keepsleeping slack off! 15:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

DMX

Year_of_the_Dog...Again Album covers look similar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.167.138.194 (talk • contribs)

I agree, but let's be on the lookout for a source that says so, otherwise we probably shouldn't add it. --Maxamegalon2000 02:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

There's no official confirmation that the sample is "Black Dog" either... and why was "Style parody of Brian Wilson" removed? THAT WAS CONFIRMED!

Brian Wilson is still mentioned in the song description section. I guess we're not supposed to have so many notes in the tracklist section. As for "Black Dog", I suppose now that the album's been leaked it would be hard to deny that fact. I'm kinda torn myself, so I won't revert any changes either way. --Maxamegalon2000 02:55, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Leak date.

How fair is it for the leak date to be posted in album articles? This only encourages piracy.

Not at all. People will download it regardless of what wikipedia says. They'll just keep searching the file sharing programs anyway. --66.169.14.5 22:54, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Leaks

What's with all the leaks on this album? Mistakes? Surveilannce? Sabotage? - Kookykman|(t)e 02:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)