Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nazism in the United States

Nazism in the United States

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A clearly broken page, with many WP:NPOV violations, and almost seems like an attack page at times. —JJBers 02:52, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

• Note To really explain what I'm trying to say, see WP:JUNK, an essay. —JJBers 02:54, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
• Certainly needs major WP:CLEANUP, so before going too far with this AfD I recommend perusing WP:AADD. So, my !vote is Keep. – S. Rich (talk) 03:01, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
• Keep, Look at the history. One add information supported by sources, the other delete because his heart can not tolerates historical facts that indicates that America could have been contaminated by the Nazism. Where is the support (books, news article, etc) that basis the systematic destruction of the article? "I don't like it" is not a good reason. Show us the source that contradicts the statements. This is not Russia or China. This is the Wikipedia. Dr. Loo^{Talk to me} 03:17, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

• It is best not to ascribe motives to the contributions of editors -- you have no way of knowing what is in an editor's "heart", and should assume good faith about their purpose in adding or removing material from the article. Beyond My Ken (talk) 04:06, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

This is 'professional level English'? --Tarage (talk) 04:34, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

• Weak keep – "Weak" only because the article at this moment is extremely deficient. The subject, however, is a legitimate one, Nazism (and Fascism in general) has been a consistent fringe political belief in the US since the rise of Hitler. Whether it is a coatrack of another article, I don't know -- will someone please specify what article that is? This article in its expanded form will probably overlap significantly with German American Bund, Neo-Nazism and other articles, but if it brings together these subjects and presents them together in their historical context, it would be a worthwhile addition to the encyclopedia. It is most assuredly not that now, but this simply means that editors who are knowledgeable about the subject need to expand it into what it can (and should) become. Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:48, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

"Coatrack of an article? First you'll have to explain what you mean by this.

As to "what it can ...become" What should it become that is not completely covered now by three better articles? Anmccaff (talk) 05:33, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

• Delete Far too many issues/redundancies to fix. Merge it in with Antisemitism in the United States. --Tarage (talk) 04:32, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
• Keep per the "see also" section of the article. Nazism in the States has existed in multiple forms and while this article is not great now, deletion is not the answer: cleanup is. Having an article that presents an accurate synthesis of Nazism in the United States is absolutely warranted on Wikipedia, and it doesn't fall foul of any of WP:NOT in an irredeemable way. Since it doesn't fail NOT, and most certainly passes GNG, I can't see a reason not to have it. TonyBallioni (talk) 04:43, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
• Delete. There is no portion of this article that should not be legitimately covered by en.wiki's articles on the Bund and on Neonazism. If there is anything in this article not there now that belongs, merge it. For other countries, Germany and Austria most obviously, where there was a continuous nazi movement, a single article makes good sense, but WWII was almost completely disruptive to US nazoids. Anmccaff (talk) 05:33, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
• Delete as it stands the article would need to be gutted and built from the ground up. If someone wants to step up and take this under their wing I would say keep it provisionally, but short of that the article could always be constructed again at a later date. Tivanir2 (talk) 07:37, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
• Keep The article as it is now is crap, but the same was true (arguably truer -- even the title was ungrammatical) last September when there was (weak) consensus to keep. Hijiri 88 (聖やや) 07:42, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't buy that logic. If it was crap last September and it's still crap, that means that it's not going to improve. --Tarage (talk) 08:16, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Then the people who think it is crap should be trying to improve it, not delete it. Now I have no idea how bad it was last September, but Hijiri88 seems to imply it has improved.Slatersteven (talk) 10:00, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

It's not the job of the people who want it deleted to improve it. If the people who voted to keep it can't improve it enough to the point that it deserves to be kept, then it shouldn't be kept. --Tarage (talk) 10:25, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

It is the job of everyone. Indeed I seem to recall that you should only nominate and vote for delete after making an earnest attempt to look for sources and improve an article.Slatersteven (talk) 10:30, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

• Keep As others have said, it is not that this is not a real subject, just that the article needs work. It's not as if Wikipedia is not fuill of other kinds of "XXX on XXX" type articles, why should Nazism in the USA not have one?Slatersteven (talk) 08:43, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

I support this article for Fascism in the United States and extend it. 201.17.139.105 (talk) 09:54, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

We have two articles that say the same thing (literally it seems, in some instances), these need to be merged.Slatersteven (talk) 10:32, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

It looks like there was a similar article in 2005. Please send his historical archive to Luiz, we need to expand this. 201.17.139.105 (talk) 10:24, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

• Delete per TNT. Also, it is a duplicate. We have the Articles German American Bund, Neo-Nazism, American Nazi Party, and Antisemitism in the United States. d.g. L3X1 (distant write) 12:17, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Fascism is not Germanism, anti-Semitism or National Socialism. Have fun. 201.17.139.105 (talk) 12:34, 7 May 2017 (UTC)