Talk:2017 United Kingdom general election

Problem with the horizontal bar of seats per party

The bar suffer from the usual problem when a party has a very small number of seats : the lenght its percentage give him is smaller than the lenght of the letter written below. The latter then push the colored lenght longer than it should, reducing the others party lenghts. It is visible there by looking at the little arrow above the middle, showing the 50 % of seats limit. Before my edit, the Conservative bar is under the majority limit, when it should be slightly past it given the results of the election. After my edit, it is past the arrow. I even wonder if the length of one letter may already be too much for LD seats, the lettering needing to be made smaller.--Aréat (talk) 20:34, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

There isn't any display issue on my end (it displays as intended: the arrow lies above a majority) and other editors aren't seeing the same, so the problem is probably on your end. Mélencron (talk) 20:36, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Was gonna say the same thing as Mélencron, it's fine for me. -- Tannlos (talk) 20:37, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Not for me (on iPad). If it's not right on some displays, we should change it. Bondegezou (talk) 20:39, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

You're seeing the little downward arrow as being on the left of the blue bar right side?--Aréat (talk) 20:42, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Areat's edit: arrow over the right end of the blue bar. Tannlos' edit: arrow over left end of the grey bar. Bondegezou (talk) 20:46, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps we should detach the party labels from the coloured bars altogether? What if we just had the colours, perhaps with a separate legend next to it? -- Tannlos (talk) 20:49, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

That would work, or just detach the ones that don't fit. Bondegezou (talk) 20:54, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

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style="background:Template:Conservative Party (UK)/meta/color; width:50.8%;" | 330

28

style="background:Template:Liberal Democrats (UK)/meta/color; width:1.2%;" | 9

style="background:Template:Scottish National Party/meta/color; color:black; width:8.6%;" | 54

style="background:Template:Labour Party (UK)/meta/color; width:35.7%;" | 229

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Does this sit well with you all? Feel free to edit -- Tannlos (talk) 21:03, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Why make things complicated when, as far as I know, just writting a few letter vertically is enough?--Aréat (talk) 21:41, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Because, as you said yourself, "I even wonder if the length of one letter may already be too much", so this is a solution that isn't tied to the length of the party name. -- Tannlos (talk) 21:53, 1 May 2017 (UTC)

Although it is fine on my end as well with the party names attached to the bar template, this looks to be a nice solution for this relatively small problem - Skuipers (talk) 10:02, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm happy with either Tannlos's or Aréat's solution. Bondegezou (talk) 11:07, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Visually, I personally prefer Tannlos's solution – it allows the bars to scale well on all resolutions. Mélencron (talk) 14:00, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Isn't there tools to simply make the text smaller, though? It looked better before, in my opinion.--Aréat (talk) 19:50, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Done - Skuipers (talk) 15:57, 13 May 2017 (UTC)

Not standing against the Speaker

It briefly appeared as if the LibDems would stand against the Speaker, but that's not happening. We had a short paragraph about it, but I deleted it a few days ago as a non-event. Ebonelm recently restored the material here, saying "interesting information regarding convention".

It would be interesting, I suggest, were it happening, but it's not. It was reported by a local paper, but was reversed the next day. I've not seen any significant coverage of this. It just looks like a massive non-event to me. Can we re-delete? We can simply have a sentence about how parties don't usually stand against the Speaker if the convention warrants explanation. Bondegezou (talk) 14:27, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

If it was happening it would be notable. It's not happening so it's not notable. Re-delete.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:29, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Done -- Tannlos (talk) 15:12, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I agree with Bondegezou; it seems to be a total non-story, and I'm not sure if it's even been replicated outside of this one local paper. — Richard BB 17:13, 2 May 2017 (UTC)

Campaign section rework

In the Campaign section, I'm wondering if splitting by parties is being overly restrictive. For example, rather than my recent edits it would have been neater to have said "Following the local elections, Labour proposed [tax policy], the Conservatives focused on [mental health policy] while the Lib Dems committed to [pensions policy]. The Archbishops also intervened, raising..." etc.

Equally I'm not sure adding to the "Background" section is sufficient. I see in the 2010 general election page that they had an "April" and "May" section. Do you think we could repeat? We could keep the "Party campaigns" section if they relate only to eg personnel and machinery, which is really what it started as if I recall right. SocialDem (talk) 18:51, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

Agree with all that. Bondegezou (talk) 20:05, 7 May 2017 (UTC)

NHS?

The NHS - though not mentioned at all - is probably the second biggest issue in this election (after Brexit). Today we have had the Green Party standing down, and Labour and Lib Dems saying they won't campaign against Dr Irving (National Health Action Party), who is trying to unseat Jeremy Hunt (current Health Minister). 109.147.66.215 (talk) 15:10, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Do you have citations on the not campaigning bit?

More broadly, yes, we should be covering the NHS and its role in the campaign, with the LibDems' 1p on income tax proposal, and Labour's proposal on hospital parking fees. Bondegezou (talk) 16:27, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

The not campaigning has now led three members to be expelled from Labour. CarlDurose (talk) 11:54, 9 May 2017 (UTC)

Constituent country election pages!

I need help setting up the pages United Kingdom general election, 2017 (England), United Kingdom general election, 2017 (Wales) and United Kingdom general election, 2017 (Northern Ireland) as nothing has been done so far and are currently redirects, I have tried to get the English page going but there is so much to do and I keep getting reverted, we need these pages and Scotland's page is currently well set up and there are separate pages for the 2015 election in the constituent countries so why not been done so far for the 2017 election especially the Northern Ireland article hasn't even been set up yet. Please can we sort this out. (2A02:C7F:5621:2A00:4CC:B7F5:EAFD:EFA4 (talk) 11:26, 16 May 2017 (UTC))

Why do we need these? Maybe worth looking into once results are in, and if/when this page becomes too large. SocialDem (talk) 12:51, 16 May 2017 (UTC)

Why do we need them? We need them because each of the four countries of the UK tend to vote in different ways now especially given the advent of devolution. Northern Ireland and Scotland have always had their own pages and they need it for this election as well, I can't believe that there is such a lack of enthusiasm that I have to justify the need for those pages, sorry not having a go here or anyone in particular but I am very disappointed at the attitudes being displayed for showing no need or want for those separate articles in one of the most important elections the UK has faced for many decades. (2A02:C7F:5621:2A00:9D97:7143:2DB7:2D00 (talk) 19:39, 16 May 2017 (UTC))