Talk:Motörhead/Archive 1

Genre

Yes, I know they're not a heavy metal band, but they are percieved as such by a lot of people. There have been numerous discussions about this, but until some final conclusion is made, lets leave it at heavy metal. Roda 19:52, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Most people would classify them as heavy metal or speed metal. NOT rock and roll. It really doesn't matter what the band thinks - Slipknot can think they are metal, but that won't make them metal, right? Same thing goes for these guys. Musically it is so similar to speed/heavy metal, and unlike rock and roll (in it's speed and distorted-ness, etc.) So to whomever finds it necessary to change to genre to rock and roll, stop, or you will be reported for revert abuse.

i changed it back so that "rock" wasnt there i hope they dont revert it again--Valf 22:55, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, leave it as Metal. Just who are the gods who decree what is metal or not? For arguments sake, how come Motorhead appear on every "Metal" compilation ever produced (usually Ace Of Spades) and every documentary about Heavy Metal ever produced has an interview with Lemmy? I've always classed it as Heavy Metal, maybe out of convenience, because Hard Rock is so broad. I mean, it could be Slade ffs! As for Lemmy saying they are "just rock n' roll" - he probably learnt from an early age not to enter into any pointless arguments about genre which, at the end of the day, does not matter. 193.238.233.2 14:11, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Just thought it'd be good to mention that they are considered to be proto-thrash metal (as it is mentioned in the article on thrash metal). IMHO, classifying them as hard rock (as somebody did it) is at least strange, but I didn't remove it. 83.237.200.102 12:51, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

One Bold Step: Moving this line to discussion page:

AC/DC referred to Motörhead as,"the only band louder than us". 

It just doesn't seem like it belongs here. Not gonna just nix it, because certainly its verity holds a certain amount of weight, and should not be dismissed lightly. Would have posed this to the discussion page before removing it from the article, but since there was not yet a discussion page for this article I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that no one's going to give too much of a fuck. Discuss. - :)Ozzyslovechild 01:31, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I've listened to AC/DC. These guys are a lot better. They have a type of GG Allin cocky-attitude crap lyric, mixed with a bit of judas priest and metallica. Mixed with some awesome guitar riffs. I'm glad I found this band. This is rock and roll. --Cyberman 07:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't say they were better than the 'head, just different! When you talk about 70s and 80s 'metal', these two names are bound to come up. Basically, because they are legends. 193.238.233.2 15:39, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Most of Motorhead's songs greatly differ from what they usually call "heavy metal". I suggest adding "speed metal" and "thrash metal" to the genre list. Vast majority of their songs belong to speed metal (earlier ones) or proto-thrash metal (later ones), and they have a number of almost pure thrash songs as well. Some people consider them to be speed-thrash (like Metallica, with the difference that Metallica intentionally mixed thrash with speed metal, while Motorhead are a band playing speed metal which is close to thrash - but not thrash yet).

It should be deleted

I think Motörhead doesn't need to be compared to AC/DC.

Compilations

* The Chase Is Better Than The Catch (2000; compilation)
* Over The Top - The Rarities (2000; compilation)
* All The Aces (2001; compilation)

These are not official compilations, so they can't be put in the official discography. - Roda, 17:02, July 13, 2005 (UTC).

Blue letter day

With a small and fairly rubbish article on Pete Gill, the page now has no dead links. Alf 00:43, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Singles

• In reply to my email asking about the status of copyright on lyrics, I received this reply from the webmaster of Motorhead's Official Site "All of the songs are copyrighted and there would be a problem reproducing them. However, we do provide them on the official site at www.imotorhead.com. Maybe you could just link to them?". I will attempt further personal communication later this year. Alf 10:19, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
• Grammarians - The titles of the albums, singles and EPs are 'as is', even if the English is wrong, that's what their titles are. Alf 18:27, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Template

I'm working on a template for the discography, I must admit, it's a bit garish and big, it's in my sandbox, if people would like to comment here, I'd be grateful. Thanks. Alf 11:03, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Template added, no longer in my sandbox, please comment anyway. Alf 14:53, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

I expanded the template by adding the former members. I hope you like it. Roda 19:19, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Yup that's fine by me, Rick Block gave his advice to keep it minimal and if you'd seen what I'd made, you'd agree! It's still nice and tidy. Rick did that one for free! Alf ^melmac 20:27, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

I notice the template found it's way to Eddie, so I put it on Philthy as well - as they, with the man, are the classic line-up. I'm hesistant about putting on the other guys, although Wurzel is tempting me. POV check please. Alf ^melmac 20:46, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Nice article

I enjoyed this article - nice work.

Clean up of the History section

The main reason why I added the clean up template is because the section is really not written in a quality manner.For example: the bigger half of the section is about the "classic era" of the band (1976-1982). Second, Pete Gill is not even mentioned (Phil Taylor quits in 1983 in one sentence, but he is fired in 1992 in a following sentence). The trouble with record labels - for more than 10 years the band had trouble finding a "normal" label (1984 - 1994/5). For the reasons stated, I think this section should be completely rewritten and expanded. (In my opinion, the section should be modeled by the Metallica page) User:Roda 19 December, 2005 22:09 (UTC)

You're quite right, by comparison it needs a big re-write, I'm copying the section to a new sandbox, Phil did leave in 1983, he realised his mistake, rejoined the band and was fired in 1992. I'll make that clearer somehow. If anyone wants to help expand and play with it there for a bit, that would be good. Alf ^melmac 22:22, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

School is over by the end of the week, and since I'll have 3 weeks off, I'll try to write a completely new article. User:Roda 20 December, 2005 08:07 (UTC)

This is looking pretty good now ... at least to me. I suggest that the cleanup tag be removed, but will await views on this before doing so. One thing the "history" section could do with is a bit more structure, i.e. some sub-headings, etc., but that's not so much a cleanup issue. Metamagician3000 09:45, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Line-ups

I intend to write a better section than was previously there, I'm still working on lists at the moment. I'll move the band members to that section when it's done. --Alf ^melmac 20:18, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Erlewine

Will people plllleeeeeeeeeeeease stop quoting bloody Allmusic because they're too idle to look up a reputable critic? No-one cares what Stephen "I hate music" Erlewine thinks.

Popularity

"The band's mainstream success has dwindled since the late 1980s"

I would like to query this line as over the last couple of years in particular in the UK the band have bounced back to a wider audience and the Inferno album is critically acclaimed with the Heavy Metal scene. Their American and European profile is also at something of a peak just now and the band are held in a form of reverence akin to the status of AC/DC, Ozzy, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest etc. There should be a bit of rewrite at the end to acknowledge the fact that the band is on the up again. The term "mainstream" for this type of band is a bit grey as many Heavy Metal bands don't release singles or they are pretty much ignored while still selling millions of albums and having huge sell out tours.

You know, it would be nice if you signed your comments (that is, of course, if you are registered). It's not so hard - just type four tildes. Roda 21:53, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

I speak from personal experience, I was with Motorhead right up until 1916 and then didn't buy anything after that until this year when I filled in all the gaps in one go! Mainly because they were becoming too popular! I would say they were perceived to be trying to appeal to the mainstream in the late 80s and early 90s and when that failed, they reverted to form from Bastards onwards. I regret not keeping up with them in the meantime, but am making ammends now. Besides, in England at least, commercial failure just makes a fella into a Cult figure! 193.238.233.2 15:44, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Lemmy probably doesn't pronounce the name /'məʊtəhɛd/. /ə/ would actually be a completely acceptable and common pronounciation of germanic "ö". Also the transcription is clearly phonematic, so it should be given as ['məʊtəhɛd]. -- bkhl 16:07, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Trivia section

Been thinking about this for some time. I'll add more stuff soon! Roda 15:42, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

There, I've added some. I'll add more when I have the time. Roda 16:08, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Motorhead in WWE

Does this really need to be a seperate paragraph, and indeed the second section in the article? It would seem to be more appriopriate either as part of the Trivia section or as a Motorhead in Popular Culture section. S.Skinner 16:42, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

I tend to agree with this, but mainly because of my aversion to this "sport". I may be biased! 193.238.233.2 14:57, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Dirty Love album, circa 1988/89

I've got this album, I'm pretty sure it's a Castle cash-in job, but I will dig it out over the weekend. It basically contained about 10 tracks which must have been recorded around 79/80 because it has a demo version of Ace Of Spades and some others off that album under a different name. Really basic production, but pretty good stuff. Where would this fit into the discography and would you mind if I added it, or at least gave you the details to add (I'm very new to wiki!). Wouldn't want to mess this excellent article up! 193.238.233.2 14:34, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

it would go under 'EPs'

There are many non-sanctioned releases of Motorhead stuff, we have only included the officially released stuff. --Alf ^melmac 13:49, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

SummerSlam Pay-Per-View

can anyone varifie the track called "Heat of the Day"?

lineups

line numer 6 and number 8 are the same: Lemmy, Phil Campbell, Wurzel, and "Philthy Animal" Taylor.

yes that's how they are listed in the Collector's Guide to Motorhead (which was written by Alan Burridge, who also runs the Motorheadbangers, the official motorhead fan club), essentially the choice of Pete Gill in the interim didn't work out and they got Phil back. --Alf ^melmac 13:48, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

PS if we do change the line up numbers then we have to carefully follow the same for the line up references in the discography listings too. --Alf ^melmac 14:00, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

already did all of that