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Article about a non-notable "academic", who is dean of a business school at Los Angeles University, which is a degree mill. Already deleted twice via AfD, but speedy was declined because this recreation is apparently not substantially identical to the last one. Cordless Larry (talk) 05:55, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the same editor has created Draft:Los Angeles University and Draft:The Zionist Billionaires Forum. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:15, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and Salt per nom and prior AfDs. - GretLomborg (talk) 06:24, 12 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hasidim is no longer under the category of academics.

He is in the category of Jewish activists.

There is no issue of copyrights becuase the Zionist Billionaires Website is no longer exist in its present form. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 (talk • contribs) 00:13, 13 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

After the page was taken down about 15 months, here his page appears again, and this time with some 'citations'.

However, those citations are not credible, and once again there is an attempt to use our amazing platform for getting legitimacy to harm innocent people, who do regard Wikipedia as an ultimate source of knowledge - and to some extent in my opinion rightly so.

1) His Full name is Dror Daniel Hasidim. He addopted his middle name as his first name as to not be related to articles where his scams are written about. He imposed as a PhD doctorate from Columbia university who is the representative of Florida and Columbia State universities. For a sum of about 6,000$ he sold degrees to people, mainly public workers, who them claimed a raise in their salary (in Israel, as in some other countries, public sector workers are eligible for a salary raise if they get higher education).

He was not the represenatative of there universities. He just printed the degrees in a printhouse. Judging from his mediocre verbal and very poor written English - there is no doubt he did not complete a doctorate from Columbia University.

Here are links to articles - the first two are from known newspapers, the third is from a small niche site : https://www.haaretz.co.il/misc/1.1077008 http://www.themarker.com/law/1.502808 http://www.nfc.co.il/archive/001-D-92151-00.html?tag=9-20-35

I have the court ruling against one public sector worker who was sued for using the fake degree he purchased to obtain a raise in his salary. There the judge clearly states it was obtained by Hasidim, who did impersonate himself as a business PhD and the represenatator of Florida and Columbia State universities. It is a PDF file. If you regard it as relevant, please let me know where to email it to.

Although the file and the three links are in Hebrew, there are some fellow Hebrew speaking editors who will be able to tell us what's written.

2) He was born in 1968, not 1970. I think if you have access to his deleted profile from about 18 months ago, you will see his year of birth was claimed to be 1972.

We will now tackle the citations/references. There are the numbers of the citation as for the time when this email was written, around midday GMT on Saturday the 15th of July. As he recently often updates his profile, this numbers may get mixed.

Reference 1: The Zionist Billionaires Forum - a non-existent body. Just uses it to give the impression he is in close relationship with billionaires and top politicians.

Reference 2: The source of reference is to a sham 'university' where he is the 'Dean' of the business school. This univesity does not exist. Just an online sham, where he wrote about himself that he holds a doctorate degree, which is the source of reference 'confirming' its validity.

Reference 3: An article by a pretty much unknown (and perhaps somewhat naive) freelance writer, whose article in question appears in a website that ranks 4,480,247 in Alexa.

Reference 4: This is video was uploaded by his brother in law, Sachi Carmeli. Those teenagers look more like afternoon extra class schooling than actual MBA candidates. There is nothing in this video that proofs are even gives a serious impression that this is a lecture of a MBA class.

Reference 5: Luckily for us (and unluckily for Hasidim), there are quite a few Ukrainian speakers outside of Ukraine. The link does not mention that he is a lecturer there, but just that he is the advisor of some person who head the American chapter for promoting the international reach of the university. It is supposed he used his 'position' as the Dean of the non existent Los Angeles University. This is probably part of his plan to get legitimacy by Wikipedia.

Reference 6: The book he claim to have written is 'Raising Children in the Jewish Way' is in fact a what appears to be a very simple copyright infringement of the book 'Raising Your Jewish/Christian Child' by Lee F. Gruzen. If you will follow the citation he used, you can download 'his' book. You will see very clearly in the pdf file that he made a page with his own name and title, and then just one by one scanned pages of the book, which are identical to the original book. https://www.amazon.com/Raising-Your-Jewish-Christian-Child/dp/1557044147

References 7 and 8:

Regarding the other two 'books', seem like an amateurish copy/paste which is more the size of an article rather than a book. I am sure he cannot provide an ISBN number.

Reference 9: There is a similar type of plaigiarism as in Reference 6, but this time from the Israeli author Yael Tal. If you will download 'his' book from the link he provides, you see the page title (probably the 2nd or 3rd inner page of the book) which just the book's title written on it, used as the front page, and his name handwritten. Here is the link to the original book to purchase. http://www.booknet.co.il/prodtxt.asp?id=36700#.WWnhBYTyuUk

Reference 10: Israel-Far East Chamber of Commerce - a non-existent body. The ridiculous 9 years old 1 minute 20 seconds youtube video from a small local town Chinese tv channel is not a source that confirms that whatsoever. It talks about the Israeli city of Ramla.

Reference 11: This 9 years old youtube video just mentions about he delegation of the Israeli city of Ramla he was a part of.

References 12 and 21: The video does not mentioned Hasidim nor anything similar to his claim of 'leading delegations of high-tech companies and agricultural companies from Israel to various places in China'. Just the text above mentions it, while mentioning that he is the director of the (non-existent) Zionist Billionaires Forum. In addition, this website is the one where the plagiarised books appear, which is another indication of how amateur and not reliable this non-Alexa ranked website is.

References 13 and 22: Written by his friend Daniel Galily, who, in the link the the sham 'Los Angeles University' appears as 'Associate Professor' and 'Dean of student affairs'. This guy is only 30. The website he wrote in is not known in Israel and very low ranked. Here is a link by the notorious Haaretz daily which writes about Galily being a 'docotrate' who bought his degree from a non existent university in Hawaii. https://www.haaretz.co.il/blogs/taliherutisover/1.2799661

References 14 and 15: Does not mentioned he was an advisor to any of Israel's Prime Ministers. The two Chinese articles, whose sources cannot be confirmed by the scan, do not mention that. They just mention that he holds a position in the city of Ramla. Please note that Suqian is a tiny pretty much unknown perfecture in China, with about 4 million people. This is very small in Chinese standrads for a city, not to mention for a perfecture.

Reference 16: This is an article he wrote on the same platform as mentioned in references 13 and 22. Small not reliable website, which probably was arranged for him to write by his friend who is also, as mentioned, a holder of a fake degree.

References 17 and 18 and 20: There is nothing which indicates that this scanned paper is from the Maariv newspaper. Can be easily a self created page. My 14 years old daughter can do that. Reference 18 at some place mentioned a prediciotn for 2005, which means that this article is over 12 years old.

Reference 19: Derbi News does not exist and was during its short existence just a local newspaper with very poor circulation, hence its quick demise. It is from 1998, which is contrary to the claim it references "Since the early 2000s he has written articles in the Israeli press..."

Some of the claims above are on their own merrit sufficient to delete this profile and ban it from ever being established again. What this con-artist will do is simply once again attempt to circumvent Wikipedia's restrictions. His malicious intent is very clear. Wikipedia shall not be a platform for conmen to gain legitimacy! Weknowall1968 (talk) 12:16, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

My friend, you make a common mistake. This is not him but his cousin that have the same name.

See: Http://www.news1.co.il/showTalkBack.aspx?docId=92151&subjectId=1&talkBackId=1097014

His cousin was arrested in 2001 and the arrest received wide media attention, but he was not indicted because after examining all the evidence, the prosecution and the police decided to release him.

See: Http://www.tapuz.co.il/forums/viewmsg/434/113646160/%D7%97%D7%95%D7%A7_%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%A9%D7%A4%D7 98% D7% 9% D7% A9% D7% D7% 98% D7% 99% D7% D7% 99% D7% A7% D7% 98% D7% A8% D7% A7% 98% D7% 95% D7% 94% D7% 94% D7% 99% D7% 99-% D7% 98% D7% A7

But I think you're right that it is necessary to add a special paragraph about the incident.

The Zionist billionaires' forum is an existing body. He just restarted his website, that is why you did not find it. I can assure you that he would not have written newspaper articles about him if he did not have an official website.

Hasidim succeeded in establishing this forum due to his family closeness to Israeli billionaire Nissan Khachuri.

See: Http://www.professorhasidim.com/nissan-chakshori-linkedin-recommendations/

The body has a tremendous impact, and if I leave you to talk with the people who work with them you will find that they are not interested in advertising and certainly not in a Wikipedia page.

The University of Los Angeles is an institution established by Chinese Professor Yan Wei (President). The institution was established two years ago and is currently in the process of accreditation by the US Department of Education. But because he was not fully accredited, I did not mention him.

According to the law in the US an academic institution must go a test period for two years before he get full accreditation.

You are right about the page of the Ukrainian institution and it will be amended accordingly.

Daniel Hasidim knew how to write the book about the tips for a better life because, he claims, that during his time as head of the EMBA program in Peking, he spent a lot of time with ancient Chinese Jewish tribes in China who taught him various methods of improving the quality of life.

See: Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU2ZRMbQhKs — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 (talk • contribs) 15:09, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The website of the Israel chamber of commerce in China http://www.ischam.org/

His position in Ramla is mention in source 19.

J-TV is not a small media chennel. He appear on lists of Jewish publications of Jewish communities worldwide.

See: http://www.haruth.com/WWJewishPubs.html

I agreed with your comment on "Derbi News" and so I deleted the source

All the journalistic sources of this value are of newspapers with a circulation of millions of viewers and subscribers. Everything that they upload is reviewed by editors. I do not agree with the claim that the sources are unreliable.

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 (talk • contribs) 17:53, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sir, First of all, the cousin story sounds very unreliable. You did not provide any proof.

You ignore many of the points raised earlier. And the ones you refer to actually make matters worse and further indicate that this profile must be deleted as soon as possible:

Your first link is just a talkback. In other words, a reply of a person to the article. This is nor evidence nor a source. It can be written by anyone, including yourself or your friend. Please do not take the Wikipedia community for fools.

The second link is a bad URL. There is no website behind it. Again, are you taking us for fools?

Regarding your claim: "The Zionist billionaires' forum is an existing body. He just restarted his website, that is why you did not find it. I can assure you that he would not have written newspaper articles about him if he did not have an official website." You came up with this forum's story also last time. Nothing new, only this time you try to circumvent Wikipedia's guidelines. The person who wrote the article (in a pretty much unknown website in Israel) is himself, as mentioned earlier a person who is alleged to have purchased his degree. One dubious character writing about a scammer. Nothing more than that.

The 'endorsement' from Nissan Khachuri comes from your own website, which you probably wrote yourself. On the same token you can also write an endorsement from Barak Obama or Santa Klaus. Once again, you regard us as fools.

So you admit that the Los Angeles Univeristy' is not yet recognized, yet you deceitfully use it as a reference.

On the Facebook page of the 'university', on the 25th of February, the following is written: "LOS ANGELES UNIVERSITY WAS CHOSEN ONE OF THE 100 OPEN UNIVERSITIES IN THE WORLD" This totally contradict your excuses and clearly shows that you regard this made up institution as a university for at least 5 months already.

Did those 'ancient Chinese Jewish tribes' also teach you how to plagiarize books? Would you be kind enough to tell us where exactly they are located?

Regarding the youtube video of you talking, will get it translated just out of curiosity, but on the look of it – seem nothing much than you talking from your home or hotel somewhere. Can be done by anyone anywhere.

Thank you for the link of IsCham, but what relevance does it have to your Wikipedia profile? You are obviously not mentioned there, nor the organization you made up – 'Israel-Far East Chamber of Commerce'. Sorry to repeat it, but don't regard us as fools please.

But again, you are taking us for fools, as J-TV does not appear on the link you sent, which anyhow does not change the fact it is not even a ranked website.

Another lie is that Daniel Hasidim is regarding himself as a billionaire: "The Billionaires who agreed to be Forum members are: Daniel Hasidim…"

Dear Wikipedia community – it is now very clear that we are dealing with an immoral individual who is using our platform to perpetrate shams and in addition is regarding us all as fools. This profile shall be both deleted and never be permitted to be re-created. Weknowall1968 (talk) 21:55, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me sir, I'm not Daniel Hassidim. I do not refer to Wikipedia as stupid and I would appreciate, with all due respect, if you would not use such expressions and maintain a mature and serious discussion, please.

First, you probably do not know the labor laws in China.

To obtain a work permit in China, it is necessary to present a certificate of "no criminal record". If the police arrested the object of the article, there is no chance in the world that he would work in China, as you saw in the other sources.

In addition, you can find mention of the metter in this source: http://www.news1.co.il/Archive/003-D-116641-00.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 (talk • contribs) 23:36, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Second, I said that the university is in the process of being recognized. But I'm willing to accept the argument that the source should be removed.

Third, after your comments on the Israel-Far East Chamber of Commerce, I decided to change the caption accordingly. That's why it is not found.

Fourth, J-TV: The Global Jewish Channel is a very broad Jewish channel

See: Https://www.facebook.com/JTVTheGlobalJewishChannel/

Fifth, you're right about the list of billionaires. Hasidim is a registered member but not one of the billionaires. This will be corrected accordingly.

Sixth, I do not override regulations, I follow them.

The official website of the Zionist Billionaires Forum was added.

Thank you for your comments

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 (talk • contribs) 22:58, 15 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This is a promotional biography using dubious sources of an individual who fails WP:ACADEMIC. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 18:57, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The sources are not dubious! You are welcome to check. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 (talk • contribs) 19:20, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You are either Mr. Hasidim himself or his lackey. It is very obvious from the manner you are battling to maintain this page, even though it is beyond obvious that this is a hoax. Your responses are easily to debunk and you ignore important issues like:

- The articles written from a pretty unknown website by your fellow 'Dean of student affairs' in your fake university – who himself is discovered to have purchased his degree. Looks more like a happy customer and a fellow perpetrator to me. This is regarding references, who are as for the time of writing, are numbered 18 and 26 (Galily) and the link to News1 he shared a few lines above.

- You plagiarize books and present them as your own. Even if you take it down, it merely manifest that you made an attempt which failed. Could you please refer me to where those books can be purchased online?

- The Zionist Billionaires Forum: you put on a website overnight. Probably used some easy to create platform like WP or the like. And who is the main face we directly see on entering the website? The same face from the old amateurish youtube videos – Mr. Hasidim. Looks like a non-existent organization with an instantly made-up website whose main purpose is to promote Mr. Hasidim and give him legitimacy, which will is used to gain the confidence of some innocent victims.

- Regarding the law in China: China and Israel do not have a bilateral extradition agreement. This is probably why Mr. Hasidim went there. Please look at the attached link: http://www.takdin.co.il/searchg/%D7%AA%20%D7%A4%20%D7%AA%D7%9C%20%D7%90%D7%91%D7%99%D7%91%20%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%95%205504%2008%20%D7%9E%D7%93%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%AA%20%D7%99%D7%A9%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%9C%20%D7%A0%20%D7%93%D7%A8%D7%95%D7%A8%20%D7%97%D7%A1%D7%99%D7%93%D7%99%D7%9D%20_hd_2460929.html

I received the following translation of the part relating to accused number 1 – Mr. Hasidim:

"… considering that accused 1, which is claimed by all to be the main criminal, escaped the country".

The labour laws all over the world pretty much require to have no criminal records. However, there is no proof that you were working in China. Perhaps you have just been there on any other type of visa. And who knows for how long… there are so many lies here by you that nothing is reliable anymore.

Claiming to be in China for 8 years… do you speak Chinese?

Seem you have been there as a fugitive rather than anything else. The video of the 'MBA class' looks more like a teenager business English class.

Regarding your following argument: "Third, after your comments on the Israel-Far East Chamber of Commerce, I decided to change the caption accordingly. That's why it is not found." I do not understand what you are trying to say. Can you please explain yourself clearer? Or maybe no need to waste our time here. Like the sham university and many of your shenanigans, this just seem another failed attempt.

- The year of birth is still lied about. He/you was born in 1968.

- You sent a link claiming J-TV appears there. You didn't expect us to check, but we did. When mentioned - you just ignored the claim.

You attempt to rebuff what you think you can get away with, and just ignore other issues.

I invite all fellow editors to read my above raised questions throughout this tread, which are followed by Mr. Hasidim's/ his fellow's replies. You will see the unrelated nor unconvincing arguments on one hand, and on the other you will see him not referring to quite a few of the raised issues.

I do not see a reason why not to delete this sham profile sooner rather than later… Weknowall1968 (talk) 21:59, 16 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I repeat that I am not Daniel Hassidim. I'd appreciate it if you will stop calling me that. It's not a matter of admiration, it's a matter of professional honor. To say that I do not upload good values, that I am a fraud, that I am a liar. I certainly did not expect such a reference from Wikipedia editor.

Second, NEWS1 website is a very familiar site with millions of hits. Everything uploaded there is checked by the newspaper's editorial board for reliability and accuracy. They understand that if something is written wrong, then they can be responsible. I want to remind you that you too have brought sources from this site. So you can not say that some articles are okay and other articles are not.

Third, the University of Los Angeles is not a fake university, it is an online university. I do not use it as a source because it is not yet recognized.

If you do not know what an online university is, then I suggest you freshen up with knowledge:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kH-uYwt0qs

Fourthly, if I were to put up a site overnight , how did an article about it appered in NEWS1 a year ago? With a link to the site? Could I have turned back on a time machine and saw the article?

I repeat the fact - if Hasidim was arrested in Israel, he would not have been able to come to China. If you do not believe me, I invite you to ask someone who has issued a work permit in China.

You can not work without a work permit in China. Check the subject before you argue.

The reason there is no extradition agreement between Israel and China is because there is a law in Israel that says that a person should not be extradited directly to prison, but only for interrogation. The intention is to prevent a person from being extradited and imprisoned without a fair trial.

Fifth, Hassidim appears in the broadcast as head of the Israel Chamber of Commerce in China, but he does not appear on their website and therefore I changed accordingly.

Sixth, the year of his birth is 1970. 68 is the year of birth of his cousin. Please look at the sources.

Seventh, if you do not believe the video was filmed at Peking University, then why do not you check? Why do not you ask someone from this university?

Eighth, your argument about J-TV is incorrect. Much less common news sites are used as sources in Wikipedia.

Ninth, note that all the sources concerning the books are publications from a body unrelated to the Hasidim. He does not manage there and does not work there (J-TV).

A book does not have to be sold electronically, it can only be sold manually. This is the author's decision.

But I made sure not to bring a source from the subject of the page regarding his books (Wikipedia regulations)

All in all, the page meets the standard of Wikipedia's regulations. I'm sorry if you disagree.

I must insist that you do not use hypotheses.

Inquire before you claim claims

I use chinese students. I send them the sources by WeChat

Thank you for your comments

 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dani1587 (talk • contribs) 01:10, 17 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]