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Rainbow Housing Assistance Corporation

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Non-notable non-profit organizations that reads like an ad: it is excluded by both points of WP:N, as it fails WP:NOT since the article solely exists to promote the subject, and it also fails the general notability guideline. The sourcing that exists in the article is almost all from the org or a related website. Google News search reveals only connected sources (PR or org personnel interviews) or local coverage that typically doesn't rise to the level we expect for companies. All of these concerns make deletion the most appropriate response under policy. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:06, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 15:50, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arizona-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 15:50, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:02, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

• Keep Hello, I would like to address the concerns about the Rainbow Housing page, so that it is not deleted.
  First, the article does not solely exist to promote the subject, but rather provide factually correct information that has been published in credible sources. As mentioned in the entry, Rainbow Housing is a non-profit entity, so there is is not a commercial motivation behind this organization. The article avoids puffery and it is not written to read like an advertisement since it is not intended to “promote or sell a product, service or idea.”
  Second, in terms of notability guidelines, the article does include citations to reliable news sources that establish there has been significant coverage of the organization from multiple publications. While the organization’s website is used as a source of information, the 12 other outlets cited in the article provide factual details. The news articles used in the citation include content written by independent reporters. I added more citations and sources the the article today, 8/14/17.
  When conducting a google news search for “Rainbow Housing Assistance Corporation,” the first page of results does not yield any PR press releases. The search results include an article published by one of the U.S.’s largest daily major newspapers (Houston Chronicle), an online real-estate trade magazine (Commercial Property Executive), and an established national magazine (Affordable Housing Finance). In terms of Wikipedia’s policy on notability, I did not see any criteria related to what can be found in a Google News search. I do not see the connection between deleting a Wikipedia page based on your Google search, but please direct me to the appropriate Wikipedia guideline, since I found no mention of Google News Search in WP:N and WP:NOT.
  However, I do know that the notability guidelines state that “notability requires only the existence of suitable independent, reliable sources, not their immediate presence or citation in an article. Editors evaluating notability should consider not only any sources currently named in an article, but also the possibility or existence of notability-indicating sources that are not currently named in the article. Thus, before proposing or nominating an article for deletion, or offering an opinion based on notability in a deletion discussion, editors are strongly encouraged to attempt to find sources for the subject in question and consider the possibility of existent sources if none can be found by a search.”
  Perhaps notable news sources not already being used in citations can also be found outside of conducting only a Google News search. Since their is a concern for the sources currently being used, below is a brief overview of the outlets cited in the Wikipedia article. Upon reviewing these, it is clear that many of these citations come from trusted sources that are used for other published Wikipedia entries.
  • The Houston Chronicle “is the largest daily newspaper in Houston, Texas, United States. As of April 2016, it is the third-largest newspaper by Sunday circulation in the United States.” The Chronicle is also one of the largest newspapers in the state of Texas.
  • Affordable Housing Finance is a national magazine published by Hanley Wood, a real estate media firm that “is one of the ten largest business-to-business media companies in the United States, with the largest analytics and editorially driven Construction Industry Database of more than 2.5 billion records.”
  • Next City “is a national urban affairs magazine and non-profit organization based in Philadelphia.” (Next City Wikipedia page)
  • Arizona Business Magazine is the Arizona’s “leading monthly Business magazine. Published by AZ Big Media, the magazine covers a wide range of topics focusing on the Arizona business scene, and is aimed at high-level corporate executives and business owners.”
  • Bisnow Media is “a multi-platform digital media company that produces news and live events...covering 27 metropolitan markets across the U.S., Canada and the U.K. with a subscriber base of over 600,000, Bisnow is one of the largest producers of commercial real estate news and events.” (BisNow Wikipedia page)
  • Multi-Housing News is a real-estate magazine headquartered in New York that “became an online real estate magazine in July 2012.”
  • How Housing Matters is an online resource which conducts housing-related research projects. It was created by the Urban Institute, “a Washington D.C.-based think tank that carries out economic and social policy research.”
  • Shelterforce an independent, non-academic publication, that has been used as a citation in other Wikipedia pages, such as Gary Winkel and Susan Saegert.
  • In addition to large, established outlets, a number of smaller trade outlets are cited as well. They include the following. National Real-Estate Investor is a national magazine that had reported on real estate-related news for 50+ years. Commercial Property Executive is an online trade magazine with a focus on reporting about commercial real estate business across the U.S. Connect Media is an online commercial real estate news source.

Therefore, I do not think deletion is appropriate in this case. HannahVerg (talk) 22:27, 14 August 2017 (UTC)HannahVerg

• That is quite a lot to process, but I'll try: first, the Houston Chronicle mention is fairly trivial: a smaller part of the larger article and a quote from a staffer. Even if it was more substantial, it was in the paper's local section, which is not as valuable as coverage in regional or national sections. The Next City Source is an op-ed by an employee of the NGO (see WP:SPIP). Trade publications and business journals are rarely considered to be reliable sources sufficient for notability on Wikipedia: they tend to reprint press releases and whatever they are told by the organization in question, and that seems to be the case for most of the things here. The language in the article clearly shows a promotional intent and tone as well, so in addition to the the lack of sourcing available that meets our standards, it would be excluded by WP:NOTPROMO. TonyBallioni (talk) 22:51, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

• Note also, just noting for future readers HannahVerg has declared in compliance with the terms of use that she has been paid to edit this article. TonyBallioni (talk) 14:54, 15 August 2017 (UTC)
• Keep - Article content is neutral in tone and supported by credible news content from reliable trade and GCM media outlets with varied geographic reach. This article presents factual information regarding a valid non-profit organization. ctonih25
• Note I would like to clarify that I was not paid by this organization to create the article. I merely disclosed my employer to provide transparency on how I became aware of Rainbow Housing, not to declare that I was paid to edit this article. I will edit my talk page accordingly to avoid future confusion. I also edited the page to reduce "promotional intent and tone." In terms of trade publications, I could not find and Wikipedia policy stating that these types of publications are not credible. HannahVerg (talk) 20:29, 15 August 2017 (UTC)